Miller 211 Welder

[66354dream]

My 2nd offer was declined so I'll pass, I hope everything goes well for you guys and you get your items.

 

[ford33]

This is better than most television mystery drama's.

I hope it has a happy ending and everyone gets what they ordered.

 

[thachman]

Howdy, first post here and wanted to share my experience with this so far. Found GJ looking for tool boxes and I have been waiting for 2 months for the 72" box to go back on sale...
Anyhow, I also found this ebay sale here and ended up getting one of the 625 extreme plasma cutters. Ended up paying for it and then all the speculation began. Ended up messaging "Nicholas" several times and have heard many of the same things that have been posted already. However, he also accepted a MM211 offer i made yesterday but I haven't paid him yet. Told him I was holding off on making that payment until I was comfortable this was a legit deal.

Here's my original question:

Dear gillaca,

Hello Nicholas,

I see you've created a shipping label for this plasma cutter but I'd like to know when you anticipate FedEx picking it up.

These listing are getting a lot of attention about their legitimacy, and since I also owe for a 211 I'm planning to hold off on payment till I know more about what's going on.

Please advise asap.

Here's his response:

Dear 817******,

Tonight you should see movement on it.. Latest tomorrow.

No sweat for other one. It's reserved for you until you feel ready to pay.


I have almost no 211s left. There will not be anything to speculate about anymore.

On 2015-06-18, 10:54 AM,

I still don't have any idea whether or not I'll be cutting metal soon, but if not maybe Zoro will have another deal soon...also learned about Zoro here on GJ!

Again, I'm jaded, but that email just seems sketchy to me. Stall tactics. The check is in the mail kind of thing. Sincerely hope I'm wrong. I still want to believe there's honest people in the world.

 

[ishiboo]

Again, I'm jaded, but that email just seems sketchy to me. Stall tactics. The check is in the mail kind of thing. Sincerely hope I'm wrong. I still want to believe there's honest people in the world.

Kinda... if he has to truck them all across the border to ship them, if they're scanned in by FedEx tonight or tomorrow that would still be pretty darn quick shipping.

It fits, but we'll see.

 

[ishiboo]

He did tend to accept lower offers from people closer to montreal (or his shipping point in the US) and higher offers from the west coast. A scammer wouldnt care where his $600 came from

That's a very good and interesting point. I was denied an offer that someone nearer his location had just been accepted with.

 

[Strouty]

He is almost at 50/50 in my book. I hope it turns out to be a good deal for everyone, but a couple of his positive feedbacks are just crazy. One said that they had overnight delivery from Canada to California.

 

[ishiboo]

Yeah... this is suspenseful

 

[Strouty]

I have to go out of town for a wedding on Saturday, if we don't find out by then, I am going to be a stressed out mess!

 

[ER70S-2]

I have to go out of town for a wedding on Saturday, if we don't find out by then, I am going to be a stressed out mess!

Did you buy one?

 

[justanengineer]

JMO but I'd be truly amazed if it was real, but OTOH it doesnt really seem worth it to me. Miller's warranty IMHO is well worth spending the extra ~$300 on after being bit by their lower end electronics crapping out, and aside from that the warranty is also one big reason this deal screams fraud to me. I dont believe most dealers would ever have that many in inventory bc aside from creating a cash flow and tax issues, Miller's warranty starts the minute you buy it OR a year after the dealer does, whichever's first.

 

[ishiboo]

Miller's warranty starts the minute you buy it OR a year after the dealer does, whichever's first.

That's interesting, I had no idea. But it's in the warranty text... sure enough!

I bought the Hypertherm, I don't anticipate there will be issues and if there are, I think Hypertherm will do me right.

 

[dkroth]

Frequency plot of his sales since March. Low_Crew_Cab started this thread the evening of June 15, which certainly caused a bump in sales on the 16th and 17th.

 

[trackwelder]

JMO but I'd be truly amazed if it was real, but OTOH it doesnt really seem worth it to me. Miller's warranty IMHO is well worth spending the extra ~$300 on after being bit by their lower end electronics crapping out, and aside from that the warranty is also one big reason this deal screams fraud to me. I dont believe most dealers would ever have that many in inventory bc aside from creating a cash flow and tax issues, Miller's warranty starts the minute you buy it OR a year after the dealer does, whichever's first.

Miller has always done right by me. It's been along time since I bought anything new. Do machines come with a warranty card or do you just use your receipt for warranty work.

 

[Strouty]

Did you buy one?

Don't be so dramatic, of course not, do you think I am a fool?

 

[trackwelder]

Don't be so dramatic, of course not, do you think I am a fool?

Do you really want an answer!!!

 

[bcradio]

Do you really want an answer!!!

He's got over a million dollars worth of inventory in his shop that is fully insured... do you think he needs a MM211?

 

[cagullett1]

Some have speculated that the welders the seller has feedback for were "sold" to fake accounts and no transfer of property actually occurred. If this happened, the seller would still be on the hook for $85 (most were previously sold for $845). Based on the graph above, that's 4-5k in ebay fees that he would have to front upwards of 2 months prior to his actual scheme. If this turns out to be a scam, I don't see the original account owner being the scammer, I see it being a hack job using the account owner's previous listings and duplicating them.

 

[Strouty]

He's got over a million dollars worth of inventory in his shop that is fully insured... do you think he needs a MM211?

That was replacement value of new items and I am underinsured. Get it right!

 

[Strouty]

Some have speculated that the welders the seller has feedback for were "sold" to fake accounts and no transfer of property actually occurred. If this happened, the seller would still be on the hook for $85 (most were previously sold for $845). Based on the graph above, that's 4-5k in ebay fees that he would have to front upwards of 2 months prior to his actual scheme. If this turns out to be a scam, I don't see the original account owner being the scammer, I see it being a hack job using the account owner's previous listings and duplicating them.

People like to say that ebay can be used to launder money too.

I hope there is a massive plot twist!

 

[cagullett1]

People like to say that ebay can be used to launder money too.

I hope there is a massive plot twist!

And I hoped a few hours ago you would stop posting on this thread, but we can't all get what we want.

 

[kunkernator]

Anyone want to throw around the idea that it is taking a bit to ship because of how many were purchased at once?

Just being a devils advocate here. I didnt grab one, but hope for the best for the people who did.

 

[Strouty]

Just got this email from the seller, we shall see. . .

Dear xxxxxxxxx,

the volume of welders we sold creates a lot of speculation, the detail people forget is that we been selling these since February, all customers have been satisfied, We are currently not making profit of those, we are just recuperating cash flow for other investments, we acquired 162 welders from a major Canada distributor that I can't disclose. Let's say they definitely don't sell Miller anymore.

Expect tracking info today, and reception of box Wednesday max,

I am really not into the online discussion stuff as welding is not my field at all.

Let people talk... and the non believers will just be out of a great opportunity.

Cheers

Nicholas

- gillaca

Frequency plot of his sales since March. Low_Crew_Cab started this thread the evening of June 15, which certainly caused a bump in sales on the 16th and 17th.

If Dkroth's chart is correct, then he sold 255 of his 162 welders. That is pretty good.

 

[Strouty]

Anyone want to throw around the idea that it is taking a bit to ship because of how many were purchased at once?

Just being a devils advocate here. I didnt grab one, but hope for the best for the people who did.

That is why there is some feeling of truth to this. As cagullett1 pointed out, they would have needed to actually have some capital to pull of the scam. If I was a criminal and thought losing $5k would net me $100k, I would probably take the chance.

 

[trackwelder]

That is why there is some feeling of truth to this. As cagullett1 pointed out, they would have needed to actually have some capital to pull of the scam. If I was a criminal and thought losing $5k would net me $100k, I would probably take the chance.

And hope that a feeding frenzy of garage nuts buys the majority of them in two days. I doubt he would of sold that many at $795 a piece. But once the best offer deal posted here sales went bat **** crazy.

 

[kunkernator]

That is why there is some feeling of truth to this. As cagullett1 pointed out, they would have needed to actually have some capital to pull of the scam. If I was a criminal and thought losing $5k would net me $100k, I would probably take the chance.

True.

If Dkroth's chart is correct, then he sold 255 of his 162 welders. That is pretty good.

And then there's that.....

 

[ishiboo]

Interesting they've all been private listings so you can't see usernames/etc. from feedback.

If this was a 24" black ***** I can see why it'd be necessary, but on a welder it's rather unusual I would think...

 

[NUTTSGT]

Gentlemen,

Please keep your bickering or back and forth comments to yourself and leave this thread to the relevant issue of the welders at hand

Best of luck to those of you that have sought ownership of a new welder.

 

[Fordman7795]

Interesting they've all been private listings so you can't see usernames/etc. from feedback.

If this was a 24" black ***** I can see why it'd be necessary, but on a welder it's rather unusual I would think...

Its not a private listing. That is just ebays new way to hide names. And you can cancel a transaction, get your fees back and still leave feedback so the fronting of 5k in fees isnt necessarily true.

 

[ishiboo]

Its not a private listing. That is just ebays new way to hide names. And you can cancel a transaction, get your fees back and still leave feedback so the fronting of 5k in fees isnt necessarily true.

Oh, sorry... I thought they were all the same. The Hypertherm listing says:

"This is a private listing and your identity will not be disclosed to anyone except the seller."

The Miller 211 ones were not.

 

[Fordman7795]

Oh, sorry... I thought they were all the same. The Hypertherm listing says:

"This is a private listing and your identity will not be disclosed to anyone except the seller."

The Miller 211 ones were not.

I never looked at the hypertherm. Are you saying all the previous feedback he has received for welders were all private listings?

 

[justanengineer]

And you can cancel a transaction, get your fees back and still leave feedback so the fronting of 5k in fees isnt necessarily true.

+1, there's been quite a few other ways to "scam" the feedback as well over the years which is part of the reason why ebay used to be much more open about sharing everyone's bids. JMO but I havent been a fan of ebay for about a decade bc of these scams and ppl's greed, back in the late 90s/early 2ks it was pretty nice but anymore no. From the tone of some posts here it sounds like some folks bid under the assumption that theyve got guaranteed coverage, hope that never becomes a hard lesson for them like it did me.

 

[Strouty]

There were some private feedbacks, but most were public.

Fordman, you should change that link for your paypal address to this:

fordman7795 at yahoo dot com

Internet bots will grab it the way you have it listed.

 

[Strouty]

+1, there's been quite a few other ways to "scam" the feedback as well over the years which is part of the reason why ebay used to be much more open about sharing everyone's bids. JMO but I havent been a fan of ebay for about a decade bc of these scams and ppl's greed, back in the late 90s/early 2ks it was pretty nice but anymore no. From the tone of some posts here it sounds like some folks bid under the assumption that theyve got guaranteed coverage, hope that never becomes a hard lesson for them like it did me.

I agree. I can remember when I paid $175 for an item, the guy stiffed me and gave ebay a fake tracking number. When ebay resolved the case, they told me that they could only get $26 back, but the case was now closed.

 

[JonnyC]

Just got a tracking confirmation email from FedEx. 70lbs.

 

[Strouty]

This could be the biggest open mouth insert foot ever.

Hopefully everyone gets the same thing!

Still thinking positive thoughts.

 

[alex2929]

Shipping updated. Looks like they were shipped out of British columbia. 70lbs. I hope all the haters are wrong!!!!!

 

[Strouty]

Shipping updated. Looks like they were shipped out of British columbia. 70lbs. I hope all the haters are wrong!!!!!

The only issue is that a miller 211 is 87 pounds shipping weight and the seller is in just outside of Montreal.

 

[Fordman7795]

Im on my 17th bag of popcorn. This is so entertaining

 

[Strouty]

Man I want some people to post real tracking numbers, someone be brave!

 

[aroslv]

Maybe this guy is truly an evil scammer and is actually sending out boxes of **** that weigh a lot just to torment you guys some more. He wants to get you all excited only to dash your dreams of welding. I'm thinking you guys messed with the wrong scammer! :evil laugh:

Seriously though, wouldn't that make it even harder to contest since there would be a confirmed delivery? I know from a past ebay transaction that once it is shown as delivered the buyer is hosed. Because it could have been stolen off your doorstep or you are making it up to get another item.