Let's see your vintage drill bit indices
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Beerhippie
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Phaw! Those actually work well and rarely break in use--not what I'd call a "screw extractor"!That's a great idea. Here is a die cast extractor index with matching drills:
d42jeep
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Ridgid made those for Snap-on. I have a set in my WW2 Navy NAF box.
-Don
-Dond42jeep
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Here is your Ridgid set shown in the 1944 Navy NAF catalog.That's a great idea. Here is a die cast extractor index with matching drills:
-Don
Dave455
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These British made drill stands were manufactured by Fry’s (London) Ltd, and sold under a number of names (including most of the drill bit manufacturers) as well as Fry’s own “Enox” brand.
Most of these are very heavily constructed, but occasionally they turn up in a light alloy.
The “Enox” branding dates the lower one to pre 1970, when Fry’s were bought out.
Astonishingly, drill stands in some of Fry’s patterns are still available today. Considering many of the patterns date back to the 1920’s, that’s not bad!
Most of these are very heavily constructed, but occasionally they turn up in a light alloy.
The “Enox” branding dates the lower one to pre 1970, when Fry’s were bought out.
Astonishingly, drill stands in some of Fry’s patterns are still available today. Considering many of the patterns date back to the 1920’s, that’s not bad!
Beerhippie
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"Do not dismantle work unless necessary." What kind of advice is that? Aren't they trying to sell tools?
Outlawmws
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I suspect it means use the extractor "in situ", if you can. say an exhaust manifold stud or bolt busted off. leave it there and drill and extract.
But in any case its good general advice. so many people "fix until broken" (like the guys on CCF that insist on removing perfectly good working Check Valves and tear them up. I gave up on that argument.)
RTM
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I take it to mean leave the exhaust manifold in place to help serve as a guide for the drill and extractor, which could be what outlaw is saying too.
Beerhippie
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I resemble that remark! I take out and clean every one of them--but I also have the right tool, so I don't tear anything up.
I'd think that would be more along the lines of those here who are always asking how to remove a perfectly good nut from a vise.
Outlawmws
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That too... or the jaws.
senlow
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Well, at least I don't remove the cast in place jaws on my vises. . . yet.
Oregon rock crusher
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Here is one I don't think I've seen before that I picked up at a local swap meet yesterday. General tool company of Portland Oregon. A light, die cast top with a thin steel bottom. A 3 tier holder for number and fractional drills. I do see there is a General tool and supply co in Portland. Ed.
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Private Lugnutz
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You know this was the new name for the retail arm of P&C Tools after Ned Body left P&C in a huff to form Thorsen in 1929, right? General Tool Company sold P&C tools but also tools from other mfgrs.
Almost certainly some kind of successor. It survived up through 2009 at least and they had a couple of splinter sites in Boise and Arizona named General Tool & Supply. I don't know when the name changed but I would suspect based on its style and type that yours is early.
Oregon rock crusher
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Good information as usual Lugz. Thank you for that. If I ever had heard that story of the P&C connection to General tool company I have forgotten it. I never was that strong at remembering history. I do have a few old Portland area supplier catalogs to search through now. P&C is well represented in at least one of them. Ed.
Private Lugnutz
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It's a nice find, and even nicer with that connection.
crguy
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I have a General Tool full line catalog from 1964.
Oregon rock crusher
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Thats pretty cool crguy. I didn't find the drill stand in any of the old cats I checked. I though my Haseltine 38 from Portland might have had something in it but no luck. Anything in your 64 catalog?
Provincial
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In their 1939 catalog, General Tool listed drill bits by Greenfield Tool and Die. They are shown in a folding steel index with the GTD logo on it. Perhaps GTD had a drill stand that was similar?
In my 1957 catalog, they had gone to Hout for drill storage.
In my 1957 catalog, they had gone to Hout for drill storage.
Oregon rock crusher
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Thanks for checking Jock. I looked through the old, 30's - 40's large regional supplier catalogs I have here from Seattle, LA, Salt Lake, and Portland but didn't turn anything similar up yet. I did see quite a few drill stands from the usual makers though. ed.
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Oregon rock crusher
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Sounds like a lot of what I've seen so far crguy. Thanks for checking. This particular stand doesn't look to be an easy find in the cats. Ed.
RTM
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Looks like two brothers are already in this thread. Yours seems to be the only Pat Pend
Davefr from Task-Aid from Portland
Drill bit and tap storage
Just recently upgraded to a floor standing drill press and i find myself needing a way to organize bits and taps near the press. What have you done in your shop?
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crguy from Knight Mfg from Gresham
Let's see your vintage drill bit indices
Here's one you don't see every day, made by Morse for taper shank drills. I don't normally refinish stuff, but this one had been in a fire and it's scarce enough I might not find another.
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Seems like possibly licensed out in the 'hood. Looking deeper soon
Oregon rock crusher
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Good job finding those in this thread RTM. I was limiting my search too 'General' and coming up empty. Looks like these wedding cake type stands were branded a few different ways but all so far to NW Oregon company names. Thanks for that. More key words to Google. Ed.
IMHO those are the most useful drill indices ever made. They store #1 -#60 and 1/16 - 1/2". The footprint is small and they rotate. I'm surprised they're no longer made. They are just so useful.Looks like two brothers are already in this thread. Yours seems to be the only Pat Pend
Davefr from Task-Aid from Portland
Drill bit and tap storage
Just recently upgraded to a floor standing drill press and i find myself needing a way to organize bits and taps near the press. What have you done in your shop?
crguy from Knight Mfg from Gresham
Let's see your vintage drill bit indices
Here's one you don't see every day, made by Morse for taper shank drills. I don't normally refinish stuff, but this one had been in a fire and it's scarce enough I might not find another.
Seems like possibly licensed out in the 'hood. Looking deeper soon
RTM
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Just a reference here for future digging. Finding lots of them at USPTO with this term setLooks like two brothers are already in this thread. Yours seems to be the only Pat Pend
Davefr from Task-Aid from Portland
Drill bit and tap storage
Just recently upgraded to a floor standing drill press and i find myself needing a way to organize bits and taps near the press. What have you done in your shop?
crguy from Knight Mfg from Gresham
Let's see your vintage drill bit indices
Here's one you don't see every day, made by Morse for taper shank drills. I don't normally refinish stuff, but this one had been in a fire and it's scarce enough I might not find another.
Seems like possibly licensed out in the 'hood. Looking deeper soon
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Can't check how many of these are at DATAMP currently)
I started digging from Lug'z post here
Let's see your vintage drill bit indices
Here's another Cleveland #5. I cleaned it up and finished it on a sander with a 3M scotchbrite type belt. Sharpied the raised numbers to give my old eyes a break reading them. I didn't buy this because it's cool or vintage, I bought it beacause it's well thought out. The racetrack design lets...
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Outlawmws
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I'd epoxy a "bridge" underneath so dills in that position don't fall through, and call it good.
Are they "Tween" sizes, or for spares of commonly used/broken drills?
Are they "Tween" sizes, or for spares of commonly used/broken drills?
This is the index I got out of my grandfather's tools. It has numbered (and sized?) bits. I'm guessing this is from the 1960s given when he worked as a machinist.
There are several missing bits. I'm not sure how many of the smallest bits are original to the set because I didn't see any numbers on them. I didn't see a lot about this brand (Continental from Chicago) in my searches, but I did find this ad from 1955.
There are several missing bits. I'm not sure how many of the smallest bits are original to the set because I didn't see any numbers on them. I didn't see a lot about this brand (Continental from Chicago) in my searches, but I did find this ad from 1955.
RTM
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INSP380
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Been using this Huot for my Watch tools, but it’s a beautiful drill cabinet / index..
Steve
Steve
d42jeep
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It’s nice that you have your Grandfather’s index. I have a couple of Continental indecies, one painted green by a previous owner and another residing in my Gerstner box.This is the index I got out of my grandfather's tools. It has numbered (and sized?) bits. I'm guessing this is from the 1960s given when he worked as a machinist.
There are several missing bits. I'm not sure how many of the smallest bits are original to the set because I didn't see any numbers on them. I didn't see a lot about this brand (Continental from Chicago) in my searches, but I did find this ad from 1955.
-Don
Beerhippie
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Here's a new-to-me genuine W. Germany index:
I took out all the bits that were in it, replaced all from 3/8" down with some half-decent cobalt alloy bits and then filled the rest with either bits that were in the index--after checking the size with calipers--or from my drawer full of jobber's bits.
It's now completely full. I put most of the bits in point-down, as it allows the chewed-up shafts (keyless chucks on hand drills) to fit.
Not necessarily vintage, but at least thirty-five years new.
I took out all the bits that were in it, replaced all from 3/8" down with some half-decent cobalt alloy bits and then filled the rest with either bits that were in the index--after checking the size with calipers--or from my drawer full of jobber's bits.
It's now completely full. I put most of the bits in point-down, as it allows the chewed-up shafts (keyless chucks on hand drills) to fit.
Not necessarily vintage, but at least thirty-five years new.
Private Lugnutz
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Picked this up at the flea this morning. Not vintage, but I couldn't resist.
It's an ingenious design. Just a cylinder of resin or silicone perhaps, recessed for the lid, with holes drilled in it for bits, for the bolt, and for the spring-loaded ball, which, as you can see, has a circle of depressions to seat and roll and seat etc in as the lid is turned to select the bit (#61 to #80).
It's an ingenious design. Just a cylinder of resin or silicone perhaps, recessed for the lid, with holes drilled in it for bits, for the bolt, and for the spring-loaded ball, which, as you can see, has a circle of depressions to seat and roll and seat etc in as the lid is turned to select the bit (#61 to #80).
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crguy
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That type of bit storage has been around for well over 100 years.Picked this up at the flea this morning. Not vintage, but I couldn't resist.
It's an ingenious design. Just a cylinder of resin or silicone perhaps, recessed for the lid, with holes drilled in it for bits, for the bolt, and for the spring-loaded ball, which, as you can see, has a circle of depressions to seat and roll and seat etc in as the lid is turned to select the bit (#61 to #80).
Private Lugnutz
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I have a circular dispenser from Ace Hardware that contains drill bits in the top and magnetic screwdriver bits in the bottom. It's at least 20 years old and no longer in production, but I hesitate to post a photo here because it ain't vintage like the others.Here's a photo of the little unbranded resin salt shaker and its wood-and-brass Morse grandaddy (#1-#60), found in the wild at the same flea market last March and posted upthread here, if anyone is interested in seeing more info, the patent, trade mag articles, etc.
Patrickm82
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Grabbed these 2 from a yard sale yesterday. An un-marked salt shaker style and a Standard Tool no. 5 1/2 box no bits. The index was in the box but not a match. The 1/4” hole is blown out on the bottom. A dowel will fix it right up!
Firebrick43
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Definitely made by a tool maker, other than not using a jig for stamping the numbers a good toolmaker at that.Picked this up at the flea this morning. Not vintage, but I couldn't resist.
It's an ingenious design. Just a cylinder of resin or silicone perhaps, recessed for the lid, with holes drilled in it for bits, for the bolt, and for the spring-loaded ball, which, as you can see, has a circle of depressions to seat and roll and seat etc in as the lid is turned to select the bit (#61 to #80).
Private Lugnutz
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Interesting.
Oh, you noticed the drunken sailor numbers, eh?
Concur, though. I was intrigued with the choice of material and, while adopting the basic elements of the classic rotary index, not the same mechanism.Here are some photos of my antique Morse, which countersunk the spring in the bottom with a split-screw.
