Let's see your Herbrand!

[nz44tool]

Late to this party by a few years, but..here's a J-13 breaker bar I just acquired. I'm thinking 1940s; anyone have a better take?

 

[2001ZR2]

My meager contribution to this thread...a single 1/2" socket


Of enjoyed learning about Herbrand because this socket.

 

[d42jeep]

I was unable to determine the maker of this ratchet I found on Saturday until it came out of the evaporust yesterday.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I was unable to determine the maker of this ratchet I found on Saturday until it came out of the evaporust yesterday.

Another good testimonial for the Magic of E, but that slider is a pretty good tell (the only other ratchet I have or have seen with that style is a MAC, and that was made by Herbrand), and the AISI "New Emergency" steel number is a dead giveaway. With the combination of the wartime steel number and the older script branding (as you know they eventually went to simple block lettering), I would say very early war. Nice find.

 

[d42jeep]

Thanks.
This 3/8“ drive universal came from the same sale.
-Don

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand 31003 3/8" drive x 3 inch Extension
Herbrand 31006 3/8" drive x 6 inch Extension

Both manufactured by Herbrand, Triangle Division, Orangeburg, South Carolina U.S.A.

 

[nz44tool]

Here's a recent find that seems to have a Herbrand connection. As referred to in an earlier post, Alloy Artifacts has a section on tools with this "CFT" logo. CFT were the initials of the son of Herbrand's founder, Creighton Fuller Thompson, who would eventually become president of the company.
AA dates these CFT tools from the late 1910s to the mid '20s, but this one suggests a much longer time period, since automatic transmissions with "bands" didn't appear until the late '30s, AFAIK.
The "band" end of the wrench is 3/4"; the "gasoline line" end is 5/8".
Anyone else have a later CFT tool like this?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice find. There are a couple CFT pliers on the thread, including mine and @leg17 's, but I have always thought of them as early. I think early manual transmissions with early planetary gearsets for a few forward speeds, neutral and reverse also had “brake bands”. I don't know if they needed adjusting. Someone who has worked on a Ford Model T will be along to confirm or not. I could be very wrong.

 

[nz44tool]

Nice find. There are a couple CFT pliers on the thread, including mine and @leg17 's, but I have always thought of them as early. I think early manual transmissions with early planetary gearsets for a few forward speeds, neutral and reverse also had “brake bands”. I don't know if they needed adjusting. Someone who has worked on a Ford Model T will be along to confirm or not. I could be very wrong.

Thanks for the reply - I'm also wondering why the gas line needed the attention of a dedicated wrench!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Google Books search on "Ford transmission band" produces dozens of hits in trade mags as early as 1917 and into the 1920's. Ostensibly, the wrench would be for removing it to reline (they were cork or cotton etc). Link here.

 

[nz44tool]

Google Books search on "Ford transmission band" produces dozens of hits in trade mags as early as 1917 and into the 1920's. Ostensibly, the wrench would be for removing it to reline (they were cork or cotton etc). Link here.

Fine detective work! I didn't think those early manual transmissions were that sophisticated. So this wrench might well be from the years mentioned by AA.
It also appears the "gas line" end could have used on either the gasoline line or the acetylene gas line for the lights! (Although it does say "gasoline line.)

 

[RTM]

I'm also wondering why the gas line needed the attention of a dedicated wrench!

Possibly to change the filter often due to the poor quality of both gas and filters?

 

[nz44tool]

Possibly to change the filter often due to the poor quality of both gas and filters?

Thanks - yes, makes a lot of sense.

 

[2001ZR2]

When I posted my other Herbrand socket I forgot about this 1/2 drive 7/8" socket. I had misidentified it as a spark plug socket.

 

[Ayrhead]

A Herbrand 2200 shock absorber tool.

 

[JeffreyG]

Bought two vintage toolbox stacks including tools. Still cleaning and organizing, but found a pretty complete set of combination wrenches. Long and short. Looking up the name brought me here…

 

[nz44tool]

Wow! Quite a find!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

...a pretty complete set of combination wrenches.

The script logo and 'VAN CHROME' branding are deceptive, harkening back to the early days, but that style combo wrench with the hex gullet and full polish finish are from the 1960's. Apparently made during the transition from Kelsey-Hayes to Triangle ownership. You can see a small triangle symbol on a few of them.

 

[JeffreyG]

The script logo and 'VAN CHROME' branding are deceptive, harkening back to the early days, but that style combo wrench with the hex gullet and full polish finish are from the 1960's. Apparently made during the transition from Kelsey-Hayes to Triangle ownership. You can see a small triangle symbol on a few of them.

Makes sense. The toolboxes they came in were from 67 and 72 I believe, so most of the tools are probably about that vintage. Thanks.

 

[Mark914]

What’s the difference between the “script “ and the block letters ?? Years made ? Thanks!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Those are earlier script versions. They brought it back later

 

[JeffreyG]

I was unable to determine the maker of this ratchet I found on Saturday until it came out of the evaporust yesterday.
-Don

I would have guessed a bath in water/evaporust would not be a good idea for a ratchet that can’t be neutralized and dried off inside. Is this considered safe?

 

[JeffreyG]

Here’s my only 3/4” ratchet that I have had for many years thinking it was unmarked, except for the obvious ON OFF on the head with the removable drive piece. Looks old as hell, but as my only 3/4” drive ratchet, it is put to very occasional use. Very surprised when I noticed today it is marked, “HERBRAND MADE IN U.S.A. VAN-CHROME No. H-10” about half way around the handle. Anyone know the date on this one?

 

[Ayrhead]

I would have guessed a bath in water/evaporust would not be a good idea for a ratchet that can’t be neutralized and dried off inside. Is this considered safe?

It cleaned up really nice.

 

[d42jeep]

I would have guessed a bath in water/evaporust would not be a good idea for a ratchet that can’t be neutralized and dried off inside. Is this considered safe?

After a thorough water rinse I saturated it with WD40. It works really nicely.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

Here are my Herbrand ratchets together.
-Don

 

[nz44tool]

Here's a nice Herbrand double offset box I picked up a while ago.

 

[3baygarage]

Herbrand 177 Terminal Lifter

It’s at least the 4th labeling/script variation of the 177 within the forum!

Van Chrome
Cursive Fremont logo

 

[Etchase]

Triangle Herbrand 3/8 set 01310. The plug socket is labeled USA, but nothing else has a country of origin marking. 5/8 and larger are 12 point sockets. Small sockets are 6 point with off corner loading. Wood grain box.

 

[four.cycle]

255 Herbrand Chrysler Center Plane Adjusting Wrench

835 Herbrand Steering Wheel Puller

186 Herbrand Horseshoe Lock Ring Pliers

270 Herbrand Brake Bleeder Wrench 1/4" x 3/8" w/vented sockets

 

[MR.X]

Today from local flea. Interesting seeing the original finish on these.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Today from local flea.

Okay, now that is the kind of find that will make me break out my 2019 PotY Award and set it to...

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Love how plush the felt lining is. The pouch is unusual. The pouches in all the catalogs I checked between 1933 and 1952 have the branding on the inside, over the pockets, with the little triangular corner tab on the flap, as in this excerpt below. (I like yours on the outside flap better, even though, as on some of my wrench sets, it's wearing.)

 

[MR.X]

Seller who is not a tool guy but always has interesting estate sale type stuff threw in the early, almost mint double box wrench for free "here take this too, nobody is gonna buy it". Also, seems to have been an all Ohio pick as the tire repair tool is Goodrich (Akron) and the chisel is early Cornwell ( Mogadore, hell, maybe Cuyahoga Falls).

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I found another "Obstructo" today at the flea market. An 1825 (1/2").



My last "Obstructo" (an 1831) was found in 2021. If only to demonstrate the agonizing life of the collector who prefers hunting in the wild and snagging them onesy-twosy at a time, this one is a dupe. On the positive side, it's in much, much better condition that the other one. It's also wartime, with wartime branding (plain jane blocky font die) and a wartime New Emergency steel (AISI "8642") number on the flip side shank.



...whereas the other one is a "VAN CHROME" with prewar markings. In a partial motley set of prewar and wartime examples, that gives me some options for matching as I continue to try to complete this set in the future.

Earlier post with catalog cut and more details here...

Let's see your Herbrand!

Another Herbrand in my drawer thanks to the generosity of one of our fellow GJ members. Many thanks, my friend. And, wouldn't you know it, Herbrand is trending on the forum. This thing is in near mint condition. A 3/8" drive ratcheting adapter. I don't know how common this type of mechanism is...

www.garagejournal.com

 

[d42jeep]

I was happy to find this crusty bodywork hammer at yesterday’s estate sale. It took some cleaning to determine that it was a Herbrand product.
-Don
As found.
Cleaned up. I’ll do a bit more sanding on the handle and treat it with BLO.

 

[nz44tool]

Good day at the flea mkt today.
Herbrand No. 272 Steeldraulic pliers, first one I've seen live.
(...also a pair of Winchester lineman's pliers - no model # visible.)

 

[What_dont_you_want]

Couple Van Herbrand water pump pliers, the one has an interesting marking.

I have been told that the Forged Steel USA in a triangle is a Harrold's. What do you think?

 

[four.cycle]

^ I think from @LesserSon's comments earlier today in the other thread that the jury's out on this one. I have/had a pair similar to those and we never did really determine who made them. Harrold? Herbrand?

 

[Steven 33]

Starting to wonder if there's a husky connection