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"Pre-Block" Grinders--Where's the Love?

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I finished my 1959 ½ hp Pre-Block grinder restoration the other day. Still working on the home-built stand that came with it.

Thanks to everyone who provided suggestions, advice and guidance—your help made the project much easier. The grinder needed a basic restoration—cleaning and rust removal, new power cord, new rubber feet, rewiring the lamp and on/off switch, painting and replacing several mismatched screws, and of course switching out the 6-inch stone and wire brush for 7-inch versions.

The grinder vibrated a good bit initially, with the major source being a pair of 2 inch washers on the left arbor, inboard of the old wire brush. They had ¾ inch holes while the arbor is 5/8 inch. See my post above relating to the goofy combination of grinding stone and wire wheel “washer” that was on the right arbor. Once all the PO’s gear was removed from the arbors, the vibration cleared right up.

I checked the bearings and found them to be sealed with plastic seals that had a stretchy collar that contacted the inner bearing ring. Since the grinder ran fairly smoothly and there were no scary noises emanating from the bearings, I decided to let them continue their good work. I popped the outer plastic cover off each bearing, carefully removed what dried grease there was and repacked them with fresh grease. I thought the spin down time would increase after the repack but strangely, it went from about 25 seconds to about 17. During the first few test runs with nothing on the arbors, a little of the new grease was forced out of the bearings. I wiped that up until it stopped—it didn’t amount to much leakage.

The power switch was a mess. It was not original—in fact it was a three position switch: off-on-off, but was wired up incorrectly so it did nothing in the first two positions and started the grinder when switched to the far right “Off” position. I wired in a new two position toggle switch and used the original label.

After clearing out all the Mud-dauber nests and about two pounds of old slag, I degreased all the parts and put all the rusty parts into a vinegar bath for about 24 hours. I rinsed and scrubbed everything with 3M pads, used my heat gun to make sure all the water was dried in all the little nooks and crannies and primed them in preparation for painting.

I looked at all the different color combinations from previous restorations and decided to go with a dark bronze overall. For the accents I intended to use X-O Rust Bronze as suggested byPendragon1998 in his very detailed restoration of this same model grinder. https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262651

Turns out Dark Bronze wasn’t really what I was looking for so I went with Rust-Oleum Antique Copper. Of course, the only TrueValue hardware store left in San Antonio doesn’t stock X-O Rust Bronze so I used Krylon Champagne Nouveau Satin for the center panel and the accents. I decided not to paint the lamp cover. It’s Bakelite and I like the look and feel of it on its own.

I also used Pendragon’s suggested rubber feet that worked out very well with only minor modifications. My grinder didn’t have the spark arrestors so I fabricated them out of some aluminum stock I had on hand. I moved the cracked eye shield over to the wire wheel until I can find a replacement.

I ordered two 1 inch diameter, ¼ inch wide aluminum spacers with 5/8 inch centers from McMaster-Carr to use with the wire brush so I don’t have to contend with washers. And instead of using the plastic bushings that came with my new grinding wheels, I ordered a couple of 1 inch bronze sleeve bearings with 5/8 inch centers. BTW, after running with the wheels on for about an hour the spin down time was 32 seconds.

If there is one suggestion I can offer for people restoring their old equipment it’s this: Be very gentle with labels printed on aluminum—the printing is unbelievably delicate. The only sour spot in this whole project was me ruining the grinder’s label within about 10 seconds using no more than a soft nylon brush and de-greaser. Before I knew it, the degreaser had completely obliterated the red Craftsman logo and was well on its way to removing the black printing. I was shocked and devastated because my label was in pretty decent shape—I thought I was just giving it a good cleaning. I’ve requested the Photoshop file Pendragon created for his label but he has been absent from the forum for the last month so I haven’t heard back from him. Does anyone know of any other ways to recover from this mistake? I’d appreciate any suggestions.

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If there is one suggestion I can offer for people restoring their old equipment it’s this: Be very gentle with labels printed on aluminum—the printing is unbelievably delicate. The only sour spot in this whole project was me ruining the grinder’s label within about 10 seconds using no more than a soft nylon brush and de-greaser. Before I knew it, the degreaser had completely obliterated the red Craftsman logo and was well on its way to removing the black printing. I was shocked and devastated because my label was in pretty decent shape—I thought I was just giving it a good cleaning. I’ve requested the Photoshop file Pendragon created for his label but he has been absent from the forum for the last month so I haven’t heard back from him. Does anyone know of any other ways to recover from this mistake? I’d appreciate any suggestions.

Don't feel too bad, it's something thats very easy to do and I'm sure we're all guilty of doing the same thing; I know I am.

You need to speak to another GJ member (mattblast) who is able to reproduce very nice custom Craftsman labels for you to laminate onto your existing aluminum plate. He does ask for a small fee to reproduce one but it's well worth it and very reasonable; please be patient as he gets pretty busy making labels.

His name is: mattblast
link to profile:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/member.php?u=161088

Here is a good thread about reproducing labels for Craftsman block grinders and other machines:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=356439&page=13


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Radar - That came out looking great! Congratulations. :thumbup:

magee is right, Mattblast can hook you up with a like new plate/label.
 

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Ok I finally found a pre block 1/2 hp complete except for one eye shield, even has the lamp in good condition. I have it half way apart and everything looks great with no cracks or burnt wires.

Someone replaced the bearings and cord at some point which is nice to see.
Only bad thing is they painted over what looks to be an almost perfect badge and of course getting it off is removing the lettering underneath.

I'm not overly unhappy with the badge the way it is right now but I will probably have to get a new one. I always thought these were 8 in grinders, not sure why... AND we still have the stupid snap rings to deal with??

Anyway for $50 I think I can make it look decent again and put it to use. I have been looking for one of these for just about 2 years.
 

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Wow. The PO must have been pretty hard up or just didn't give a shite to not to throw a few square inches of masking tape over the label and on/off switch.

I see you've already reached out to Mattblast about new labels. He's considering upping his game to screen printing which would apparently replicate exactly the technique used to originally produce our labels.

The stamped data we would take care of ourselves once the label is complete. A word of caution about the stamp dies--I've tried 1/8 inch dies and they are too big to fit in the spaces on the label. I'm looking for 3/32 inch dies.
 

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Yeah I don't know what the po was thinking. There was the same black paint covering half a fridge on the other side of the garage. Makes me kind of sick when I see the inside looking as nice as it does... this should be a simple clean up deal, but then someone else would probably have snagged it first.

I'm not sure I would want to get dies for this project but who knows. I am interested to see what they look like.

Here is a pic of the guts and then a comparison to a first gen aluminum round top (gold plate 1/2 hp).
 

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Here is a pic of the guts and then a comparison to a first gen aluminum round top (gold plate 1/2 hp).


Thanks for adding pics of the guts to this thread. I knew the pre-block stator was bigger than the later blocks, but had no idea they were SO much different.
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You are welcome.

I've actually been working on it and have it mostly back together. For now it is just going to be semi-naked as I have no desire to paint the thing at the moment. Maybe when I get a replacement data plate I will think about making it look pretty. Rather then soldering all the wires together I just soldered leads and nutted the wires to that. Seems to run nice and smooth without any stones.

So yeah it is about 1" wider then the later blocks as well. The iconic round top look in a heavy duty cast iron frame is just too cool. I cleaned up the lamp and it has the Vimco logo on the socket and Vimco NY on the cap.

Overall I'm pretty happy with it and am glad I finally found one. This will be a traditional grinder for tool sharpening as I think this design is best for that purpose.

I'll get a couple updated pics tonight.

UPDATE: It's almost done but I seem to have lost a couple bolts that hold the tool rests in place. Anyway here are a couple pics of the Vimco lettering I have not seen before.




Thanks for adding pics of the guts to this thread. I knew the pre-block stator was bigger than the later blocks, but had no idea they were SO much different.
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Just got back with a pile of pre pre blocks and parts.
These things are HEAVY even compared to the 1/2 hp pre block.

UPDATE:
Brought them in the garage and they did not get any lighter thats for sure.
Only one grinder is totally complete which is fine since they were fairly pricey and I will need to sell some parts to make up for it.

The pre-block 1/2 hp is 1/2 inch wider, but has thinner cast housings and base.
 

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Just got back with a pile of pre pre blocks and parts.
These things are HEAVY even compared to the 1/2 hp pre block.

Those look like a very early version, I've never seen that shape of art deco tool rests before and I've had many pass through my hands. Looks like model 115.7397 from 1946, maybe '45

Well done!
 

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Re: "Pre-Block" Grinders--Where's the Love?

Those look like a very early version, I've never seen that shape of art deco tool rests before and I've had many pass through my hands. Looks like model 115.7397 from 1946, maybe '45



Well done!
Well one of them is 1953, not sure about the other. There are lights in the housings but they are not working yet.




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1959 Craftsman catalog.
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Thanks for posting that ad.
I picked up a very nice condition 1/4 hp (dated 8/59) one (extreme right in the ad) a few years ago that has no side wheel guards. (like the picture)
When I first looked it over, I thought the seller had taken them off. But he said it came that way & looking at it closer, I realized he was right. There are no screw holes to attach the guards. Because it was so nice otherwise, I brought it home for the $40 the seller was asking.
I always found that kind of odd & wondered why they did it with the 1/4 hp model & no others. Does anyone know why?
 

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Pretty sure it was a cost saving option. That one also has slightly smaller eye shields and one piece tool rests.
 

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My led bulbs came today. Perfect fit and pretty bright! Every time I move this grinder it feels heavier.

I also swapped the center band and redid all of the wiring connections.

I may swap in a three way switch so I can just turn on the lights if I want.


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Re: "Pre-Block" Grinders--Where's the Love?

My led bulbs came today. Perfect fit and pretty bright! Every time I move this grinder it feels heavier.

I also swapped the center band and redid all of the wiring connections.

I may swap in a three way switch so I can just turn on the lights if I want.


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Very nice! :drool:
 

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Are we 100% sure about date codes on these? :headscrat I thought something screwy about codes that didn't read right?:headscrat
As far as I know the year is clearly marked on all the early grinder tags. What do you think is screwy about them?

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I thought some had letters that were considered in the month location of the read that were beyond the 12th letter of the alphabet. Sorry, I could be wrong as its past my slumber time.
 

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I'm not sure about the month, but mine seem to have a number and a letter.d38cace6df9dd46c1b6bea2e9c885dfa.jpg

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Re: "Pre-Block" Grinders--Where's the Love?

My led bulbs came today. Perfect fit and pretty bright! Every time I move this grinder it feels heavier.

I also swapped the center band and redid all of the wiring connections.

I may swap in a three way switch so I can just turn on the lights if I want.

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That is cool! Who needs a lamp when you can have lighted eye shields. Do the wires run inside the wheel guards?
 

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That is cool! Who needs a lamp when you can have lighted eye shields. Do the wires run inside the wheel guards?
Yeah they do... I don't think I would want to run wire wheels in there! I'll get some pics of lamp wiring.

Here is one side. I'm not sure how long ago the socket was replaced but they did a nice job.


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My eBay pre block came today.
Packing was... Interesting.

No damage though beyond what was already documented.

Looks really nice overall, perfect badge and the center band should clean up. I'll get some pics in a few.


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Very surprised the lamp survived. Those right-angle sockets tend to snap off very easily. Looking forward to the pics. :thumbup:
 

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Re: "Pre-Block" Grinders--Where's the Love?

Well, the picture is a little deceiving as the lamp was broken prior to shipping.
Just the little screw-clamp thing is broken and the cap is dented.
My other pre block has a very nice lamp so it will probably move over to this one.

I've done a light cleaning and swapped in a newer cord. Just need to clean up inside the guards and put it back together. It's already looking much better.
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Here she is, as clean as she is going to get any time soon. I'm happy with it and I doubt I will find a better one. The tool rests show no wear at all.fcdb5fe9312d26d0abe588a04af955ca.jpg

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Not sure this qualifies but I was buying a snowblower off a guy and he gave me this old Milwaukee bench grinder.

He didn't know if it worked but I took it home and plugged it in and it worked. I got a grinding wheel and made a stand for it.

Its pretty darn powerful I thought it would be gutless.

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Pre blocks are the old cast iron Craftsman grinders. Not sure where the name came from but here we are.

I had a Milwaukee 3/4 briefly and and it was very nice. I believe they are made by Doerr and are much more commonly found with Dayton tags. I think they were made in the 60s.

Not sure this qualifies but I was buying a snowblower off a guy and he gave me this old Milwaukee bench grinder.

He didn't know if it worked but I took it home and plugged it in and it worked. I got a grinding wheel and made a stand for it.

Its pretty darn powerful I thought it would be gutless.


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I still have this one in the original box...unrestored:beer:
 

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I still have this one in the original box...unrestored:beer:

Yeah that 1/3 hp you have is very nice, probably the only one still in the box.
I think those are also the rarest of the pre blocks, at least from my research.

Are you trying to collect each model type? Which ones are you missing?

I've often wondered if Packard/GM came up with the iconic Craftsman grinder design.
I can't find any history on it though.
 
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"Pre-Block" Grinders--Where's the Love?

Not sure this qualifies but I was buying a snowblower off a guy and he gave me this old Milwaukee bench grinder.

He didn't know if it worked but I took it home and plugged it in and it worked. I got a grinding wheel and made a stand for it.

Its pretty darn powerful I thought it would be gutless.

Does anyone know how old this is or anything about it?

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Made by Doerr, early to mid-70s. I have a Thor just like it. Doerr white labelled for several brands. Baldor eyeshields and tool rests will fit nicely if you refurb.

My Thor is at the top in this Doerr listing:
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=3005&tab=4

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Do the pre-block grinders use the same stand as the block grinders? Looking at a 1956 pre-block and thinking I could switch it over to the stand currently being used by my block grinder made in 1965.

The pre-block is a 1/2 HP and has the tool rests that come out from the base on rods.
 

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Do the pre-block grinders use the same stand as the block grinders? Looking at a 1956 pre-block and thinking I could switch it over to the stand currently being used by my block grinder made in 1965.

The pre-block is a 1/2 HP and has the tool rests that come out from the base on rods.
Yes, they use the same stand. Let's see your new pre block!

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Yes, they use the same stand. Let's see your new pre block!

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Thanks for the information. Haven't purchased the pre-block yet. Will post pictures if I'm able to get it bought.
I didn't know for sure, But was going to say I'm
sure it would fit, or could be made to fit with new holes drilled.
 
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