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I think they had numerical year followed by quarter in a A-D format. While I am not sure this was proven.
Thanks, Roy. I don't recall, honestly. It's certainly consistent with the 7, 8, 9, 0, 1, 2, and 3 year codes on the earlier PLOMB LA period, which also had letters. If there aren't any higher than D, quarters make sense, it's just not something I ever delved into.
 
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Thanks, Roy. I don't recall, honestly. It's certainly consistent with the 7, 8, 9, 0, 1, 2, and 3 year codes on the earlier PLOMB LA period, which also had letters. If there aren't any higher than D, quarters make sense, it's just not something I ever delved into.
For the part numbered (1927-1941) they ran this date code system before switching to the 2 letter system. I have only ever seen the A-D after the year number.
 

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I think they had numerical year followed by quarter in a A-D format. While I am not sure this was proven.
You guys are right I thought the letter after the number was the month. Most of the sockets are 5A,B,C,D and one of them is 9B and it is non Los Angeles.
 

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Most of the sockets are 5A,B,C,D and one of them is 9B and it is non Los Angeles.
Thanks.

One more question. What was the source of the set?

I'll explain where I'm going with all this curiosity.

EDIT: If you're just catching up, z, you can ignore the following. Irrelevant.

Looks can be deceiving, of course, but the tools looked they could be original to each other. Not onesy-twosied, as Roy alluded to. The whole set, including the box, has that vibe.

While it may be odd to see "PLVMB LOS ANGELES" era marked sockets in a "PLVMB MADE IN U.S.A" era box, the production was not decades apart. As Don alluded to, the opposite - with later "PLVMB MADE IN U.S.A." tools put inside a seemingly endless supply of older "PLOMB LOS ANGELES" boxes, was certainly true, and well known. But the weirdness doesn't end there. Not every 3/8-drive speeder fits in every 3/8-drive box, which is maddening, and indicates some strange sources.

Within that context, who knows how long they were still using up old stock LA tools when the newer MADE IN U.S.A. boxes were introduced.

I'm not arguing the box is original to the set. I'm just saying I don't find it terribly implausible that it could be. Four years (from 1935) is a pretty long time for old stock. That would give me pause - if not for that '39 socket.

All I'm saying is that if your source was the basement of an older gentleman's estate sale, not another collector on eBay, I might not be so quick to separate the tools from the box.
 
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Thanks.

One more question. What was the source of the set?

I'll explain where I'm going with all this curiosity.

Looks can be deceiving, of course, but the tools looked they could be original to each other. Not onesy-twosied, as Roy alluded to. It gives the whole ser that vibe.

While it may be odd to see "PLVMB LOS ANGELES" era marked sockets in a "PLVMB MADE IN U.S.A" era box, the production was not decades apart. As Don alluded to, the opposite - with later "PLVMB MADE IN U.S.A." tools put inside a seemingly endless supply of older "PLOMB LOS ANGELES" boxes, was certainly true, and well known. But the weirdness doesn't end there. Not every 3/8-drive speeder fits in every 3/8-drive box, which is maddening, and indicates some strange sources.

Within that context, who knows how long they were still using up old stock LA tools when the newer MADE IN U.S.A. boxes were introduced.

I'm not arguing the box is original to the set. I'm just saying I don't find it terribly implausible that it could be. Four years (from 1935) is a pretty long time for old stock. That would give me pause - if not for that '39 socket.

All I'm dating is that if your source was the basement of an older gentleman's estate sale, not another collector on eBay, I might not be so quick to separate the tools from the box.
Lugz,
Since their was only 1 socket that is 9B do think it would be possible to be a replacement due to warranty or breakage? I still find it odd that their is 4 quarters worth of production there. You would think the date stamps being closer together unless they were going through a massive backlog.
I have an original Plomb LA set with the period correct case (I have not seen another). Let me do some checking and post the results.
 

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Since their was only 1 socket that is 9B do think it would be possible to be a replacement due to warranty or breakage?
Yes.
I still find it odd that their is 4 quarters worth of production there.
Unless a collector even squirrelier than the squirreliest of us all wanted to assemble a set of all 1935 matching year code sockets, yes, it's implausible. Note that when I thanked you for reminding me of the theory I have not delved into, I didn't say I subscribed. :)
 

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Yes.

Unless a collector even squirrelier than the squirreliest of us all wanted to assemble a set of all 1935 matching year code sockets, yes, it's implausible. Note that when I thanked you for reminding me of the theory I have not delved into, I didn't say I subscribed. :)
Your in too deep now😆
 

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You're in too deep now
Yeah, I need to climb up for some fresh air before another case of Study/Survey/Research thread-itis breaks out.

(Cracking myself up..., "looks can be deceiving," but a hinge handle that won't fit in the box is kind of hard to miss! :))

Since YOU're going to delve into it, it probably would be beneficial to know the source and see the entire inventory of @z28lsc 's 1/2-drive "set". It would be interesting to see the distribution of the letters. If they're almost all D, for example, with only one A and a few of the others, or vice versa. Same with your PLOMB LA set and box.

My 1/2- and 3/8-drive sets won't help. The 1/2-drive set was found intact in its original LA box, but the tools are wartime Pebble PLVMB MADE IN U.S.A. era, and the 3/8-drive kit is a complete but completely cobbled together wartime PLVMB WF- set in a PLVMB MADE IN U.S.A. box.
 
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Sweet.

I wasn't aware that anyone had worked out a month scheme for the letters that accompany the 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 found on PLVMB "LA" era tools.

What are the year codes? I'm not asking for a piece-by-piece inventory, just curious about the groupings and range.
when the "group experts" rush in to school the newbies on the Plomb Enthusiast site by telling them which MONTH their 30's Plomb Tool was made I can't help but think of the original Point Break bank robber / surfing theory...."4 months" ''we won't see them again until next January" "they're traveling on the money...going where the waves are...." Pendleton and Williams are making tools...to finance their Endless Summer!
 

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Rgr/Ack. Not a member.
Not a member either but post very occasionally thru an associates account. The site can come up with some good stuff but in general the members aren't real big on requesting sources when a supposed expert makes evidence free definitive declarations.
 

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Oh boy… I’m a long time lurker and casual poster over there. Most times it hurts my brain and is hard to show restraint. Mostly like herding cats
So level check question

With GJ > FB groups level of expertise, where do many Reddit groups end up on that spectrum? Just asking, not a member of any brand specific sites.
 

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Plomb Tools Enthusiasts and Collectors Facebook site.
I don't go to that page often, but it is good for a chuckle every once in a while. Unless I see Roy or Wayne Brammer post something there to catch my eye, I just move along.
EDIT: My conscience quickly got the best of me after I posted and will apologize if that sounds condescending, but that FB page just isn't useful to me. I'm sure others probably enjoy it. There...I feel better.
 
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Thanks.

One more question. What was the source of the set?

I'll explain where I'm going with all this curiosity.
I found the set local. The guy that sold it to me said it was his dad's and He was a collector. I also got some other plomb goodies from him and he said there's more stuff to come.
 

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I found the set local. The guy that sold it to me said it was his dad's and He was a collector.
Cool. Thanks. My question, already a little moot - with me so intent on rationalizing the box also possibly being original to the tools that I didn't notice the drive mismatch, was made even more moot with you reporting all the year codes, leaving zero doubt that set has been together since 1935. But even without that level of detail, the appearance - identical finish and condition of every tool - exudes its originality.
 

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Local FB Marketplace photo…no name brands mentioned. Tools not even turned to show makers marks. $15.00. 10 miles from me. I’m sure some GJ regulars can see the value.
I see the stubby driver but is that a Snappy fixed head breaker bar as well?! Also looks like maybe a pebble flex head breaker bar. Nice score.
 

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For the part numbered (1927-1941) they ran this date code system before switching to the 2 letter system. I have only ever seen the A-D after the year number.
Well every great idea seems good on paper until validated against reality. Here is a list of my "original" socket set.

As you can see by the pattern there is no pattern. I could run a statistical analysis but there appears be no correlation🤣

After digging in a bit there appears to be one E stamp as well now that has me questing my judgment. Going through my other pre 1940 date codes stuff it appears to be my only one so not sure what to think of it. Maybe it is overtime on Christmas day for legendary 5th quarter.🤣

Lastly after digging through my pre 1940 I also have a 3/8" drive socket with the date code of 30 A and that is a unicorn as well.

Any Plomb collectors have either an Los Angeles piece with E code or anything with 2 numerical followed by an alpha character?

I am at a loss @Private Lugnutz
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This might be a leap year socket on the right. Most of the ones I’ve checked so far are A, B, C or D. I’ll keep looking.IMG_2364.jpeg
Another oddball.IMG_1160.jpeg
What is this letter?IMG_9788.png
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This might be a leap year socket on the right. Most of the ones I’ve checked so far are A, B, C or D. I’ll keep looking.IMG_2364.jpeg
-Don
Hi Don,
Thanks for sharing.
See if you have any Los Angeles ones with the E stamping.
 

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As you know, I have traded away many of my LA tools as I tend to concentrate on tools made after the transition to tools marked Made in USA in the late ‘30s. A check of my remaining LA tools don’t seem to show any examples other than A, B, C or D. This photo captured from the old Plombob website may be of interest, however.
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I would think that any prewar Plomb tool with odd date markings would be of interest. At least they are to me.IMG_0344.jpegIMG_7872.jpeg
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-Don
 

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As you know, I have traded away many of my LA tools as I tend to concentrate on tools made after the transition to tools marked Made in USA in the late ‘30s. A check of my remaining LA tools don’t seem to show any examples other than A, B, C or D. This photo captured from the old Plombob website may be of interest, however.
IMG_1135.jpeg
I would think that any prewar Plomb tool with odd date markings would be of interest. At least they are to me.IMG_0344.jpegIMG_7872.jpeg
IMG_5520.jpeg

IMG_0373.jpeg
IMG_1160.jpeg

-Don
Hi Don,
Understood, the F on the ratchet as well is another and the examples of the E & F markings makes the quarter non feasible theory.
 

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The 2 spinners, and one being a stubby would hook me. All pieces look like quality.
Yeah, at the price, the stub handle and the fixed head breaker with the knurled handle were enough to make the deal. I haven't cleaned anything yet...Bonney box, Plomb 1/4 and 9/32 stuff, Cal Air, Hinsdale, Long C Craftsman, Blackhawk, Snap On ...I used to score these quality mix socket boxes all the time but it's been awhile.
 

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Hi Don,
Understood, the F on the ratchet as well is another and the examples of the E & F markings makes the quarter non feasible theory.
Any letters higher than "F"?

With only 6 letters in use it might be something like a=Jan/Fab, B = Mar/Apr etc as far fetched as that seems.

Or it could be a plant or line designation. or a marking for the forging dies to track wear.



stub handle


is the stubby a 9/32? its completely unlike the Deco 4B8809 9/32 stubby
 

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As you know, I have traded away many of my LA tools as I tend to concentrate on tools made after the transition to tools marked Made in USA in the late ‘30s. A check of my remaining LA tools don’t seem to show any examples other than A, B, C or D. This photo captured from the old Plombob website may be of interest, however.
IMG_1135.jpeg
I would think that any prewar Plomb tool with odd date markings would be of interest. At least they are to me.
Thanks for sharing that. Gonna make a copy when I get home, that is a great resource.
 

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Any letters higher than "F"?

With only 6 letters in use it might be something like a=Jan/Fab, B = Mar/Apr etc as far fetched as that seems.

Or it could be a plant or line designation. or a marking for the forging dies to track wear.






is the stubby a 9/32? its completely unlike the Deco 4B8809 9/32 stubby
My stubby is 1/4” drive. IMG_4451.jpegIMG_3609.jpeg
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Any letters higher than "F"?

With only 6 letters in use it might be something like a=Jan/Fab, B = Mar/Apr etc as far fetched as that seems.

Or it could be a plant or line designation. or a marking for the forging dies to track wear.






is the stubby a 9/32? its completely unlike the Deco 4B8809 9/32 stubby
No it's a standard Plomb 4767 1/4" drive. A couple of these Plomb sockets are 9/32 as is the Cal-Air and a Hinsdale. There is a 4847 Proto 1/4 to 9/32 adapter here too.
 

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No it's a standard Plomb 4767 1/4" drive. A couple of these Plomb sockets are 9/32 as is the Cal-Air and a Hinsdale. There is a 4847 Proto 1/4 to 9/32 adapter here too.
Nice score! Solid fixed head breaker bar being Blackhawk!
 
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