-DonThat almost looks like the 241 light duty style. What do the handle grips look like?After seeing Roy’s cool finds, the water pump pliers I found at yesterday’s estate sale were just sort of a letdown.
They aren’t Name-Nurl so I wonder when they were made?
'Zackly. And they had plenty of company. Early detachable socket wrench drive tool sets I have with male drive tangs include Charles Miller, Mossberg, Syracuse, Chicago Mfging and Distributing, Eastern Machine Screw, Spezial Werkzeuge Fabrik (imports), and - less exotically, more akin to Plomb - Herbrand! The approach, which I have called more natural than female drive openings in similar conversations in the past here, dates back to the late 1800s with primitive Greene Tweed ratchet attachments for railroad and bridge building industries.
Nice! I dig through my early catalogs and every ell wrench has the same sockets sizes on each end. Good stuffI've been too busy to go through and post much lately. Here are some things that I've had for a while. They came from estate sales.
1/2 drive and 3/8 drive socket rails
Double L wrench, but it is 1/2 x 5/8, which is non-standard
DOE LA obstruction wrench, which would be a 1/2 x 9/16 N89, but doesn't have the part number
The L is pretty beat up, with no legible markings except the "PLOMB". There is a D that appears to be part of an owner's mark. I haven't found an L in a catalog that has different openings on the same wrench.
Very nice find on the socket rails!I've been too busy to go through and post much lately. Here are some things that I've had for a while. They came from estate sales.
1/2 drive and 3/8 drive socket rails
Double L wrench, but it is 1/2 x 5/8, which is non-standard
DOE LA obstruction wrench, which would be a 1/2 x 9/16 N89, but doesn't have the part number
The L is pretty beat up, with no legible markings except the "PLOMB". There is a D that appears to be part of an owner's mark. I haven't found an L in a catalog that has different openings on the same wrench.
That thing is a beast and dually! Nice grab.speaking of big bertha- here's my big bertha 86a chisel recently acquired. Thing is huge-1"x18" Note it's size next to a 1244 combo wrench
Here are some pictures of the water pump pliers including the handles.
BK. I was considering selling off my collection as I was going through some difficult medical issues but now I am back stronger than ever. I am getting back into Plomb collecting as the community is great and I did miss it.The venerable "Dodge Six" hauled lots of troops to the battlefield during WWII.
I thought you were no longer collecting Plomb? I'm confused.
No worries. Just Plomb. I do have a couple pieces of proto as well such as a pebble ratchet, 5449-D, and a few dual marked.
Interesting. I will have to check mine now. They do not have the JP Danielson grips so they may be pre acquisition.Here are some pictures of the water pump pliers including the handles.
BK, Roy is ramping up his Plomb collecting. He is currently one of the larger collectors and has recently been finding some rare and cool pieces.
-Don
What is theory you are trying to prove or debunk with the grind off?
that it was caught in pre production during the lawsuit and that the plomb name was ground off before plating
Understood. Most grind off tools were factory seconds vs lawsuit tools. Plomb stamping would be where the Proto is on that extension. I have only 1 example of a true lawsuit grind off tools shown here with a grind off and restamp of this 3061 pebble wrench.
thanks for the help!, thats an awesome wrench!Understood. Most grind off tools were factory seconds vs lawsuit tools. Plomb stamping would be where the Proto is on that extension. I have only 1 example of a true lawsuit grind off tools shown here with a grind off and restamp of this 3061 pebble wrench.
Either way it's a nice extension. Those short ones can be hard to find! Thanks for posting.
Anytime and thank you. If you ever have any questions do not hesitate to ask.
That is a Utica "Smooth Panel" variant. Utica has 3 variants that I know of.I found an unusual Plomb adjustable wrench at yesterday’s estate sale. It has a square jaw like wrenches sourced from Utica or those made in the former Danielson factory but is missing features of both of those manufacturers. Danielson style adjustables have broached hanging holes along with date codes. Utica sourced wrenches have raised areas on the throat of the wrenches. This one is missing all of the above features. Is this one of the rare Diamond sourced wrenches? If so, the square jaws are unexpected.
Utica sourced above Danielson styles adjustables.
-Don
Hi Don,Thanks Roy, I have a 12” smooth panel Utica made adjustable but it has a reinforced hanging hole which this one doesn’t have. I wonder when both variants were made?
Utica and Plomb.
-Don
It could have been. That would have been a pretty short window, late war to 1946, right before the Danielson purchase. I cleaned mine up yesterday. It’s in surprisingly good condition.Hi Don,
I have not looked that close. Of my 4 I have 1 with the reinforced broach hole and 3 without. Maybe it was a mid model change?
Looks good! If I remember correctly I think Plomb started offer adjustables around 1938 and started with the obround Logo.It could have been. That would have been a pretty short window, late war to 1946, right before the Danielson purchase. I cleaned mine up yesterday. It’s in surprisingly good condition.
-Don
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That one is sort of new for me. The reason it is sort of new is previous to the pebble era they did run an "S" line of DOEs that has standard part number with a -s for example 3061-S. They designated non standard size combinations. These seem to be more previlant around 1940 and 1941 based on date codes. Now there is something to be said about the 3061 pebble. Coincidentally I have a 3061 was that was a grind off and restamped to Proto LA with about the same stamping size as above. One could theorize that they may have had a larger stock of the 3061s and that is maybe why this one was modified.Fellow Plombers,
@GemState10ER PM'ed me to ask about an interesting 3061 he found. I gave him my thoughts and recommended he post it on the Plomb thread. Relatively new to GJ, and still learning how to navigate, he must've searched for 'Plomb' and ended up posting it here...
Old plomb stuff
Hey all, I'm clearing out some old tools, there is lots of interest. What do you think these are valued at? The plomb socket set is 1/2 drive shallow 12pt none missing 7/16 to 1 1/8, have lots of plomb pebble combos and double boxes
I am moving his photos for him. See below.
My thoughts were...
I can't find a better explanation that Plomb used the 3061 wrench dies/molds to make the same basic wrench, dimensionally, but then milled and finished the 1-7/16" open end to 1-5/8" instead, ground off the "7/16" forged-in die marking, and replaced that by stamping the much smaller "5/8" marking right over the splotched steel. They also stamped in an "S". Making it a 3061 S (for Special). Because it had a Pebble panel, the grinding is much more obvious, and there was no way to even try to make it less noticeable.
I have a WF-8 "S" (1/4-inch drive version) but I couldn't recall if we had seen any other Specials before, let alone a big *** modified DOE, in the Pebble or any other era, and I suggested that @r_olson_06 and perhaps others might know.
That one is sort of new for me. The reason it is sort of new is previous to the pebble era they did run an "S" line of DOEs that has standard part number with a -s for example 3061-S. They designated non standard size combinations. These seem to be more previlant around 1940 and 1941 based on date codes. Now there is something to be said about the 3061 pebble. Coincidentally I have a 3061 was that was a grind off and restamped to Proto LA with about the same stamping size as above. One could theorize that they may have had a larger stock of the 3061s and that is maybe why this one was modified.Fellow Plombers,
@GemState10ER PM'ed me to ask about an interesting 3061 he found. I gave him my thoughts and recommended he post it on the Plomb thread. Relatively new to GJ, and still learning how to navigate, he must've searched for 'Plomb' and ended up posting it here...
Old plomb stuff
Hey all, I'm clearing out some old tools, there is lots of interest. What do you think these are valued at? The plomb socket set is 1/2 drive shallow 12pt none missing 7/16 to 1 1/8, have lots of plomb pebble combos and double boxes
I am moving his photos for him. See below.
My thoughts were...
I can't find a better explanation that Plomb used the 3061 wrench dies/molds to make the same basic wrench, dimensionally, but then milled and finished the 1-7/16" open end to 1-5/8" instead, ground off the "7/16" forged-in die marking, and replaced that by stamping the much smaller "5/8" marking right over the splotched steel. They also stamped in an "S". Making it a 3061 S (for Special). Because it had a Pebble panel, the grinding is much more obvious, and there was no way to even try to make it less noticeable.
I have a WF-8 "S" (1/4-inch drive version) but I couldn't recall if we had seen any other Specials before, let alone a big *** modified DOE, in the Pebble or any other era, and I suggested that @r_olson_06 and perhaps others might know.
Here is my list of 30XX-S
