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davo727

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Correct.

If you can design it yourself and buy the components from a yard you will save 30-50% compared to a package deal from a steel building company where you have to pay their profit on the steel sale and then you have to pay their BIG profit on the package.



steel supply yard, overpaying if you're getting the steel anywhere else.
 
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I understand buying "standard" or "stock" purlins, girts, etc. However, how do you go to a "steel yard" and buy "stock" rigid frame columns and rafters? Aren't these unique to a particular building size/design? Are these members sold just like I-beams, square tube and c-channel at major steel vendors? If one goes this route are you paying an engineer to design and spec. the components?
 

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I understand buying "standard" or "stock" purlins, girts, etc. However, how do you go to a "steel yard" and buy "stock" rigid frame columns and rafters? Aren't these unique to a particular building size/design? Are these members sold just like I-beams, square tube and c-channel at major steel vendors? If one goes this route are you paying an engineer to design and spec. the components?

Having a "custom" designed steel building would seem very cost inefficient, imho. Unless you have some sort of actual steel design background I probably wouldn't want to attempt to design a steel building. One would assume the advantage of buying a steel building from a supplier would be they are selling you a more-or-less vetted cookie cutter design with slight modifications. They are selling steel bought in bulk and hardware bought in bulk. The price YOU pay for steel or hardware is not going to be close to what they pay. You aren't going to call up the steel supplier and buy columns with the bolting flanges welded on the end. You are going to have the fabricate all of this.

Even for things like welding electrodes the average fair sized contractor can't get the price an OEM can purchase them for because of the amount that the OEM buys and the amount they may POTENTIALLY buy.

Buy an off the shelf building from a vetted company and make the customizable options what you want them to be through them.
 

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Having a "custom" designed steel building would seem very cost inefficient, imho. Unless you have some sort of actual steel design background I probably wouldn't want to attempt to design a steel building. One would assume the advantage of buying a steel building from a supplier would be they are selling you a more-or-less vetted cookie cutter design with slight modifications. They are selling steel bought in bulk and hardware bought in bulk. The price YOU pay for steel or hardware is not going to be close to what they pay. You aren't going to call up the steel supplier and buy columns with the bolting flanges welded on the end. You are going to have the fabricate all of this.

Even for things like welding electrodes the average fair sized contractor can't get the price an OEM can purchase them for because of the amount that the OEM buys and the amount they may POTENTIALLY buy.

Buy an off the shelf building from a vetted company and make the customizable options what you want them to be through them.

This is exactly what my thinking was, hence my question. Why are several people above saying to buy the steel direct from the "yard"? I understand a metal bldg goes together like an erector set, but each piece is custom designed and built for a given building as I understand it? Or are there standard column and rafter specs that kit designers use?
 

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This has been my dream shop for years... It's at Disney CA. It looks old and weathered, but it was fairly new. It was brush painted with green and grey paint I believe, to give it a weathered look. It was stick built, with long steel beams running the length on the inside, down the middle, so that it was wide open without a bunch of supports in the middle.

There are more pictures of it in my album..
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1191

Judd
 

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This has been my dream shop for years... It's at Disney CA. It looks old and weathered, but it was fairly new. It was brush painted with green and grey paint I believe, to give it a weathered look. It was stick built, with long steel beams running the length on the inside, down the middle, so that it was wide open without a bunch of supports in the middle.

There are more pictures of it in my album..
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1191

Judd

Yeah, that's incredible.
 

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I have done this Brad. It is pretty common up here. This is one regional supplier of steel like that

http://bridgersteel.com/

The sheething makes for a stronger building.

Yeah, I would love to hear more about that weathered stuff...

That link to Bridger Steel shows the weathered stuff. It comes looking new and slowly ages to that nice patina. I believe there is a way to halt the process as well? We have a tourist place here that looks like a 100 year old mine and much of the tin is new.

For the record, our bright galv. tin is now 7 years old and has a satin grey sheen. The chimney out back has stained it a rusty color. If I wanted to add some patina I would spray a mixture of Iron sulphate on the roof. It is a greenhouse item

http://www.bonide.com/products/product.php?category_id=920&sku=920

We used this on our floors and got a nice rusty stain out of it. It will stain anything!





The above colors are more reddish and less tan than my phone shoots.
 
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Ryan, just had a 40x50 Mueller building erected in July. TNT Construction from Smithville did the install. Very happy with the install. They do work in Austin.

Jeremiah at the Mueller Bastrop location was easy to work with on ordering the building.
 

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i dealt with http://www.premierbuildings.com/ for my 40x60x16. it is insulated with skrim as you call it (yellow batt on one side, white plastic on the other. batt goes against interior side of the steel sheeting, white plastic faces the interior). i was very pleased overall with them. salesman ([email protected]) was easy to deal with both before AND AFTER the sale (needed help with permit stuff and finding a crew to put it up), and i'm quite pleased with the quality of the building.

pricing was almost the cheapest i found, and no surprise costs or BS. engineer-stamped plans went a long way in dealing with the county for permits; as in, they saw the stamp and sent me on my way :)

ahm
 

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Doing it yourself with temp paid help you should be able to build a 24x24 insulated with 16x10 door, man door, gutters on side and foundation for $5k or less.

I can build a 2k sq ft loaded 100% brick ranch for 50-75k sub contracting it out. Better bet I can pull off a shop for less than $5k.
 
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How high will the side walls be? If 12ft or less, stick built with lumber would be cheaper, and easy to insulate and finish the interior.

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Ryan,

new guy here, I love the site. I am a dealer/contractor for a couple of different Pre-engineered metal building suppliers. Send me a PM if you would like to discuss what exactly you are looking for. I can get you quotes for everything from slab to erection.

Luke
 
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With a metal structure, can the siding still be brick and use a composite roof? My HOA requires the structure to look like the house.

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This has been my dream shop for years... It's at Disney CA. It looks old and weathered, but it was fairly new. It was brush painted with green and grey paint I believe, to give it a weathered look. It was stick built, with long steel beams running the length on the inside, down the middle, so that it was wide open without a bunch of supports in the middle.

There are more pictures of it in my album..
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1191

Judd
Filed for (hopefully) future reference :)
 

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This is a good post... I have been getting ready to look into building a new garage and have been debating the stick vs metal build.

Can anyone tell me what my options are for a metal garage/ shop say 20' x 32' in the Norfolk, VA Area ??
 

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Just seeing this. :eek:

Whatever you get, get good door seals and insulation.

Pop's new metal building, in South Phoenix, has R30 in the ceiling and R18 (best of my recollection) in the walls with insulated overhead doors.

After the doors were put in to where they would seal it got to 101°F ambient, but only 83 in the garage, this past spring.
 

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Where do I start? First it is a very cutthroat business. I know that represents a pretty broad brush but homework is key here.
I have been selling and erecting metal buildings for about ten years and have worked with many suppliers. I think the key to success is dealing with a local contractor that puts up buildings on a regular basis. A lot of internet suppliers are brokers and will farm out your building to a manufacturer and not give you any service after the sale. A local guy can show you similar buildings to what you want and show you options in person.
Start asking around for recomendations and when the same names start coming up you will know who to talk to.
Try to find a contractor that does turnkey buildings so you won't be acting as the general contractor.
Know as much as you can about what you want before you start asking for numbers. Such as length, width, height, pitch, windows, walk doors, garage doors, overhangs, gutters, insulation, heating and cooling, plumbing, electrical, interior partitions, etc.
Be very up front about your budget right away so nobody is wasting their time estimating something you can't afford.
There are a lot more things that will enter into the equation but with the right contractor you should be in good hands.

This is good advice, go local. The contractor will have his own suppliers. The guy I'm using in east Texas has his own team for dirt, concrete, erection, etc. No subs to wait on. My last one was weld up, this one will be bolt up. I don't think there is a huge difference in either one. They'll fab it in the shop while the foundation is going in. Should go up quick.

My new one will look a lot like my current one, 30x40x12 with a 6/12 pitch roof. I have a 20x30 loft hung at the 10' mark across the back half, clear span. This time I'm adding an I-beam to carry a trolley and hoist, 1 ton. My cost driver is the foundation. I'm on a slope and have 5 large trees to remove. That is adding $8k over a flat slab. I'm also adding a 12x40 lean to down one side for trailer parking. I'm doing 3" insulation in the walls and ceiling and adding strapping and R32 in the roof. He talked me out of foam.
 

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Lots of guys from Texas in this thread...

can anyone suggest a good supplier in the San Antonio area? Looking to build a 30x70 and having trouble finding good companies...
 

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I had a metal building put up last year, not a steel building. 30x30x12 by R&B Metal Buildings out of Georgia. Took them 3 days, built in through a nasty rain storm on the 2nd day, and did a fantastic job. (http://www.randbmetalstructures.com/) I'm slowly getting OSB interior up and will either have a mini split A/C in there or a A/C Package system....120c3486a5dbedd962898b65c61f5226.jpge63a14dfbc8f79e14725d4e651977e8b.jpg


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Anyone have any feedback about Rigid Metal Buildings out of Houston?

http://www.rigidbuilding.com/


They are giving a pretty good quote for our 30x70 and we wanted to know if anyone has dealt with them before...

We are in San Antonio and they are quoting free shipping from Houston.

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I was a Rigid dealer years ago and left because I never got a complete building. Hopefully they have fixed that.
 

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I was a Rigid dealer years ago and left because I never got a complete building. Hopefully they have fixed that.

That does not sound encouraging...

What sort of things were missing?

With them being somewhat local to us in Texas perhaps they will be easier to deal with?

Thanks!
 

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Clips, framing members, bolts. Something different every time. Like I said, maybe they have that fixed now. Keep in mind that if you buy the building It will be your responsibility to take care of any missing parts. If you have an erector involved they may head to another job until you get the parts.
 

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Clips, framing members, bolts. Something different every time. Like I said, maybe they have that fixed now. Keep in mind that if you buy the building It will be your responsibility to take care of any missing parts. If you have an erector involved they may head to another job until you get the parts.

After extensive research and talking to endless salesmen I decided to go with a Mueller building, 30x70x14. Expecting delivery late December.

Their prices were not far off of the "other guys" and they seem to have the best reputation in the area. Dealing with Mueller has been most productive and least stressful of the vendors we contacted. A few glitches here and there, but they have been very responsive and helpful.

Can start a build thread if there is any interest...
 

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Good choice. They must be doing something right. They have been around a long time. Any time I have worked on or remodeled one of their buildings I have been impressed with the quality.
 

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Kinda wish I found this thread a year ago. It would have been a useful starting point when I was researching.

I went with Worldwide Steel Buildings for my build (description here). At one point the owner of the company doing the construction mentioned if he was given a design, he could have sourced the materials and built it without using a kit. Another thing that would have been useful to know a year ago.
 
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