Pliers; How Many Is Too Many?

[Private Lugnutz]

From way, way, (way, way) upthread...

(7) very early E.C. Simmons "Oak Leaf" brand,

 

[four.cycle]

Pliers 06/23/26

* 10-inch Slip Joints - no branding - handle pattern similar to early Crescent.

* 10-inch Slip Joints - "Worth" - most likely manufactured for Peck Stow and Wilcox by Diamond Tool, Duluth, Minnesota.

* 10-inch Slip Joints - no branding - handle pattern matches Diamond.

* 8-inch Slip Joints - Diamond Tool, Duluth, Minnesota (damaged on brand stamp)

* Crestaloy 1950-B (Crescent Tool Co., Jamestown, New York) 9-inch Linemans Pliers.

* Diamalloy SL-58 (Diamond Tool, Duluth, Minnesota) 9-inch Linemans Pliers.

* 10-inch angle-jaw groove-joint pliers - no markings, so assume China (PRC)

* NAPA 7 inch Diagonal Cutters. Laser etching is faded, I can't see part number. Most likely manufactured for NAPA by S-K.

* Crescent J-26 (Crescent Tool Co., Jamestown, New York) 7-inch Bent-Nose two-position Slip Joints.

* Kraeuter 1880-3 (Kraeuter Co., Newark New Jersey) 7-inch Linemans Pliers.

* Blackhawk PT-1060 (Blackhawk Mfg. Co., Milwaukee, Wisconsin) 7-inch Diagonal Cutters.

 

[john.k]

Quality pliers always have milled relief around the jointing ......cheap ones have feather edges that burr up ......funny thing is SnapOn pliers now have these cheap features .

 

[LesserSon]

Boker USA No5395 (in 1950 catalog) sidecutter slipjoints with…nested-diamonds grip pattern!?

 

[RTM]

Here is a new grab, Santoro diagonal cutters. Grips made with Keiba cast in. Looks like Santoro was an importer of Japanese and W German tools, but the Keiba makes me think Japan.





It appears Keiba is a decently regarded brand here on GJ. I didn’t see that before I picked them up. I noticed a bit of lost chrome on the jaws, but for the price, I will make them work

 

[Outlawmws]

Made in Japan, likely in the 60's? seem very ell made for that era of Japaneses tools. forged "BF Japan" inside the handles, and with a grip pattern:

 

[d42jeep]

Found an unmarked pair of pliers today at a yard sale. The handle pattern is very familiar but the nut seems odd.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

the nut seems odd.

Those dimples are to upset the last thread and make it a "lock nut" Wiss used 3 to do the same on snips at least . A buddy ground a triangular shaped punch to renew the upset thread when rebuilding/sharpening Wiss snips, particularly for the aviation snips. (Those also take a "checkering file' to renew the gripper teeth)

 

[Fred Knox]

Here is a pair of E.T. Company chain repair pliers. The pliers are stamped "E.T. Co. Norwalk CT" with a "Pat. May 4'20" patent date and is about 7” in length. The patent date corresponds to patent 1,338,804, filed by D.C. Woodworth in 1919 and issued in 1920.

 

[LesserSon]

Sorry for the messy cropped pic - bought five pliers today and haven’t gotten all of them sorted yet. Top is a 45° bend Wm Hjorth Jamestown NY “Auto” on one handle only plier. I removed an improvised nut&bolt holding the halves together as found. I’ll see if I can find something better.

Vacuum-Grip Newport PA battery pliers, tiny Snap-on Tools (Vacuum-Grip inside other handle) dikes. Date code is giving me trouble.

Utica slipjoints, and a small box-joint duckbill pliers. I see “France” clearly enough, but less sure about “A.F & Co.”

I think I see “-TISSER” or “-TISSES” which has to do with cloth (English cognate: tissue) weaving (granted, it also looks like “713548”), but expect “pince à” to precede it, and what’s there looks like “GRAIAT” to me.

EDIT - so this post comes up on search.
LHT Lucien Hugoniot Tissot Hugoniot-Tissot Hugoniot-Perrenoud Cie Co.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I think I see “-TISSER”...[ ]...and what’s there looks like “GRAIAT” to me.

Almost assuredly Hugoniot-Tissot. I know it may be hard to believe with how disfigured that marking is, but I am confident that's what you have there. I have a few of their pliers, exceptionally high quality. I also have an Hugoniot-Tissot hand vise. I'm out, on phone, or I'd link them so you compare markings. If you search this forum on that name, you'll find them.

EDIT: Home now, LS. My HUGONIOT-TISSOT pliers and hand vise, with good markings, linked HERE and HERE.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

“Auto” on one handle only plier.

That is a spectacular marking. Congrats.

 

[LesserSon]

Almost assuredly Hugoniot-Tissot. I know it may be hard to believe with how disfigured that marking is, but I am confident that's what you have there. I have a few of their pliers, exceptionally high quality. I also have an Hugoniot-Tissot hand vise. I'm out, on phone, or I'd link them so you compare markings. If you search this forum on that name, you'll find them.

EDIT: Home now, LS. My HUGONIOT-TISSOT pliers and hand vise, with good markings, linked HERE and HERE.

THANK YOU!
I don’t see a lot of French-made tools, and I buy even less, but like you said, these seem exceptionally well-made.

 

[four.cycle]

Top is a 45° bend Wm Hjorth Jamestown NY “Auto” on one handle only plier.

pretty fabulous.

 

[Targa68]

18 cm / 7" Slip Joint, Bahco 231, Sweden

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I left behind these oddball Button's pattern pliers at the flea market this morning. No markings. It was the tips of the jaws I found intriguing. I have and I have seen some strange variations, from square to blunt, but don't recall any quite like these. If they weren't so symmetrical I might suspect they were whittled.

 

[four.cycle]

Klein pliers 07/18/26

 

[LesserSon]

No markings.

“N \ IERS” at least. Maybe “BUTTON’S PATTERN \ PLIERS,” like you said, but if the top line is that long, then something in front of “PLIERS” on the second line would be more symetrical.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

^ Maybe. It may have to wait until next Friday to inspect it closer. They're sitting right under here (circled corner),...



...but it's almost 0800 and normally Dependable Don isn't even here yet.

 

[theoldwizard1]

I am not a tool "collector". If I have a tool because I use it. Maybe not often, but it gets used.

I have one drawer for just "locking" pliers (Vise-Grips) and a second drawer for pliers/cutters. 5 or 6 needle nose, from tiny to very long and curved. 6 or 7 cutters/snips. 5 or 6 arc joint (CHANNELOCK)

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Maybe “BUTTON’S PATTERN \ PLIERS,” like you said,

As it turns out..., marked only "BUTTON" \ "PLIERS". Perfectly aligned. And exactly the same on the flip side.



The price was FREE. After I teased Don about bankers' hours and we exchanged 'it ***** getting old' stories about hips and knees and coffee, I helped him take the clips and the tarps off all his stuff. (Good eye, LS. As I have significantly increased my selectivity and reduced my take-home, I have taken to going satchel-less. But that's where my loupe is! My phone has a magnifier, but I often forget that it does. No excused though. I just naked eyed that yesterday.)

 

[Leviton]

P&C making no effort at disguise. These look exactly like P&C 1276 pliers; even the length and handle pattern match - the only exception is that the P&C marked 1276 pliers have polished chrome portions. These are all satin chrome. All they did was replace the "P&C" in the logo outline with "U.S.A."




6.4 inches long.

Markings:
“U.S.A.”(in the squished hex P&C outline) (R) U.S.A. 6”
“S4” forge mark on one handle, and something on other handle that is hard to discern (OB4?)

 

[Private Lugnutz]

P&C making no effort at disguise.

I'm having a deja vu right now. I KNOW we've seen these before and I posted a bunch of research. They were the economy line.

EDIT: Found it. Last November. Click HERE and scroll down.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

All they did was replace the "P&C" in the logo outline with "U.S.A."

And trademarked it! No kidding. Again, click the link above and scroll. It's fascinating.

 

[Leviton]

I'm having a deja vu right now. I KNOW we've seen these before and I posted a bunch of research. They were the economy line.

EDIT: Found it. Last November. Click HERE and scroll down.

Thanks Lugz! - I missed that.

 

[four.cycle]

Oooooo... one more to look out for.
Stopping by my favorite oddball-pliers supplier today.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

X-linking Atlas Battery Pliers.

 

[Leviton]

Can you help me figure out who this D-with-an-arrow mark belongs to?

The monogram is on a not-super-well-made pair of combo slip-joint pliers that have a screwdriver tip on one handle. Handles are plain. At one time the pliers were painted black. The pivot is a rivet. They are 6.5 inches long. The jaws must be quite soft as the teeth are flattened and deformed.

No markings other than the arrow through the D at the same location on each side of the pliers. The arrow goes through the "D" from right to left with the fletching on the right side and the arrowhead on the left side.

Thanks.

 

[Ayrhead]

A smaller pair of pliers. No name. I’m wondering if they came out of a child’s toolkit as they are only 1/8” thick…

 

[Outlawmws]

Being a full 6" I'd say a GlobeMaster table is a more likely source.

 

[Ayrhead]

A smaller pair of pliers. No name. I’m wondering if they came out of a child’s toolkit as they are only 1/8” thick…

I did a quick search and found quite a few thin nose slip joint combination pliers… so far I have a a Pexto one that looks similar…

 

[Private Lugnutz]

X-Linking H.D. Smith GITATIT offsets.

 

[oldpliers1]

I would like to show you some of my stuff I have collected since a teenager apprentice as I live a long way from the Americas most have been sourced locally and a few items from USA

 

[Leviton]

I would like to show you some of my stuff I have collected since a teenager apprentice as I live a long way from the Americas most have been sourced locally and a few items from USA

Nice collection - and nice display board.

 

[Stubby1743]

These are special, but I'm not sure why. Is it that they are not nickel plated?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

These are special, but I'm not sure why. Is it that they are not nickel plated?

I can't see anything other than finish that would distinguish these from any other example of the L25 thin nose slip-joint plier, Stubby. And yet that seems irrational to me. Typically, natural steel (or any applied alternative finish) would be a less expensive, economy line. Stamping something extra on them, including "SPECIAL", almost seems counterintuitive to that.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

@Stubby1743
Something about your pliers and your question and a second cup of coffee jogged my memory. I HAVE a pair of L25 "SPECIAL" pliers, they are most decidedly nickel-plated, and I asked myself the same question!

You can click on my quote to the original post in the Crescent thread.

I was impressed with how well-made and mint-y these L25's are. Not sure what the "SPECIAL" refers to. With the screwdriver tip ground on the end of the handle, they are older than the catalog (1942) excerpt.

What we obviously need are a pair of L25 pliers that are not marked "SPECIAL"!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

^ Found one. Plated. No screwdriver handle end. Is that a screwdriver handle end I see on yours? If so, I think that's the answer. Mine has it. Yours has it. @Provincial 's does not.

More than just adjustable wrenches, post up your vintage Crescent tools

group picture

www.garagejournal.com

 

[Stubby1743]

Yes, mine have a screwdriver handle.

Also, according to this extract from the AA site, my pliers should have been marked L35 as they are in black finish.

"By 1919 Crescent had introduced a model number system for its tools, which consisted of an alphabetic prefix followed by a number. The prefix indicated the type of tool, and the first digit of the number encoded the finish as 1=polish, 2=nickel, and 3=black. The remaining part of the number then indicated the size in inches.

For example, the "G26" model indicated MoToR KiT combination pliers ("G") with a nickel finish ("2") in the 6 inch size."

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yes, mine have a screwdriver handle.

That's the answer.

I can't explain the finish - you can see the type/finish/OAL numbering scheme for yourself in the many Crescent catalogs on IA/ITCL, except stamping mistake or all the plating wore off, of which you don't need me to suggest the first seems more likely.