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Just found this thread buried... What a great set-up! Not only is that bench one of my new favorites on GJ but the lights and quick air connection is awesome. And your "home made" storage came out great.

Any updates? Did you mount your vice yet? I'm curios to see how you'll mount it from your description.
 
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Hot Chop shop

Thank you very much. I still need to finish the other side of the storage cabinet.
As for the vice, it is currently on hold. I have been working on the other side of the shop building a 1950's Chevron Gas Station theme.
I did mount and plumb the pressure washer reel. I had to get 40' of 1/2" .049 stainless tubing to finish it. It is mounted on the center post of the overhead door partition.

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Thank you. I have a hard time keeping the shop clean with every project I have or want to do, but it is my goal to have a place for everything with in a cabinet, drawer, or rack.
 

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Thank you very much. I still need to finish the other side of the storage cabinet.
As for the vice, it is currently on hold. I have been working on the other side of the shop building a 1950's Chevron Gas Station theme.
I did mount and plumb the pressure washer reel. I had to get 40' of 1/2" .049 stainless tubing to finish it. It is mounted on the center post of the overhead door partition.

Subscribed! And staying tuned for updates and progress pics.


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@Akdisel - Great setup! Glad to hear (and see) that you are enjoying your Lista cabinets! Please let me know if you have any questions or feedback. We love seeing how people are using our products!
 
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Thanks you. The cabinets are working great. I will be looking for some more cabinets in the future to finish up my shop storage. I will be sure to contact you for questions regarding the cabinets.
Once again thanks for a great product and your comments.
 

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Just picked up some EPPCO Drawer Liners, I'm expecting great things.
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Next up I plan on stealing your LED light set-up.
 
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Nice to here you went for those liners. Hope they work out for your new Lista cabinets.
Ive been real happy with them holding the tools and keeping the drawers clean. I have some air tools that I oil, and they will leak oil over time. The liners keep it from leaking through and clean up is easy.
 

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Wow, just read through the whole thread. This is a work of art.

Need to change your screen name to "Unistrut Nut" or something.

So I take it inside the Unistrut there was enough room for both the electrical and air? How big is the air tubing?
 
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Lol. Thank you. I am some what a nut case.
I used the 1/4" ss tubing to allow for plenty of room for the 12 gauge romex and any strut nuts needed.
I figured 1/4" tubing at the bench is plenty cfm for any work to be done there. I have 3/4" tubing through out the rest of the shop.
 
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FS Curtis Air Compressor

Finally got my new air compressor in a few months back and now I have had time to get the wiring and plumbing done to be able to use it. This is replacing a 20 gallon CH oil less compressor that has been supporting my needs since 1999. I was bad about draining the tank but it still appears to be fine. We don't actually get a lot of moisture up here (roughly 60% humidity).
So I broke down and went in with my neighbor for two 7.5 hp 80 gallon FS Curtis Air Compressors. Shipping was not to bad. Approx. $350 to ship each to my door.
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I ran 55' of 6:3 wire to a the other side of the shop for a 100 amp sub-panel. I am using a 60 amp breaker for this size of wire. I also wired three other outlets. One 20 amp receptacle next to the air compressor plug for cooling fans and auto drains. One 40 amp plug for the air compressor, another 40 amp plug for my welder, and one 30 amp plug for the new to me Delta drill press. I ran a Lutron 60 amp light switch to be able to turn off the compressor when needed instead of using the breaker.
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I still need to find a toggle switch cover that matches the rest of the plug covers.

The compressor did not come with a cooler so I did some research and made my own set up. I purchased a Hayden 1260 cooler that has 3/4" inlet and outlet female npt fittings. These coolers work great. They are designed to create a venturi effect for the air flow to help cool it down when it leaves the cooler with out any additional cooling fans.
I did opt to keep the same size line that the compressor came with (1" copper), but went with stainless .065 wall tubing. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HEADJ2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
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I opted to use two additional cooling fans to help cool the air just that much before it enters the main tank. The fans are 12v 10" Upgr8 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T3TK3EW/?tag=atomicindus08-20
These fans will move some air and are very quiet. Not that you can hear them when the compressor is on. I need to wire them up so when the compressor starts up the fans turn on.

I then bent some 1" stainless tubing to go to the coalescent filter. Just before that I relocated the pressure switch to a Swagelok cap. I drill and tapped the cap for a 1/4" fitting to route to the switch.
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The 1/4" stainless line going to the pressure switch.
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I also use anti seize on all my ferrels for the Swagelok connections. Some of these swagelok fittings are used from Ebay so they have lost there silver thread lube but I also found that the anti seize will also aid in a very good tight seal for air.
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I am using a Wilkerson WSA-08-000 Coalescent filter with 1" inlet and outlet. The pressure rating is 300 psi and 150 deg temp.
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I am using a 1" Swagelok SS-CHS16-1/3 Check Valve since I do not want to loose all my air to the main tank which then goes to a 1" Wilkerson Dial Air Regulator R31-08-000. I like this smaller non rising stem regulator versus the others in that it fits in this spot just right.
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Now just after the regulator I am still using the existing knock out drum I have been using for awhile now. Some call it the Franzinator (spelling), but they are simply a knock out drum, which knocks out liquids after cooling has taken place. This tank is also stainless so moisture build up should take place in the coalescent filter and then here before it enters the main tank.
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Then it takes off from the tank to a 3/4" 1/4 turn block valve, then to a 3/4" stainless braided 4' long hose to the main line.
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FS Curtis Air Compressor Temp Results

So Some temperature results when running the compressor from a 0 psi to 150 psi were very impressive.
The start of the Hayden cooler were at 350 deg f. and the exit of the cooler were 100 deg f. with the fans running.
I have some temp pics from a a 100 psi to 140 psi start point.
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Prior to getting to the filter.
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You can see the coalescent filter working with droplets forming on the filter housing.
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At the knock out drum.
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And at the main tank.
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So for the end result, I am very happy with the system. I could have gone copper piping but stainless is not that much more and I can expand stainless easier than copper.
I plan on using a sand blast cabinet and doing some painting so I want the cleanest air I can get. I believe I have approx. $2600 (air compressor and parts)in this set up minus the main line tubing.
I forgot to mention I also have two auto drains that will be going outside through the shop vent.
 

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^^wow! nice work!

I bet that bender was about 3 bills!!!
 
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Very nice job.

Where are you getting the 12V power for your fans?

As of now I simply have it wired to a 3.2 amp plug that was used to power an old hard rive or something similar. They are not getting the full power or air flow they should but they work.
I want to hard wire them with a 12v / ac converter when the compressor comes on. I was considering using the compressor pump but its rotation is designed to cool the compressor pump.
 

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I picked up a cooler the last time Zoro did a 30% off sale and my plan was to position the cooler after the pump so the residual air from the pulley would flow past the cooler. It would not be optimal but may be enough to drop the temps. If I can find a decent 12V/AC converter I may go your route instead. It would make tube routing easier.
 
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Watchout on that 60A plug or else NEC-huggers will bash you... .lol

Not sure what you mean by the 60 amp plug. Can you explain?

WhoWhatNow

I am very happy with the Hayden design. Not sure what you have. You might look at them to see how they function. Not sure if all of their coolers have that ventureie effect to help cool.
I also opted to have the cooler come straight from the exit of the pump and have a slight angle towards the exit of the cooler to the coalescent filter.
I did not want to have the cooler lower than the line to the coalescent due to water collecting at the low point. Compressors do not work good pushing liquids, and liquid could also stop flow on part of the cooler to where the air will go to the point of path of least resistance.
 

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Members on here may disagree with your plug because it might not be a 7.5HP rated plug AND outlet. To me, I would use it in the same manner as you, I don't have any problem with it.

The reason why members disagree because they read that NEC does not recommend it if it's not rated for your compressor. And I understand that but what they forget is why NEC say it that way, or lack thereof. I hope I won't start a war again but here's what NEC doesn't explain:

A plug and outlet is designed to be unplug-able. I believe NEC treats all outlet plugs in the same principle, if you unplug and plug repetitively so many times, it will be loosed. When it's loosed, potential fire will occur due to the extreme and instant current pull at initial start of the motor. However, for a compressor, it's quite rare that it's need to be unplugged, DO YOU AGREE?

NEC don't explain these things because it's a technical document and again, IMO, it's fine to me.
 
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Thanks for the clarification. I was unaware of the plug possibly not being rated for a 7.5 hp motor. I have the same plug for my Lincoln 175 mig welder but with that too I turn off the power prior to unplugging.
 

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I am not sure what the risk is to not using motor rated plugs. I got a couple on 5's but the breakers are off so I guess it doesn't much matter. But they wrote it for a reason or a lot of reasons.
Its risk to our kind of user may be about like wire bundling and derating. doesn't much matter with very small and/or very intermient loads to a single set of conductors. Put it in a situation in industrial with multiple motors where every wire was loaded in a hot boiler room it all becomes a different matter.
 

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It would be a motor 2 sizes bigger than its rated for. We saw a thread here that had a "7.5" run on a wire 2 sizes too small for 18 yrs,,, hahaha
All this is why the "5 hp" 22A on a 10 cable doesn't scare me real bad.
 

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Thanks for the info. Too many what ifs so I may just hard wire in.

You can also use an A/C disconnect I believe. You may have trouble finding one that is rated high enough though. I picked one up at Home Depot for my 40 Amp compressor circuit.

One other ? You said that you were using a 60 amp light switch for the compressor. Is that a motor switch rated for 7.5 HP? There are motor rated switches that are intended to be used for this application. I have my disconnect switched as well and used a Levitron 40 Amp 5 HP motor rated switch. Something to look into since you have already gone through a lot to do it right. Great job.
 
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You can also use an A/C disconnect I believe. You may have trouble finding one that is rated high enough though. I picked one up at Home Depot for my 40 Amp compressor circuit.

One other ? You said that you were using a 60 amp light switch for the compressor. Is that a motor switch rated for 7.5 HP? There are motor rated switches that are intended to be used for this application. I have my disconnect switched as well and used a Levitron 40 Amp 5 HP motor rated switch. Something to look into since you have already gone through a lot to do it right. Great job.

Thank you. I have to correct my self on the toggle switch. I said it was a Lutron but it is a Leviton 60 amp double pole switch rated for 10 hp / 240.
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ProductDetail.jsp?partnumber=MS602-FW&section=40132&minisite=10251
I turn the switch off when not using air, but I leave the plug in place.
 

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Very nice set up. When I grow up I want a setup just like that.
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Thank you. I have to correct my self on the toggle switch. I said it was a Lutron but it is a Leviton 60 amp double pole switch rated for 10 hp / 240.
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ProductDetail.jsp?partnumber=MS602-FW&section=40132&minisite=10251
I turn the switch off when not using air, but I leave the plug in place.

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My system is similar to yours in concept but not nearly as nice in execution. My 5hp Quincy is in my basement with 3/4 black pipe going into my garage shop. I have a 40 amp circuit set up which is switched in the garage allowing me to turn the compressor on an off from the shop. I also have a cheap explosion proof light (just for looks) high on the ceiling wired into the switch so I always know when the compressor is on.
On the air side I plumbed a 110V solenoid valve right out of the tank which is also switched in the shop so I can turn the air distribution system on and off. This way if I have a leak in any of the pipe it won't drain the tank. I also have a auto drain hooked to the same circuit to drain the water from tank when the distribution system is on.
My next step is to hook up the air drier also with an auto drain wired into the compressor circuit. This way the water is drained from the cooler anytime the pump is on.

It has been a lot of work but definitely worth it. It is so nice having a good supply of air in the shop.
 
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Yes....love the deep drawers! Very nice.

Thank you. Lots of room in those drawers. I have been slowly building my tool amount to fill them up.

That's one nice installation, well done.:thumbup:

Thank you. Been racking my brain as too which direction to go for cleaner air.

Very nice set up. When I grow up I want a setup just like that.
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Thanks for stopping by and thank you. Never grow up. I have fun acting like a kid in the shop dreaming of stuff to make.

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My system is similar to yours in concept but not nearly as nice in execution. My 5hp Quincy is in my basement with 3/4 black pipe going into my garage shop. I have a 40 amp circuit set up which is switched in the garage allowing me to turn the compressor on an off from the shop. I also have a cheap explosion proof light (just for looks) high on the ceiling wired into the switch so I always know when the compressor is on.
On the air side I plumbed a 110V solenoid valve right out of the tank which is also switched in the shop so I can turn the air distribution system on and off. This way if I have a leak in any of the pipe it won't drain the tank. I also have a auto drain hooked to the same circuit to drain the water from tank when the distribution system is on.
My next step is to hook up the air drier also with an auto drain wired into the compressor circuit. This way the water is drained from the cooler anytime the pump is on.

It has been a lot of work but definitely worth it. It is so nice having a good supply of air in the shop.

I like the idea of the light. I will include that into my system as well. Thank you.
 

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Lista cabinets

Started this project about a year ago, thought I would post the ideas and results of products I incorporated into it.
I have had a rolling tool cabinet for years that never rolled anywhere so I wanted to have a stationary bench set up with all my tools. I have been researching Lista, Vidmar, Lyon, Equipto, etc for over a year before I came to the final results of Lista. Vidmar now owns Lista but the Lista line seems to be more accommodating for options and sizes as well as availability.
I chose to go with black. The outside is black but the insides are the standard grey color. The handles are full drawer length and have a nice clear plastic proctor the can easily be lifted to allow for a name plate.
Each drawer can handle 400 lbs and a safety system is incorporated so that only one drawer can be opened at a time. This can be altered if needed. But make sure you have the cabinets fastened to the floor or the wall since a 400 lbs top drawer could tip the cabinet if opened all the way.
The frame work is Unistrut. The back of the cabinets are fastened with 7/8" strut and the sides are 1 5/8" strut powder coated black with electrical and airlines.

Very nice. Can you give us an idea (1) what the Lista cabinets cost (especially the lower ones) and (2) what the Unistrut cost for the frame?

Are there Unistrut "attachments" or "accessories" that support the outlets and air? Or are these something you fabbed up by yourself.

Thanks!
 
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