Above 1200 Sq/FT LilScorpion’s Fab Space
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
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FHA is guys, appreciate the compliments. Truely.
Since I’m feeling behind I’m going to attempt to maenorigress each night this week. 2-3 hours if I can manage. Tonight I decided to sort out getting the lower read duct into the oven cavity. But first, I cleaned up around the shop. Put away tools and decided to clean out the chip bin below the dry/cold saw.
This is the first time since I made the cart and I’ve been impressed at how well it does collecting the chips. After cutting a bit I do have a little to sweep but barely any considering how the saw throws chips.
Filled one dust pan full.
On with the oven…First step, unfortunately, was to fix a mistake I made end of night last night. The part was a little long so I trimmed it a little short.
Easiest way to fix was to re-cut the part. If I’m gonna make another one, might as well make it better. Cutting and forming was easy (remember it was too long). Made the marks and narrower to close the gap.
Hand trimming is easier than messing with adjusting the model. Got the length right and chose to overlap the back with a flap to add strength.
Now to cut it in.
I had already figured out where I wanted the predict to sit last. Ight so I marked the general location near the bottom to match.
The dust has two parts - inner C and a cap that I’ll add when finished. This allows me to get inside in the future if I need to. Little lesson I learned from the big oven.
After measuring inside and out I marked the outside and drilled the edges.
Cut from the outside first.
Since I’m feeling behind I’m going to attempt to maenorigress each night this week. 2-3 hours if I can manage. Tonight I decided to sort out getting the lower read duct into the oven cavity. But first, I cleaned up around the shop. Put away tools and decided to clean out the chip bin below the dry/cold saw.
This is the first time since I made the cart and I’ve been impressed at how well it does collecting the chips. After cutting a bit I do have a little to sweep but barely any considering how the saw throws chips.
Filled one dust pan full.
On with the oven…First step, unfortunately, was to fix a mistake I made end of night last night. The part was a little long so I trimmed it a little short.
Easiest way to fix was to re-cut the part. If I’m gonna make another one, might as well make it better. Cutting and forming was easy (remember it was too long). Made the marks and narrower to close the gap.
Hand trimming is easier than messing with adjusting the model. Got the length right and chose to overlap the back with a flap to add strength.
Now to cut it in.
I had already figured out where I wanted the predict to sit last. Ight so I marked the general location near the bottom to match.
The dust has two parts - inner C and a cap that I’ll add when finished. This allows me to get inside in the future if I need to. Little lesson I learned from the big oven.
After measuring inside and out I marked the outside and drilled the edges.
Cut from the outside first.
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Took a little while but decided slow was fast and crept up on the final dimensions.
My large gooseneck die could just barely make the 2.25” x 3” flang at the bottom and it turned out it was barely enough to get inside the oven. Maybe a 1/4” inside if I’m lucky. (Sorry, not a great pic). Now I’ll need to be creative on how I add the inner flange or bezel.
This is where I’ll leave off tonight. I’m very close. Sort the bezel and get it attached. The. Insulation.
My large gooseneck die could just barely make the 2.25” x 3” flang at the bottom and it turned out it was barely enough to get inside the oven. Maybe a 1/4” inside if I’m lucky. (Sorry, not a great pic). Now I’ll need to be creative on how I add the inner flange or bezel.
This is where I’ll leave off tonight. I’m very close. Sort the bezel and get it attached. The. Insulation.
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Man I’ve been trying to work through this thread for a week now lol. Holy cow.
I don’t know what you do for work or what you are planing to do in this shop other than build the shop but dang is it fun to watch!
I don’t know what you do for work or what you are planing to do in this shop other than build the shop but dang is it fun to watch!
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My shop is my happy place.
Im in tech but happen to have a background in the trades,” with a few of them being metal fab/machining. Simply put, the machines I have in my home shop now are smaller (and more advanced) versions of machines I had 20 years ago which then used professionally to make money.
Though most of my recent projects are specific to working on and builds the shop, that’s really just a moment in time - two years ago my wife and I bought (ideally) our last home that had an attached dream shop. All of the posts since then have been getting it set up while fixing the house up in parallel.
Once I get thru moving it, you’ll see my projects drift back more towards my interests - I like automotive performance (on/offroad), improving shop storage and efficiencies, evolving my shop capabilities in general, and household improvements. Most projects will fit in one or more of these categories. In all cases, I’d rather build it than buy it.
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Sometimes I’m not sure if it’s more fun building the project or building the tools to build the project lol. Looks like I’ve found some like minded people
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It’s a curse I tell ‘ya. But it’s a wonderful one. Welcome.
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Quick project at lunch today. I’ve shared before but figure it’s worth sharing again - drill chuck hack.
I have a mag drill that I wanted to have chuck for. Specifically it’s a HMD904.
The chuck adapter they offer for it has a 5/8-16 mount/thread. They also offer a chuck for $80
I’m kinda a Chuck snob. I’d prefer to get a name brand if I can and usually better quality for less. I found this posting on EBay for Jacobs 3B chucks @ $40 a piece shipped.
These are new old stock chucks.
Bought 2 of them for $80 on eBay shipped. They arrived in about a week and as anticipated, assembly grease had dried out and they both were difficult to open. No matter, got out my chuck fixtures to pull them apart.
Remove the half nuts
One at a time I remove the jaws, clean them, and reinstall with some white lithium grease,
Slip the shell back on
And press it back together
Like butter
Have two brand new Jacob’s chucks for the same price as one import no-name off of Amazon.
I have a mag drill that I wanted to have chuck for. Specifically it’s a HMD904.
The chuck adapter they offer for it has a 5/8-16 mount/thread. They also offer a chuck for $80
I’m kinda a Chuck snob. I’d prefer to get a name brand if I can and usually better quality for less. I found this posting on EBay for Jacobs 3B chucks @ $40 a piece shipped.
These are new old stock chucks.
Bought 2 of them for $80 on eBay shipped. They arrived in about a week and as anticipated, assembly grease had dried out and they both were difficult to open. No matter, got out my chuck fixtures to pull them apart.
Remove the half nuts
One at a time I remove the jaws, clean them, and reinstall with some white lithium grease,
Slip the shell back on
And press it back together
Like butter
Have two brand new Jacob’s chucks for the same price as one import no-name off of Amazon.
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Mount it on the arbor with a little blue loctite and they’re ready for their first project.
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Crackin away on the oven tonight. Started by making the duct vent for the inside. This is a change of plans. Could t figure out how to get the first version sealed after installing so I decided it was much easier to make it all one welded assembly. This piece is made out of cold finish steel so I can weld it (galvanized is not healthy to weld of course).
This vent had to be had trimmed to fit the odd shape of the wall of the oven. Managed to get the 14ga assembly fully welded without distorting it too.
Final fit, pretty good.
Needed to remove the beginning of the galvanized one from the other night. Easy stuff, just drilled out the rivets.
Now clamp the new one in place and match drill the rivet holes to match.
Now to get it installed I need to inset the vent from the inside and then be able to install the rivets on the side facing the back of the oven. Wasn’t a brilliant idea to have them there but there’s an easy fix. Cut the back skin
Remove the insulation
Cut the end of the duct off so I can fit the rivet fun over the top of it into the hole and I have just barely enough room to get the rivet gun in there and install the rivets.
And my hands just barely have enough room to get the high temp duct tape over it.
This vent had to be had trimmed to fit the odd shape of the wall of the oven. Managed to get the 14ga assembly fully welded without distorting it too.
Final fit, pretty good.
Needed to remove the beginning of the galvanized one from the other night. Easy stuff, just drilled out the rivets.
Now clamp the new one in place and match drill the rivet holes to match.
Now to get it installed I need to inset the vent from the inside and then be able to install the rivets on the side facing the back of the oven. Wasn’t a brilliant idea to have them there but there’s an easy fix. Cut the back skin
Remove the insulation
Cut the end of the duct off so I can fit the rivet fun over the top of it into the hole and I have just barely enough room to get the rivet gun in there and install the rivets.
And my hands just barely have enough room to get the high temp duct tape over it.
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Well, this morning, before I got started, I realized that I made a mistake. For whatever reason I decided to check and see what the max temp of the aluminum tape was and found out it’s 280 degrees. Since the oven will regularly run at 400,
It’s not going to work. So first thing. I spent a couple hours back tracking enough to remove all the tape. Then I got out the refactory cement I purchased for fixing my high temp silicone mistake on the big oven. Took the lid off and it was the consistency of dry clay.
I spent the next couple hours working the cement until I had it back to the correct consistency. What a waste of time.
Gave the upper duct a coat
When it dries it will be hard and completely cured. I was surprised at how easy it filled voids…but it’s ugly.
While they’re drying, i focused on getting the top in place so I can get a final measurement on length for the rear duct. Steel top will get hot with the oven air traveling thru the fan housing that’s bolted to it. In order to keep the heat away from the wood I’m installing an 1/8” high temp silicone sheet between it and the steel top. First trimmed it to match with a razor blade.
Now to insulate around the duct that goes up thru the cavity. I’ll use some left over 12” parts I didn’t end up using on the big oven.
Filled it with 2000 degree insulation.
And sealed it up.
Then sealed up the 4” duct that connects the inside to the top.
I’ll use some silicone to seal the blower to the duct flange so I trimmed a piece to match the profile of the blower cage.
It’s not going to work. So first thing. I spent a couple hours back tracking enough to remove all the tape. Then I got out the refactory cement I purchased for fixing my high temp silicone mistake on the big oven. Took the lid off and it was the consistency of dry clay.
I spent the next couple hours working the cement until I had it back to the correct consistency. What a waste of time.
Gave the upper duct a coat
When it dries it will be hard and completely cured. I was surprised at how easy it filled voids…but it’s ugly.
While they’re drying, i focused on getting the top in place so I can get a final measurement on length for the rear duct. Steel top will get hot with the oven air traveling thru the fan housing that’s bolted to it. In order to keep the heat away from the wood I’m installing an 1/8” high temp silicone sheet between it and the steel top. First trimmed it to match with a razor blade.
Now to insulate around the duct that goes up thru the cavity. I’ll use some left over 12” parts I didn’t end up using on the big oven.
Filled it with 2000 degree insulation.
And sealed it up.
Then sealed up the 4” duct that connects the inside to the top.
I’ll use some silicone to seal the blower to the duct flange so I trimmed a piece to match the profile of the blower cage.
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Used a leather punch to make the bolt holes
With the blower motor bolted in place, this is the view from the inside of the oven.
The ducts will get equally hot so I need to make a heat shield for them as well.
And now I can set everything in place to get a final measurement for the rear duct.
I’m long by about 7/16”
With the upper duct in place I can now seal up the rear.
Was able to get all the rivets in the inside but the side of the cabinet was blocking the other side. I decided that I’d screw my track to the side of the cabinet and cut an access panel with my track saw.
Had a really hard time hacking the cabinet but there was no other easier way.
Finalized up all the rivets and reattached the side. Doesn’t look terrible.
Now on to insulation. Each side of the duct will have 4” wide by 4” deep 2000 degree insulation.
With the blower motor bolted in place, this is the view from the inside of the oven.
The ducts will get equally hot so I need to make a heat shield for them as well.
And now I can set everything in place to get a final measurement for the rear duct.
I’m long by about 7/16”
With the upper duct in place I can now seal up the rear.
Was able to get all the rivets in the inside but the side of the cabinet was blocking the other side. I decided that I’d screw my track to the side of the cabinet and cut an access panel with my track saw.
Had a really hard time hacking the cabinet but there was no other easier way.
Finalized up all the rivets and reattached the side. Doesn’t look terrible.
Now on to insulation. Each side of the duct will have 4” wide by 4” deep 2000 degree insulation.
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One layer of insulation goes over the duct and then I install the cover panel
Did the same for the lower half. Finished much nicer than i had anticipated.
Time now to test the control panel. This will be the first time powering it up. So far so good.
Light works great and so did the fan.
And turned on the elements. It heated up extremely quickly which is good. At full temp the back steel covers over the ducts were cold. The upper duct got hot because it’s not yet insulated. Ill save that for another day. I’d call this one a success.
Did the same for the lower half. Finished much nicer than i had anticipated.
Time now to test the control panel. This will be the first time powering it up. So far so good.
Light works great and so did the fan.
And turned on the elements. It heated up extremely quickly which is good. At full temp the back steel covers over the ducts were cold. The upper duct got hot because it’s not yet insulated. Ill save that for another day. I’d call this one a success.
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Man put the racks back in and you’re set for one hell of a pizza party lol. That oven is impressive!
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Could be a really killer pizza oven if I’d never even once powder coated in it. Once you go down the path it can never cook food again.
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Nothing super fancy tonight, decided to cut in one of the wall panels that has to go around an outlet and conduit. Fiddle-fitting took me about an hour.
Ultimately I’ll cut a surround to hide the imperfections but that’ll be for another day. I had two more to cut in and the main wall in the shop will be ready for powder coating (which was what I needed the triple oven working for in lieu of the big oven being done). Always complicated it seems.
Ultimately I’ll cut a surround to hide the imperfections but that’ll be for another day. I had two more to cut in and the main wall in the shop will be ready for powder coating (which was what I needed the triple oven working for in lieu of the big oven being done). Always complicated it seems.
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That last picture really shows the value of under cabinet lighting in a shop setting.
100% agree. @lilscorpion what did you use for under cabinet lighting? LED strip?
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Yes, 98CRI 5000k strips from SuperBrightLED.com. Under cabinet lights make all of the difference in the shop especially with older eyes.
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Wrapped up the triple oven upgrade. Made a diffuser for the bottom of the oven to try to help more evenly distribute the return duct air. The air returns on the back left corner so there’s less holes there (1:3) then blends into 2:1, and finally 1:1.
the rear element was gave too much direct heat to parts so I added that is designed to allow the convection fans to pull air from the oven chamber and mix it with air behind it in the cavity.
I made it in two pieces to make it easier to brake and install.
Install wasn’t too bad. Stand offs got riveted to the back wall of the oven and then the were riveted to the stand-offs. The stand offs allow the metal to move a bit as it heats and cools. I heated the oven five times to 400 letting it sit at 400 for 20 minutes and then let it cool to burn off any of the oils and other contaminates.
Testing on a real part, why not. This is a floating nightstand mount.
The interior of then oven is much more consistent temp-wise, the coating flowed out at almost the same time top and bottom (top being just a little behind). So much better than before.
Part turned out nice.
the rear element was gave too much direct heat to parts so I added that is designed to allow the convection fans to pull air from the oven chamber and mix it with air behind it in the cavity.
I made it in two pieces to make it easier to brake and install.
Install wasn’t too bad. Stand offs got riveted to the back wall of the oven and then the were riveted to the stand-offs. The stand offs allow the metal to move a bit as it heats and cools. I heated the oven five times to 400 letting it sit at 400 for 20 minutes and then let it cool to burn off any of the oils and other contaminates.
Testing on a real part, why not. This is a floating nightstand mount.
The interior of then oven is much more consistent temp-wise, the coating flowed out at almost the same time top and bottom (top being just a little behind). So much better than before.
Part turned out nice.
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Outstanding work on the oven!
rmack898
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I was waiting to see what you were going to do around that box and conduit, that will look great when you get it coated.
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Thanks, I’m hoping so. Fitting these panels around the conduit is stupid. I should have just cut the drywall and put the electrical in the wall.
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Not much of an update fab-wise this last weekend. I more or less spent most of it powder coating the drawer pulls in the shop and didn’t get half done. The process is slow - remove, sand blast, coat, and reinstall.
The oven is working extremely well, maybe better than I’d hoped. Previously the temp inconsistency from top to bottom was significant. Now the part flashes/gels at about the same time. Even better, the temp sensor is reading almost the same as the part. I’ve found that setting the temp to the desired is nearly spot on.
Once the oven is at temp, it recovers nicely as well. The extra 14ga metal shields and diffusers internally help considerably in that regard. I completed 26 pulls about 3 at a time and have 50-ish to go.
The color is slightly darker than the pulls when raw steel and give a nice preview of what the wall panels will look like when coated as well.
The oven is working extremely well, maybe better than I’d hoped. Previously the temp inconsistency from top to bottom was significant. Now the part flashes/gels at about the same time. Even better, the temp sensor is reading almost the same as the part. I’ve found that setting the temp to the desired is nearly spot on.
Once the oven is at temp, it recovers nicely as well. The extra 14ga metal shields and diffusers internally help considerably in that regard. I completed 26 pulls about 3 at a time and have 50-ish to go.
The color is slightly darker than the pulls when raw steel and give a nice preview of what the wall panels will look like when coated as well.
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A sample of speedway grey…
Outstanding. But then you had me at riv-nut wall. Doh!A sample of speedway grey…
kaymccampbell
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Lovely. Not to tell you your business, but I've had a lot of luck preheating my parts before shooting and then final cooking. Are you doing the same, or just sticking the cold painted parts in?A sample of speedway grey…
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Hot flocking (spraying parts hot vs cold) works but it takes some skill to not over or under coat a part. Too much and the coating can sag or run. Too little and you might not notice until it’s cured. I typically only hot flock when I’m having challenges getting into tight spots, when I want a slight thicker coat, or when a second or clear coat won’t adhere normally.
I’m very impressed when someone on YouTube can hot flock a wheel and get it to turn out. I don’t have the confidence to try.
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More progress last night. I had a pile of drawer pulls that will wrap up both the shop and garage cabinet drawers I decided to start in on..
Test bend the first part to adjust the over/under bend and I’m off to the races.
The first few I check
Then I get after it. All in all I formed about 32 I think.
From there they get loaded into the blast cabinet and I’m back to cycling thru the I’ve and into the drawers.
This process will likely keep me busy for the remainder of the evenings this week. Not super interesting really, good time to think and plan other projects.
Test bend the first part to adjust the over/under bend and I’m off to the races.
The first few I check
Then I get after it. All in all I formed about 32 I think.
From there they get loaded into the blast cabinet and I’m back to cycling thru the I’ve and into the drawers.
This process will likely keep me busy for the remainder of the evenings this week. Not super interesting really, good time to think and plan other projects.
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Matt! The router brackets arrived safely yesterday afternoon and I have to say, the color is awesome! Mounted two so far and will get after the other two later this week!
The drawer pulls look fantastic, as everything you do typically does!
Cheers,
The drawer pulls look fantastic, as everything you do typically does!
Cheers,
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Fantastic, glad they’ll be put to use. Post up some pics when you get everything in its place!
Matt
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Last night I kinda took the night off but before I did I swapped out the computer and monitor cables on my Plasma table pedestal computer with longer ones and wrapped all cables in a Tig lead cover to protect it from the plasma sparks. In up coming months I’ll be organizing all the electrical and table coolant system under the plasma and more neatly run it between the pedestal and table then. For now it’s protected. The perspective in the pic makes it seem like it’s still down in the danger zone but it’s not..
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Fantastic
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Last night I continued to blast and coat drawer pulls. Counter see $hit so I decided it was time to replace the glass protector with a new one. Forgot how the visibility could be
In between batches I prepped for the beginning of a new project that starts today. Bet ya can’t guess what it’ll be…
In between batches I prepped for the beginning of a new project that starts today. Bet ya can’t guess what it’ll be…
kaymccampbell
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Railings?
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No, good guess tho.
‘nother teaser…
Some close ups
You think you know until you see this one
kaymccampbell
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A whole herd of adjustable height end tables?
It sorta looks like the kit for some kind of knockdown modular box.
It sorta looks like the kit for some kind of knockdown modular box.
Bessy
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Tradeshow booth or life-sized Meccano set 
?
?larry4406
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Pallet rack shelving?