disston
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I have bunches of 8 point sockets. Never seen an 8 point wrench before, or at least remember seeing one.
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You probably already know this but, if the companies that made your 8 point sockets were around in the 30's they were undoubtedly making these 7/16 X 1/2 Ford brake wrenches too. Though sometimes they used 4 points.
disston
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Now that you mention "Ford brake wrench" I think I may even have one of those. Haven't seen it in years tho. And never owned a Ford that it fit. Those were Model T and A vintage weren't they?
Now I'm gonna get myself in trouble......A,B and V8 to 1940ish. 7/16 for cars 1/2 for truck......My oldest Ford was a 66 Mustang in high school.
Provincial
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Mr. X is right.
So a GJ member with access to a 35 P&C catalog just confirmed that they were not offering an exposed gear ratchet at that point. So.... not in the 35 P&C cat. or the 36 Woodbury, present in the 39 P&C cat. Unknown if offered in 37 or 38, but either way looks like Thorsen was first and probably by a couple of years as far as I can tell.
Rileysan
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Great info. Thanks!
disston
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I drove a 1954 Ford for a couple of years. Did a lot of fooling around with the brakes but don't think that wrench fit it. It's pretty vague now but I think each wheel had 2 slave cylinders. Really weird. Maybe it was the fronts had that. I think it was a Customline, not even really sure about that either.
d42jeep
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Now I'm gonna get myself in trouble......A,B and V8 to 1940ish. 7/16 for cars 1/2 for truck......My oldest Ford was a 66 Mustang in high school.
I believe that Ford finally converted from mechanical to hydraulic brakes in 1939.
The mechanical brakes required frequent adjustments. My ‘29 Model A Ford had been converted to ‘40 Ford hydraulic brakes.
-Don
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Rileysan
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Every once in a while I need a kick in the behind to get me motivated. Mr. X gave me that kick when he grabbed this speed wrench off my workbench and told me "this is a really good one" which, reading between the lines means "get off your ***, clean this up and put it away!"
P&C 1/2" drive speed wrench, pre-model number stamping, ca. 1930s.
Brian
P&C 1/2" drive speed wrench, pre-model number stamping, ca. 1930s.
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Smokeshow69
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Rileysan
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Estate sale this morning. Nice late 20's partial. I think this is my first P&C wingnut socket and earliest 4 pt.
That is freakin awesome. Great score!
Brian
3baygarage
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Very nice find. That u-joint extension is pretty cool.
Smokeshow69
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Estate sale this morning. Nice late 20's partial. I think this is my first P&C wingnut socket and earliest 4 pt.
What is the threaded tool just above the t handle ? Very nice score !
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Hi. Yeah, I'm not sure these sets even had the regular style universal joint originally included.
Rileysan
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Aren't you supposed to be studying?
Smokeshow69
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Smokeshow69
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If it was a test on p&c and old tools, I would be teaching the class [emoji23]
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r_olson_06
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That is an amazing set. I might have gotten weak in the knees seeing that one.Estate sale this morning. Nice late 20's partial. I think this is my first P&C wingnut socket and earliest 4 pt.
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Thanks. It's nice finding a set where you can be a lot more confident that the unmarked stuff (like the sockets and sliding T handle here) that you've been finding with P&C stuff is in fact P&C.
Private Lugnutz
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A belated congrats, Mr. X. I am playing catch-up on this thread. Fantastic find.
Looks like it was an option, 6008 ("Short") or 6008B ("with Shank").
As you probably already know, there is a really nice figure and contents list of that set (if I'm not mistaken, it's the 29-pc Set No. 6129) on page 6 of the 1928 No. 7 catalog. I admire the way their earliest steel socket set boxes had that lip around the edges, giving it the same look as the wooden boxes their earliest socket sets came in. It's an interesting set. Besides that long U-joint it had a screwdriver bit and a drag link bit. I am looking forward to watching you complete it! (Heck, having seen photos of your early P&C orphans, I am guessing you may even have some of the missing pieces already.)
Thanks! I maybe could complete it now if I used pieces from the early 30's, but not if I try to stay 28ish. That's interesting about the U joint. I don't have it front of me now but I looked at the catalog and it looked like the picture had a different screwdriver bit than the inventory. I have the one from the pic for sure.
Just yesterday a friend of mine whose name you might recognize from the G503, Greg K., made the exact same comment about the box looking like a wood one.
Private Lugnutz
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It is confusing. In the inventory of ALL 1/2-inch drive pieces (regardless of set) on page 4, they show the 6011 screwdriver bit (that goes in your set) and the screwdriver bits they sold as a screwdriver bit set (93X model numbers), listed and shown separately on page 27. Except for the knurling on the 93X bits, it's hard for me to tell the difference between them and the 6011, but I think I see what you mean. The 6011 on page 4 does not have knurling. The bit in the box in the figure on page 6 is supposed to be a 6011, but it has knurling like the 93X bits.
That's an interesting coincidence! I didn't know Greg lived in the PNW. One of the two most famous "found" jeep toolkits ever.MR. X said:
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d42jeep
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I saw him at Tower Park a couple of years ago at the big Military Vehicle annual gathering.
-Don
-Don
Capt. Spaulding
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Only P&C I have is a couple sockets.
twertsy
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Estate sale this morning. Nice late 20's partial. I think this is my first P&C wingnut socket and earliest 4 pt.
Can we get some detailed pics of the sockets? Nice Score!!
so it looks like the original owner added the the size markings on these.
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Private Lugnutz
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I guess he got tired of reaching for the wrong socket!
In my opinion, those kinds of owner's marks enhance rather than detract from a tool.
I have a lot of socket sets from the 20's and I never get tired of looking at the machine turning marks.
I guess he got tired of reaching for the wrong socket!
In my opinion, those kinds of owner's marks enhance rather than detract from a tool.
I have a lot of socket sets from the 20's and I never get tired of looking at the machine turning marks.
Right?!
Mintgrun
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I posted this little 402 screwdriver earlier in this thread, but the other day I noticed that I also have a 501. That was a fun discovery.
Outlawmws
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Jay, that almost looks like it has a 1/2" drive in a 3/8's head?
Jay, that almost looks like it has a 1/2" drive in a 3/8's head?
Dunno. It seems to operate properly. I thought the head seems compact for the overall tool size.