Ohio Barn Est. 2017/2018

[UTCiv]

Hello all!

After many years of planning, researching, designing, estimating, then finally taking action, we're close to having function in the barn. For stealing so much useful information from the forum to help in the process I figured it's about time to start a thread to post some information back:

48'x48'x16' + Scissor Truss + Porch

Pre-Construction Schedule:

Early 2017 - Planning, survey, permitting, zoning.
Mid 2017 - Finalizing contracts and lead time.
October 2017 - Groundbreaking.

More details and pictures to follow.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Congrats, what are you planning on using it for?

 

[captain14]

Are you going to be able to add the wall and roof panels before the weather turns?

I see your security team member is on patrol in one of the pictures. Looks like a GR?

 

[UTCiv]

Congrats, what are you planning on using it for?

Thanks it will be some storage, some maintenance, some creation space, and some hangout area. I want to try and keep it flexible, but a 2 post lift offset from the 10'x16' door and a loft space in the back 16'x30' corner (eventually).

Are you going to be able to add the wall and roof panels before the weather turns?

I see your security team member is on patrol in one of the pictures. Looks like a GR?

Sorry for the confusion, this initial post and a few of the next were intended as a bit of a flashback (2017), I ended up hiring out the building installation (framing, siding and roofing) I've had my head down till the snow flew last winter, and all this year getting the drive cut and stoned, backfill around the building, drainage piping in place, utility ducts ran, flooring, etc. I'm shooting for ceiling insulation this year then high bay lighting. I'll get moving on catching it up!

Yep, that is Maggie, she's about 14. Still gets around alright, she used to hear cars slowing down for the driveway (a bit of a distance) and let me know, but now I wake her up with a pat on the head when I get home.

Progress from Post 1!

These pictures show up to mid July 2018. One bit of effort that I took on was adding an additional skirt board below the provided and wrapping it in stainless flashing up under the siding to cover any exposed wood (even treated). I hired out the building construction and the guys did well, but I wanted one more row of skirt board which is tough to add afterward when it will become below EG in many areas.

I hired out: building erection and sheeting, concrete pouring.
I did survey, sitework, driveway, utilities (drainage, electrical and conduit for air, comm, water), floor coating and upcoming interior building work.

 

[UTCiv]

Almost to current day!

Concrete Floor: 5" of 4k Class C concrete with wire reinforcement over a vapor barrier, appropriate aging, lots of cleaning, heavy acid etch, and Legacy HD system in SE Camel with a custom fine flake and fine anti-skid. I love the floor, I just need some good lights on it (coming soon). It's almost too shiny as I could see foot prints and tire tracks in dust on the clear coat, but I'll take it. It feel super durable so far and I've drug a few things around on it moving things inside. I loved my other epoxy floor and this kit seemed great to install.

I plan to finish up a few exterior things this year, but my focus in the next few weeks will be installing vinyl faced insulation in the ceiling (48" width R25) and getting the lights up. I went with 8 - 225w LED high bay lights that have a 10V dimmer capability. Lots of options and thoughts there that I've been running through.

One question I have as I look at the ceiling is since I have scissor trusses, the gable truss on the ends don't have an angled bottom chord to match the ceiling. I could either inlay that slope into the regular truss, or add a 2x bottom chord shape to the face of the truss, or create the shape inside the columns. anyone have thoughts on pros and cons? Maybe do multiple? I'm envisioning how the insulation will work to seal around the various depths and openings up against the siding.

 

[bobbyjean]

hi utciv- the post's you have there....are concrete with bolts thru the wooden posts? did you make a footing under them? looks wild...no rot there for sure...is there a water issue in your area? ....barn looks very nice.... if you are finishing the walls anyway...i suggest using a flexable sealer at the floors edge..i did it to keep the mice/moles out...works great

 

[bugnut]

very nice I envy your floors!

 

[UTCiv]

hi utciv- the post's you have there....are concrete with bolts thru the wooden posts? did you make a footing under them? looks wild...no rot there for sure...is there a water issue in your area? ....barn looks very nice.... if you are finishing the walls anyway...i suggest using a flexable sealer at the floors edge..i did it to keep the mice/moles out...works great

They are a pre-engineered column known/sold as perma-columns. They sit on a concrete pad, then have an anti-lift bracket fastened below frost line:

EDIT: Can't post link but google: permacolumn.

I have seen some barns with rot around the columns with the required frost depth and poor draining soils, they may be overkill, but peace of mind with all the wind we get. We pretty much have 6"to 2' of organic/topsoil with clay underneath, misc. boulders throughout. It drains from the surface, but very slowly below and french drains fill up most of the time, so finding a nice gradual swale and some field tile really helps keep it moving.

very nice I envy your floors!

Thanks! I got it coated for around $1.10 per SF without the cost of labor or supplemental tools (pressure washer, leaf blower, etc.) that I had and are above and beyond the floor project. I bought a couple of squeegees, a few gallons of muratic acid, made some spike shoes, and a few roller handles.

I used a fertilizer/seed spreader for the flakes (Scotts-Turf-Builder-5-lb-Broadcast-Spreader), it worked better than when I threw them up in my attached garage. The flakes I bought though were all around 1/8" or so. Last time (Not Legacy) my flakes were larger and may have gotten some moisture in them at some point b/c they were much stickier. These I kept next to the dehumidifier in the basement and sealed them up in the container when I brought them out. They didn't stick at all and had more of a non-cohesive property. Much easier. I measured out the material by weight and then poured them into the spreader. With the shoes and the spreader I was able to get very even coverage. The only inconsistency was my own impatience/exhaustion as a DIY person and 1 mis-measurement . 2,400 SF done as 4 live 600 SF areas was a lot of work once the primer process was started. Overall though it looks great and I had some good help.

 

[UTCiv]

Insulation came yesterday and I'm hopefully going to have a lift by Friday to get it installed over the next two weeks. I think I am going to run the insulation to the inside of the column faces with a scissor bottom chord made from 2x8's that I can run the wall up to and fasten the ceiling insulation.

I need to finish the project on our van of motor mounts, rear brakes and shocks, and front swaybar end links and bushings. So far good to work in, I got some of the tools out there and temporarily wired a cord and plug to one of the lights that will be ceiling mounted (8 total) and slid some 4' LEDs in the wall pockets till I get it done.

 

[UTCiv]

Van work went well.

Working on getting the ceiling finished up in the next two weeks. Insulation was slow at first until I got a good technique down. I'll be running 2x2's longitudinally and transversely at 4' centers once the insulation is up. I considered a more "artistic pattern, but in the end, I want to get it done, I can always add something. Then conduit and lights.

I'll also be putting a catwalk through the center of the trusses and making a framed hatch for access. I don't think I'll be up there too much, but if I need to, it would be nice to have sure footing and a way to get up there.

I also picked up a couple of Ingersol Rand door closers for $15.00 total, I'll give them a sanding and paint them copper to match the roof and gutters.

 

[UTCiv]

Working on getting the ceiling finished up in the next two weeks.

A couple of weeks, NOPE. It's more than a month later, I'm beginning to emerge from the ceiling and lighting installation.

Lights are up and are pretty amazing. The dimming feature is a key with these lights. Most of the time so far I keep it on low, but once everything is in I could see needing to bump them up for detailed projects or working under vehicles.

The Bendpak XPR-10AS-168-LP 2 post lift arrived Monday evening, I have it on a trailer and should hopefully have it in this weekend. Then I will take a long pause on the barn itself and focus on some winter vehicle projects and maintenance.

 

[UTCiv]

I quick update since I got the lift installed and have worked on a few projects, it works great so far and is still breaking in a bit as I use it:


Van maintenance, sway bar bushings and end links:


A few vehicles in and out for miscellaneous items:



Currently, and with the impending weekend snow, I am getting my 1970's Ariens snow blower fixed back up. We had such light snows that it wasn't used in the past two seasons, and it got buried under things moved into the shed during the barn build. It needs fuel lines, oil change and carburetor cleaning.

 

[wasfast]

With only the ceiling insulation but not the walls, is the temperature inside "good" or rather cold?

 

[Growlertdi]

Good to see another Ohioan on here. what area of the state are you from>

 

[UTCiv]

With only the ceiling insulation but not the walls, is the temperature inside "good" or rather cold?

Good question, I would say it's below good, but not a bad solution for a place to work this winter. It depends if the heater is running and what the temperature is outside. It is much better than no ceiling insulation (where most of the heat escapes), but it needs the walls completed and I will likely have that done before next winter. I'm riding this winter out with a 150,000 BTU space heater and a few smaller electric heaters. In ~25 degree temps I've been able to keep it at 50 degrees with a less than 50% cycle time. That uses about 1 gallon of fuel (kerosene or diesel) every 4-6 hours.

The plan was originally to stop at lights this year and try the heater, but I didn't want the lights up without the insulation above them so I went ahead and installed the ceiling. I'll likely be using spray foam on the walls and covering the bottom 8' with plywood or OSB. Then I will run a radiant tube + electric system to maintain a regular temperature. I'm unsure at this point what the whole system might be.

Good to see another Ohioan on here. what area of the state are you from>

Thanks, I'm in Central Ohio as well, just SE of Columbus.

 

[1Garageman]

Hello fellow Ohio'ans. I am also in central Ohio area, just SE of Columbus. We are supposed to get 5" to 10" inches of snow this weekend

Your barn is awesome!

 

[UTCiv]

Hello fellow Ohio'ans. I am also in central Ohio area, just SE of Columbus. We are supposed to get 5" to 10" inches of snow this weekend

Your barn is awesome!

Hello!

Good to hear there's more of us around. It'll be interesting to see how much snow we really get and how the the area handles it.

Thanks, the barn is enjoyable, but definitely a WIP.

 

[Growlertdi]

Heh, I'm in Millersport. where abouts are you guys?

 

[1Garageman]

Heh, I'm in Millersport. where abouts are you guys?

Millersport, you are right by Buckeye Lake! I am not far away, I live in Pickerington.

 

[Growlertdi]

Awesome, Pickerington is a nice area. UTC, sorry to take over your Garage looks like it could have a mezzanine in it quite easily. Looking forward to seeing what all you do with it.

 

[UTCiv]

Awesome, Pickerington is a nice area. UTC, sorry to take over your Garage looks like it could have a mezzanine in it quite easily. Looking forward to seeing what all you do with it.

No problem CW checking in! Good to have the discussion. I would love to get a mezzanine up sooner rather than later, but I'm budget locked for the time being.

I have been looking for deals on metal cabinets and pallet racking, more storage is needed due to rapidly depleting floor space with areas of tools, parts, scrap parts, wood, scrap wood, stuff used for 1 of 4 seasons, stuff that may never be used etc. The size of the barn should hold for only a short amount of time without organization, need to be able to get some of this stuff up and out of the way. I really liked a post on here of a pallet racking system that was set up to have a bay as a work area.

I have an old yellow metal desk that needs to get back down here along with an oak desk that was my great grandfathers for his bulk materials business. He also owned several Sinclair gas stations as well, some cool stuff floating around with the family.

 

[1Garageman]

No problem CW checking in! Good to have the discussion. I would love to get a mezzanine up sooner rather than later, but I'm budget locked for the time being.

I have been looking for deals on metal cabinets and pallet racking, more storage is needed due to rapidly depleting floor space with areas of tools, parts, scrap parts, wood, scrap wood, stuff used for 1 of 4 seasons, stuff that may never be used etc. The size of the barn should hold for only a short amount of time without organization, need to be able to get some of this stuff up and out of the way. I really liked a post on here of a pallet racking system that was set up to have a bay as a work area.

I have an old yellow metal desk that needs to get back down here along with an oak desk that was my great grandfathers for his bulk materials business. He also owned several Sinclair gas stations as well, some cool stuff floating around with the family.

There are some $100 8 foot "racks" on craigslist here locally.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/bfs/d/columbus-8-pallet-racks/6801956525.html

8' Pallet Racks (Uprights, crossbeams, & wire decking)

Excellent Condition

Many available, price depends on how much you purchase

 

[STINEY]

Buckeye Roll Call? I'm in.....

O - H !!

 

[DHeitger]

Hello all!

After many years of planning, researching, designing, estimating, then finally taking action, we're close to having function in the barn. For stealing so much useful information from the forum to help in the process I figured it's about time to start a thread to post some information back:

48'x48'x16' + Scissor Truss + Porch

Pre-Construction Schedule:

Early 2017 - Planning, survey, permitting, zoning.
Mid 2017 - Finalizing contracts and lead time.
October 2017 - Groundbreaking.

More details and pictures to follow.

Where are you located in Ohio and who did the construction?

 

[Growlertdi]

buckeye roll call? I'm in.....

O - h !!

I O !! good times!

 

[UTCiv]

There are some $100 8 foot "racks" on craigslist here locally.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/bfs/d/columbus-8-pallet-racks/6801956525.html

8' Pallet Racks (Uprights, crossbeams, & wire decking)

Excellent Condition

Many available, price depends on how much you purchase

That’s not bad! I may have to give them a shout. Thanks,

Where are you located in Ohio and who did the construction?

I’m just south east of Columbus. I worked with Wayne’s Building Supply out of Laurelville, Ohio. He has a contractor that he works with they did the skeleton and the shell. The door work and gutters were other subs supplied by Wayne.

He was great to work with and very responsive. I had quite a few iterations and details that I could not replicate with any of the online systems, he was happy to provide multiple quotes. He also provided all of the drawings and details for engineered stamping. I came in with a few CAD drawings of my own and I did the site plan, grading, utilities etc. I am a PE, but post frame construction is not my specialty.

I’m happy to see this thread bringing the Ohio folks together!

 

[Double J]

Another O-H-I-O folk just jumping in. Nice looking shop UTCiv.

 

[UTCiv]

Another O-H-I-O folk just jumping in. Nice looking shop UTCiv.

Thanks, from your shop thread I see you have a radiant tube how has it been working out for you this winter? How do you have it set?

 

[Double J]

I absolutely love the tube heater! For large open spaces like our shops I think tubes are probably one of the better options out there. Easy to install with two people if you access to a scissor lift. They're efficient, relatively quite, no blowing air (kicking up dust) and heat the objects and floor as oppose to the air. It really does feel like the sun beating down on you.

I have the Infrasave (Schwank) IQ Series 130K BTU 40' tube which would work nicely for your size too. It's ran on a TruTemp thermostat---when the lights are on it jumps to 68, lights off drops to 59.

TruTemp IR Thermostat for Infrared Radiant Heaters:
* setback reduces control temperature by 9F [13C] when a building is unoccupied (lights off)
* setback is activated at night time by turning off lights
* mounts on standard 4″ [10cm] electrical box or directly to wall
* tamper-proof option

 

[Augus7us]

Looking good!

I'm southwest of columbus, out in the country finally.

I need to get my shop insulated and its all sitting out in the shop waiting to be installed. But the weather has sapped all the energy out of me. Or I'm just getting old

Maybe your post will motivate me.

-Clint.

 

[UTCiv]

Looking good!

I'm southwest of columbus, out in the country finally.

I need to get my shop insulated and its all sitting out in the shop waiting to be installed. But the weather has sapped all the energy out of me. Or I'm just getting old

Maybe your post will motivate me.

-Clint.

Thanks! It's a toss up getting insulation in in the winter vs. when I tried to get my ceiling up starting in August/Sept. time frame and it about killed me on hot days! Fall or spring would be my recommendation.

What type are you going with for walls and ceiling?

 

[UTCiv]

I absolutely love the tube heater! For large open spaces like our shops I think tubes are probably one of the better options out there. Easy to install with two people if you access to a scissor lift. They're efficient, relatively quite, no blowing air (kicking up dust) and heat the objects and floor as oppose to the air. It really does feel like the sun beating down on you.

I have the Infrasave (Schwank) IQ Series 130K BTU 40' tube which would work nicely for your size too. It's ran on a TruTemp thermostat---when the lights are on it jumps to 68, lights off drops to 59.

TruTemp IR Thermostat for Infrared Radiant Heaters:
* setback reduces control temperature by 9F [13C] when a building is unoccupied (lights off)
* setback is activated at night time by turning off lights
* mounts on standard 4″ [10cm] electrical box or directly to wall
* tamper-proof option

That’s a nice setup. I hope it’s in the plans for next season.

 

[rixtrix1]

Nice,big space. What's the winged hotrod under the car cover?

 

[UTCiv]

Nice,big space. What's the winged hotrod under the car cover?

Thanks,

I don't have many good pictures of it with the wing, but it's my brother-in-law's S2000 track car. He/we have worked on it over the years and now it is set up pretty well for hard track use. It's gutted, caged, and prepped with: Ohlins, solid or harder bushings, reinforced welds at some key areas, exhaust, tune, AP Racing(F) / Wilwood(R) brakes, WedSports in squared, adjustable splitter, adjustable wing, and a carbon fiber hard top. It's a big kart.

I don't have anything that is ******** track right now. The M3 has all of the good reliability upgrades for the typical E36 issues (radiator, water pump, fan delete, PS pump/lines, oil pump nut), single mass flywheel and HD clutch, some bushings, under tray, TC Kline 2-way coil overs and a small battery. I still like to cruise around the back roads to the parks and Hocking etc. with the kids, but it has done a few seasons of AutoX's and track days.

 

[powling]

Love the E36 and love the progress!

 

[UTCiv]

Love the E36 and love the progress!

Thanks, I've had the M3 since 2010. I was looking for a few years then found this one with the grey cloth and under 50k miles. I was great shape and cared for well enough, but it was all stock. Some of the factory stuff was showing it's age and showing the infrequency with which it was driven:

First day back at my parent's house (It lived there every winter until this year!!!):


I started working on getting things taken care of mechanically then brought it to my house for the spring-fall season:

OLD GARAGE LIGHTING:


2017 I finally got tired of the stock suspension at any driving event, and I knew I couldn't last another season without doing something:

NEW GARAGE LIGHTING!


Adding lightness:


The factory battery is enormous and people have had good luck with the AGM batteries and this saved about 45lbs. I was able to take some scrap aluminum plating and get some battery J-Hooks and hardware and fabricate a battery mount that used the factory holes from the beast battery. This keeps it nice and tight and I can take the whole assembly out with one screw, no holes in the chassis.

A ton of other projects over the years: steering wheel, shift knob, exhaust (probably the best 3 mods honestly), grey alcantara headliner, refresh all fabric and other miscellaneous items.

 

[UTCiv]

Projects a plenty this spring, not all related to the barn, but some in and around:

I had an old desk in storage that was sanded, and the metal top sprayed with bed liner for a general use platform and storage, I liked the style and color:



Old chairs that needed cleaned and serviced, thought they would be cool to clean up and save:



Press moved from basement:




All grown in now, but needed fill around the apron that was not accomplished before last winter:



Early father's day present:



Not picture worthy:

1. Water pump on Odyssey
2. Gas tank leak fix on Outback

Picture worthy!

1. 335i FBO - M3 control arms, M3 Eibach Sway Bars, Aluminum subframe bushings, spherical / adjustable rear arms, engine mounts, transmission mounts, new LSD Differential with shorter gears. The 335i has really tall gears and an open rear differential. This should make it very snappy but still keep a nice sweet spot for the turbos to have time to do their thing.




Overall the barn is doing it's thing and I am moving forward with 3 main purposes this year:

1. Building Envelope Completion - spray foam building shell, correct temporary ceiling insulation side fill-ins (need to come out for foam), maybe ceiling panels? (Aesthetic only), caulking windows and other trim joints, and trim out the underside of the front porch.

2. Electrical and Utility Completion - More outlets, outside lighting, door opener circuits, water and radiant heater.

3. Organization and Workstations - Still moving things from the basement and garage out to the barn. Getting a few projects accomplished lets me know how things work/don't work with a mix of seasonal vehicles, parts, equipment, materials, etc. I want to make sure I don't spend a lot of time or money on something that isn't functional. For the most part I'm collecting heavy duty carts and other things that can keep as much as possible mobile, but it helps to have a plan to get it organized. Each project has been it's own configuration and required things moved around as sometimes up to 3 projects are active in various areas.

One of our offices is closing and the furniture is of an old standard. I am likely going to try and get two large flat files (10 drawers each like 24" x 36" tool box), and a mix of lateral files and filing cabinets to create a workbench. Most of it is really heavy duty stuff and would make a good starting point to have 20+ drawers and 20' of counter top space along a wall. I also still need to get pallet racking, but I want to make everything cohesive and do it once after the insulation is sprayed. I also want to take into account that a loft over the back 16' is likely on the 2 year horizon the way projects and materials are stacking up.

Looking at the photos I need to take better pre- and post- project pictures so everything is not a mess.

 

[rixtrix1]

Very nice building and contents!

 

[captain14]

There’s a thread on here about tanner desks. How about posting your desk there?

 

[UTCiv]

Very nice building and contents!

Thanks, I can’t claim all the cool stuff. It’s definitely open to family and friends who have projects. It builds our collective tool cache.

There’s a thread on here about tanner desks. How about posting your desk there?

Thanks, I’ll post up.