Plomb tool picture thread - show your stuff!

[Private Lugnutz]

Got any P&C catalog pdfs anywhere you can think of?

?? The Tool Archives, of course! There are fourteen (14) P&C catalogs between 1926 and the 1960's. Are you not a member? Link here.

 

[RubiconJK]

^ RagTopTA, the lug wrench is fabulous.



It's an early cotter pin removing tool. They were made by a number of different companies. Some of the larger Mossberg socket sets included them.
Here's a couple early catalog snips - they were made with points on both ends or with one pointed end and one flat end:

Thanks! I've already used it once but not for its intended purpose evidently! Appreciate the info.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I have only seen a P&C ratchet that had some pebble I think... other than that..

Well, if the odds were 50/50 ratchet or 4-way lug wrench, it's less amazing.

 

[drivesitfar]

Rag: I was thinking by your post that it was pretty big and might have been a pipe wrench, but if 3Bay really just guessed what it was. GEEESH that's AMAZING.

nice find and good for you for going back for another look.

Rub: funny the maintenance guy at the storage unit i lease a unit at uses that tool to pull new rubber door seals out from under the door so they'll (the rubber sealer) lay flat.

 

[RubiconJK]

Rag: I was thinking by your post that it was pretty big and might have been a pipe wrench, but if 3Bay really just guessed what it was. GEEESH that's AMAZING.

nice find and good for you for going back for another look.

Rub: funny the maintenance guy at the storage unit i lease a unit at uses that tool to pull new rubber door seals out from under the door so they'll (the rubber sealer) lay flat.

Yep, wish I'd had this a long time ago. Handy little tool that is staying on top of my bench. Glad I could resurrect it!

 

[3baygarage]

Sweet score!

I sort of knew what it could be with a little bit of photographic memory. Plus I’ve seen a lot of tools. Plus I may have some psychic ability.

Plus Flatland Dave has one as his avatar! :

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216917

 

[LesserSon]

Thanks! I've already used it once but not for its intended purpose evidently! Appreciate the info.

I had one of those until I lost it. Never knew it was for cotter pins, but the flat end worked fantasic to open gallon-size paint cans, and the pointed end was good at clearing paint from the trough in the rim.
2018 Easter Egg Hunt

 

[RagTopTA]

?? The Tool Archives, of course! There are fourteen (14) P&C catalogs between 1926 and the 1960's. Are you not a member? Link here.

I am but I have never been able to get my dang password to work. I got it changed! Looking at the catalogs now to see what year has the pebbled 4 way!

Rag: I was thinking by your post that it was pretty big and might have been a pipe wrench, but if 3Bay really just guessed what it was. GEEESH that's AMAZING.

nice find and good for you for going back for another look.

I usually try to do a second look when I go somewhere new! you just never know what you missed the first time around.

Sweet score!

I sort of knew what it could be with a little bit of photographic memory. Plus I’ve seen a lot of tools. Plus I may have some psychic ability.

Plus Flatland Dave has one as his avatar! :


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216917

Good job then 3Bay!!! hahaha you had us all going!

 

[RubiconJK]

I had one of those until I lost it. Never knew it was for cotter pins, but the flat end worked fantasic to open gallon-size paint cans, and the pointed end was good at clearing paint from the trough in the rim.

That is actually similar to what I was doing with it yesterday while cleaning some gunk out of some tight spots on some old tools

 

[Catfishdan]

Bam!!

$5

Very nice find for a great price. I only have one pebble p&c- a 1/4" ratchet.

 

[RubiconJK]

My complete set of Plomb Wilpen DBE offset wrenches. As some will know, these were sold by Plomb as an economy line of DBE's and are of very similar design as the Plomb 818X wrenches and in fact use the same numbering scheme.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Briefly back on the 1948-1949 Plomb-Proto transition topic, here are some pics of a J.P. Danielson made PLVMBALVY 708-S 8" adjustable that I found at a flea market last year. Excuse the brown crud, which is paint that I have left up to its new owner to keep or remove. The appearance does not mar the most interesting part of this wrench, which is in its date code: J.2.8. (February 1948)!

 

[twertsy]

Briefly back on the 1948-1949 Plomb-Proto transition topic, here are some pics of a J.P. Danielson made PLVMBALVY 708-S 8" adjustable that I found at a flea market last year. Excuse the brown crud, which is paint that I have left up to its new owner to keep or remove. The appearance does not mar the most interesting part of this wrench, which is in its date code: J.2.8. (February 1948)!

Wow, that's interesting.

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[RubiconJK]

Briefly back on the 1948-1949 Plomb-Proto transition topic, here are some pics of a J.P. Danielson made PLVMBALVY 708-S 8" adjustable that I found at a flea market last year. Excuse the brown crud, which is paint that I have left up to its new owner to keep or remove. The appearance does not mar the most interesting part of this wrench, which is in its date code: J.2.8. (February 1948)!

Lugz,
Is the significance of the '48 date code the presence of the broached hole? AA notes that after Plomb's acquisition of JPD in 1947 they dropped the broached hole in '48 onward.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Lugz,
Is the significance of the '48 date code the presence of the broached hole? AA notes that after Plomb's acquisition of JPD in 1947 they dropped the broached hole in '48 onward.

And the fact that they were branding them with a forged-in PLOMBALOY in 1948 - pursuant to the discussion about when the dual brandings started, i.e., 48? as AA says and as we see on the questionable stamped tools, or 49? as TA says based on the Time/Duke U articles.

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

I had a little spare time this weekend and decided to put together a pebble tool board for an open area over my bench. Still have a ways to go but I got part of it filled in this afternoon. I got the sticker from Smokeshow a while back and decided this would be a good place for it. Still a bit of collecting to go to get it filled in but it's a start. I've got some doe's to add and probably some ratchets and breaker bars. Anyone else built a display board for their Plomb collection?

 

[48548]

Looks great...

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[Rileysan]

I found this combo wrench in my stash tonight and I didn't even know I had it!

Plomb NAF 1147 USN 9/16" combo

Brian

 

[Provincial]

Nice board Ed! I have one for a Williams combo set to make in the future.

My Plombs are hanging on a piece of 3/4 plywood using drywall screws that I attached to the back of a HF 44" roller. Not pretty, but organized.

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Thanks Jock. I always liked having wrenches hanging in order as it makes it super easy to pull them when you need one. The Plombs still need occasional use. Ed

 

[Rileysan]

Then that really is an eerily good guess, because it could've been anything. It wouldn't matter if 3bay has one or has seen one, you're not showing enough of the tool to know that it's not something else. All we see is the logo on a pebble field. It could be any pebble P&C tool. Unless the 4-way lug wrench was the only thing they made that was pebbled, and I don't think that's the case. I'm sure 3bay will enlighten us soon.

I have one too and even if I didn't, I knew what it was. It is so unique that all it takes is seeing it once and you'll never forget it. I doubt anything else sold by P&C looks even close.

Brian

 

[RagTopTA]

And the fact that they were branding them with a forged-in PLOMBALOY in 1948 - pursuant to the discussion about when the dual brandings started, i.e., 48? as AA says and as we see on the questionable stamped tools, or 49? as TA says based on the Time/Duke U articles.

Heres all the ones I have, including a Transition adjustable. Dual marked.

 

[d42jeep]

I found this combo wrench in my stash tonight and I didn't even know I had it!

Plomb NAF 1147 USN 9/16" combo

Brian

Very cool. I would be willing to possibly work some sort of trade for that wrench. I have some other Plomb or Craftsman tools available if that is what you would be interested in.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I doubt anything else sold by P&C looks even close.

Having just gone through a bunch of catalogs and as many photos of P&C tools as I could find, I might go even further than doubt. Which is exactly why RagTop's guessing game has turned out to be so supremely ironic. The 4-Way Rim Wrench is apparently the only tool that P&C ever made that bears the full P&C logo (P&C within a hexagon) on a pebble field!

Even the 1/4-inch midget ratchet that they made with a pebble field handle - throw-back style, in 1953, and the only other P&C tool I can even find that even has a pebble field - doesn't have the full logo. Just "P&C".

What makes this whole thing even stranger is the fact that the same image - full P&C logo in a hexagon with a pebble field - boldly graces the cover of the 1947 and 1948 catalogs.

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Why is that strange? Because, while the full P&C logo can be seen on some of the larger flatter pieces in those catalogs, such as pouches and tool boards, none of those logos have a pebbled field, none of the tools in those catalogs have a pebbled field, and the No. 175 4-Way Rim Wrench, shown on page 17 of those catalogs, doesn't even have the flat shield-shaped piece of steel at the nexus of the two shanks to hold a forged-in full logo on a pebbled field. (I am assuming they used an earlier figure of an earlier tool, or the 4-way Rim Wrenches that RagTop, Rileysan, and others have with the pebble logo are later production.)

Of course, going back to RagTop's first image, which only showed the logo on the pebble field...

...to the formerly uninitiated (no problem raising my hand on this one!), it seemed as if RagTop's guessing game was impossible. With the premise that all P&C tools in this era had the full logo on a pebbled field, it would be like guessing which Plomb pebbled tool this logo is on...

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[Private Lugnutz]

Heres all the ones I have, including a Transition adjustable. Dual marked.

The "Transition adjustable" with the stamped dual brandings and the forged-in March 1948 date is very interesting, RagTop. Especially on the heels of me posting my forged-in "PLVMBALVY" with a forged-in February 1948 date!

EDIT: I may have to start a little chart to keep track. Note that Ed has a dual-branded adjustable with a January 1948 forged-in date code. So JPD was shipping blank handles with forged-in date codes to Plomb for stamping as early as January 1948. But they were also shipping adjustable wrenches with forged-in PLVMBALVY as late as a month later. And pipe wrenches with forged-in PLVMB brands well into 1948? That might suggest the blanks were for subsidiaries until Plomb started using them for the dualies.

 

[twertsy]

The "Transition adjustable" with the stamped dual brandings and the forged-in March 1948 date is very interesting, RagTop. Especially on the heels of me posting my forged-in "PLVMBALVY" with a forged-in February 1948 date!

We're honing in..............

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Agreed, but see my edit. I just remembered that Ed (Oregon Rock Crusher) actually has a dual-stamped Plomb / flip side PROTO adjustable that was forged by JPD earlier (January 1948) than my Plombaloy was forged. So they were shipping out blanks (no branding) and then still making forged-in Plombs!

 

[RagTopTA]

Having just gone through a bunch of catalogs and as many photos of P&C tools as I could find, I might go even further than doubt. Which is exactly why RagTop's guessing game has turned out to be so supremely ironic. The 4-Way Rim Wrench is apparently the only tool that P&C ever made that bears the full P&C logo (P&C within a hexagon) on a pebble field!

Even the 1/4-inch midget ratchet that they made with a pebble field handle - throw-back style, in 1953, and the only other P&C tool I can even find that even has a pebble field - doesn't have the full logo. Just "P&C".

What makes this whole thing even stranger is the fact that the same image - full P&C logo in a hexagon with a pebble field - boldly graces the cover of the 1947 and 1948 catalogs.

View media item 81377
Why is that strange? Because, while the full P&C logo can be seen on some of the larger flatter pieces in those catalogs, such as pouches and tool boards, none of those logos have a pebbled field, none of the tools in those catalogs have a pebbled field, and the No. 175 4-Way Rim Wrench, shown on page 17 of those catalogs, doesn't even have the flat shield-shaped piece of steel at the nexus of the two shanks to hold a forged-in full logo on a pebbled field. (I am assuming they used an earlier figure of an earlier tool, or the 4-way Rim Wrenches that RagTop, Rileysan, and others have with the pebble logo are later production.)

Of course, going back to RagTop's first image, which only showed the logo on the pebble field...

...to the formerly uninitiated (no problem raising my hand on this one!), it seemed as if RagTop's guessing game was impossible. With the premise that all P&C tools in this era had the full logo on a pebbled field, it would be like guessing which Plomb pebbled tool this logo is on...

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When I posted it I thought there might be quite a few P&C items that had pebble since I knew of the ratchet, and now this 4 way that has it. I was hoping I would learn more about other tools that had it. it makes me wonder....Why would they only include the pebble design in a couple items out of so many that P&C produced.... And I think the pebble background on the catalog must be the missing pebble field from the wrenches we have been finding that are missing it! I did notice they don't actually show the pebble part in the three catalogs I looked at. So strange.

 

[RagTopTA]

Agreed, but see my edit. I just remembered that Ed (Oregon Rock Crusher) actually has a dual-stamped Plomb / flip side PROTO adjustable that was forged by JPD earlier (January 1948) than my Plombaloy was forged. So they were shipping out blanks (no branding) and then still making forged-in Plombs!

The strange 6" Plomb adjustable has no date codes on it. I looked it over with a magnifying glass and nothing.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The strange 6" Plomb adjustable has no date codes on it. I looked it over with a magnifying glass and nothing.

That's a Utica. Utica supplied Plomb's pliers and adjustable wrenches before 1947, before Plomb bought J.P. Danielson. EDIT: And Utica tools were not date coded.

 

[RagTopTA]

That's a Utica. Utica supplied Plomb's pliers and adjustable wrenches before 1947, before Plomb bought J.P. Danielson. EDIT: And Utica tools were not date coded.

ahh so its earlier then? I was wondering. Its in the best shape out of all of them.

 

[NJ Marty]

Hit a sale over the weekend and got a handful of wrenches for 50 cents each.
They were very grimy but was glad to see one was a Plomb after I used some steel wool on it. The rest were Blue Point wrenches.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

ahh so its earlier then? I was wondering. Its in the best shape out of all of them.

Not too early with the V in the Plomb. But earlier than 1947 for sure. And later than 1934.

 

[twertsy]

Hit a sale over the weekend and got a handful of wrenches for 50 cents each.
They were very grimy but was glad to see one was a Plomb after I used some steel wool on it. The rest were Blue Point wrenches.

Nice find Marty. We don't see too many Round O / 1930 tools out here in the East.

 

[gpw_42]

EDIT: I may have to start a little chart to keep track.

Haha, you said "chart", Lugz!

I'm just starting to dabble in PLVMB items, and need to read through this thread carefully. What gets me excited are the PLVMB pebbles, more than other designs, and know they require careful attention (MADE in USA) to MAYBE be late WW2 era. Am more interested in them as users than GMTK items, especially since mine is based on the '42 MVMTS.

Thanks to Don and Corey for the tutoring!

Steve

 

[twertsy]

Found this trolling eBay the other day for $40 shipped. About fell off my chair. 3/4 drive socket board.

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[RagTopTA]

Found this trolling eBay the other day for $40 shipped. About fell off my chair. 3/4 drive socket board.

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wow man what a great score!! there are three more boards that just popped up on Ebay, in pretty good shape, $99 a board starting. I have to change my settings to All Categories and search PLOMB to find them

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTA...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

heres one, the other two are under the same seller.

 

[Craftsman C-series]

Plvmb goodness

 

[drivesitfar]

Twertsy: love the new tool board and just wondering how somebody ships that and any idea of the cost to ship that the seller paid? or have you shipped stuff like that and do you use USPS or ??

I own a set or two of 3/4 Plvmb sockets and I can tell you that they are not light so not sure that those little hangers will hold the sockets much less that beast of a ratchet.

nice find though and congrats!!

CC: nice Plvmb GOODNESS and any close up pictures to take and post if you haven't already on those would be nice if you have time.

 

[four.cycle]

^ I thought I posted those boards in the "ebay hot deals" thread.

(there were three of them during the last couple weeks, as I recall)

just an FYI here for those of you with no budget restraints:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/302664609031