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Sureshot

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I have some cabinets I want to build as well as some to repair and have been looking at getting a pocket hole jig system. Suggestions?
Cost isn't a huge concern but I do like value in my tools and prefer to buy once.
 
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I’ve had a kreg for over ten years. Manual lock lever. Supplies are sold at hd now. Make sure you use a good glue not just the screws.
For cabinets I only use it for the face frames. Carcass is just screwed together from the outside with glue.


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I second the kreg jig. I have a K3 master system, and it's absolutely fantastic. I actively look for excuses to break it out, even on big projects.

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I have the Kreg....minus the jig. It's just the single guide. It's not as quick as maybe the jig, but a lot more flexible. I just use a clamp to hold it in place.

One important point for when you get ready to screw....

Clamp your pieces both horz and vert. In other words, clamp the two pieces down so the face of the wood is flush against a table or piece of wood....THEN...use a longer clamp to pull them together.

If you don't, the screw will pull the piece with the pocket hole down and you will have a slight lip.
 
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Ya, Kreg.

Like ddawg says.. it takes some time to figure out how to finesse the joints so they come out correct once tightened.

Kinda like the skill of toe nailing studs.. because they move at tightening, takes a bit of experience positioning them.

Practice on scrap till you feel comfortable.

Watch the videos, Kreg and users, notice the use of clamps.

For face frames.. important all your rails and stiles are SAME thickness..

Well, they don't HAVE to be, but it will incur complications if not.

You will be fine.

Marc
 

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Kreg is a fantastic invention. I've used it many times outside of its intention, on 2x framing stock, then use 3" torx screws in the pockets, makes very strong connections.
 

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I have the Porter-Cable unit. Not as popular as the Kreg obviously but I’m loving it. Like someone else said, I’ve used it for things other than cabinets. It’s got a pretty neat system for setup that allows you to easily move along the length of the piece for more holes. Worth a look IMO.
 

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Kreg as well, the secret to a good joint is clamp it well. If it's clamped down to the table tight it will align perfectly.

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Kreg is a fantastic invention. I've used it many times outside of its intention, on 2x framing stock, then use 3" torx screws in the pockets, makes very strong connections.

Kreg now makes a heavy duty version that is intended for 2X materials. Works great for deck railings, etc. Much beefier screws are part of that system as well.
 

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I have a kreg but saw a video of a porter cable version that looks very simple to use. I think either would be sufficient.
 

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I have a kreg for a long time and it its a really great and easy to use tool.
I got the complete set and all three diffrent jigs came in handy at one point.
 

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Ddawg reminded me of something. The kits like mine have riser blocks so you can adjust for material thickness. Ideally you want the screws to protrude in the center of the workpiece. You can do it with the quick clamp piece only but have to play a little to get it where you want it.
I probably haven’t ever used half the stuff in my kit.


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Another vote for Kreg. Made less than 30 miles away from me.

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Side note - the guy who started the company (Craig Sommerfeld) has a GJ worthy garagemahal. My college roommate worked at Kreg for a couple years and we did odd-jobs around his property for extra cash on the weekends. Nice, normal guy.
 

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I have the Porter-Cable unit. Not as popular as the Kreg obviously but I’m loving it. Like someone else said, I’ve used it for things other than cabinets. It’s got a pretty neat system for setup that allows you to easily move along the length of the piece for more holes. Worth a look IMO.

I have some Kreg jigs, mainly bought used for very cheap. If I was starating over I would buy the Porter Cable. It's discounted to around $150 at Menards, and looks really well-made.

https://www.menards.com/main/tools-...15-c-10090.htm?tid=-716176268016024966&ipos=3
 

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I bought a KREG work bench from the KREG web site, just the metal frame and fasteners. I will make a real top. Caster wheels are available.
I saw a KREG work station at Lowe's for about $165 that folds up and can be used with the KREG clamps. I think it would be good for the glue-ups.
 
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I bought the jig from Harbor Freight (all aluminum) and used it for a couple projects. I ended up replacing it with the Kreg K5 kit as the clamp lever in the front is a lot more convenient and the Harbor Freight jig did not fully support the wood around where you drill the hole, which caused some tearout on plywood.
 

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Use fine thread pan head screws for hardwood and course thread for softer woods. The Kreg screws are a square drive as opposed to some pan heads that are Phillips head. The face clamps work the best with the system.
 

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Do you have a small compressor ?

Get a finish gun and narrow crown stapler.

Staples for carcass, finish nailer for everything else.

I made my own pocket hole jig in 1991, still use 1-1/2 staples for cabinet cases.
 

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The Kreg jig is fantastic. I disagree with the learning curve though. I watched a few videos on YouTube and was building face frames right away with mine. You do need to clamp the pieces before installing the screws (as others have said), but otherwise it couldn't be easier to use.

I built this pantry in my kitchen (my very first cabinet project) using the Kreg jig and it turned out great.

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I'm seconding the KREG system, it's well-worth it to get the carrying case with all the pieces, if you're going to use it more-than once. The clamp system is quick to use and when things are glued and screwed, your end product is very robust. I'm only a homeowner and hobbyist, but I enjoy the speed and accuracy that I can get out of knock-down cabinets such-as sold by Panda Kitchen (https://www.pandakitchen.com/), which I've used in kitchens and pantries, and laundry rooms.

My superintendent of operations gave a close scrutiny to the KREG system end-results being installed, and approved.
 

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Thanks everyone. I ordered the K5 Master kit and a few other goodies.

It's nice to have somewhere to get real world opinions. Now to get to work on the repairs and hopefully some stuff for my new to me shop that is basically a blank slate.
 

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aka Larry and drift pin....nice job guys. There is a saw mill near me....nothing but hardwoods....and they carry the Kreg systems, so they must be a great product.
 

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Cool, one thing I wish had done right away is mouting the big jig with the wings on a piece of ply
so it can be easily and securely mounted on a workbenche when needed.
 

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I've had a Kreg forever - I think it's a K2.

The new ones have a ton of features but I can't justify the $$$ as mine works just fine.
 

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I've had the K3, K4, and currently K5. The K5 master system is well thought out, and have features the other two lack. The K4 is, imo, a poor design by Kreg, possibly a cost cutting move. The handle layout is not convenient to use, among other disadvantages, compared to the K3 and K5.
I like the quick clamping mechanism of the K5, and it is truly a well thought out design and very user friendly pocket hole jig. I enjoyed using the K3, but the K5 has added features that make it the best out of the bunch.
 

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My Kreg jig is nearly 20 years old. Their customer service is outstanding, no exceptional! Send my bits in for sharpening and they are returned quickly and very sharp! Made quite a few cabinets with my kreg and love using it almost as much as I love my bride who bought it for me. Made about 60 miles from where I reside, cool company!
 

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My Kreg jig is nearly 20 years old. Their customer service is outstanding, no exceptional! Send my bits in for sharpening and they are returned quickly and very sharp!

I've never thought of how I would go about getting my bit sharpened...great tip!

Is everyone using the Kreg brand screws, or is there a more "cost effective" alternative?
 

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I've had the K3, K4, and currently K5. The K5 master system is well thought out, and have features the other two lack. The K4 is, imo, a poor design by Kreg, possibly a cost cutting move. The handle layout is not convenient to use, among other disadvantages, compared to the K3 and K5.
I like the quick clamping mechanism of the K5, and it is truly a well thought out design and very user friendly pocket hole jig. I enjoyed using the K3, but the K5 has added features that make it the best out of the bunch.

Agree on the above analysis, I'll add a few thoughts:

PorterCable unit- nice and works well. Auto material width adjustment is sick. Secondary pockets hole sits on a plastic screw which allows you to adjust the width between the fixed and secondary pocket hole guide. Problem is there's slop in the secondary screw so the pressure of the bit causes it to deflect. Other than this fun little feature, it's a sweet setup. I like it's a self-contained fixture as well. No parts to attach/un-attach.

Kreg R3 - slick little pocket hole jig you can take to the project (doesn't require fixture to setup). https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G3VP3N8/?tag=atomicindus08-20. Small format fits in a little carry case. Though I have a few of Kreg's jigs, I really like this one and use it frequently when I need to do just a few. It' just so simple and the depth setting never slips. There is no dust collection so it never jams up. Messy as hell though.

Kreg K5 - I like this jig. Switching between material thicknesses is easy if you buy a second bit and stop. if you're going up one size (say 1/2" to 3/4") you might just need to swap the bit and lower the guide block. You can also swap in different sized pocket hole fixtures (micro, standard, large) for different pocket hole screw sizes. Micro is great for thinner materials and the large one works for construction grade sized materials (2x's and whatnot). All you do to change between sizes is replace the guide block and you can buy these different guide block assemblies separate when you need them (or don't if you never do). There are a few things that annoy me on it.
  1. the pin that allows you to set the depth slips every so often and slips to the thinner material setting which means the pocket hole it will cut on this setting will have less meat in it/deeper screw hole. If you get to jammin', you can miss that it moved.
  2. the dust port *****. It's not a common size for the hoses I have in the shop so I needed to come up with (or you'll need to find) an adapter that works. The location of the dust port isn't ideal, I find the hose is in the way a bit as I use the machine. The evacuation of the chips is only through a few small holes so if you lose suction it plugs quick.

Kreg Foreman - though this machine is a little more than the others ~$450 on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KXVBOQU/?tag=atomicindus08-20), it's a really really nice machine.
It's fairly easy to setup and change material thicknesses and, once you're setup, you can crush some pocket holes. I built about 26 shaker doors for our office cabinets and used pocket holes for joinery. Once I had the setup I don't think I spent more than a few minutes doing 12 pocket holes on each door. The effort was so insignificant that I can honestly stay the cost is easily worth the efficiently gain. Some Cons
  1. I you get to moving too fast you can easily break the bits. The most common mistake I make is the retraction step of the bit doesn't happen before I start to move the material..."ting", need a new bit.
  2. the dust hose port on this machine is goofy size too.
  3. switching between material thicknesses isn't hard but it's not fast/easy. if this machine has a weakness it's this. You have to adjust the backstop, adjust the depth of the plunge of the bit, and adjust the depth of the material holding foot. There's no detents so there's no fast way.
 
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