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As some of you may recall, last fall I had my own project where I basically tore down my whole peterbilt and had the frame painted and then reassembled it all myself with some help from a few friends and a couple family members.

Anyways, when we hauled my truck out to Lititz, Pa to get painted we unloaded my truck and loaded one of my good closest friends kenworth and hauled it back to ohio. Its been sitting at my dads since waiting on me to get to it. Well, the time has come to get going on it and I got to say I'm pretty excited to see what the outcome is. The truck is a 1996 Kenworth W900L with a hot Series 60 Detroit and a 13 speed transmission. The truck is now at a factory wheelbase of 274" because it originally had a 74" modular bunk on it. My buddy removed that and installed a 42" kenworth bunk and has not been happy with it. The project is to stretch the truck to a 300-305" wheelbase and install a Double Eagle aftermarket sleeper. I'll try to keep up on the pics as I go along as best I can.



This is the new cutoff, the truck is factory on Kenworth 8 bag suspension and anyone who has ever rode in one knows that it don't ride good for ****. My buddies words to me were "I don't care what suspension is under it, as long as it has 4 bags instead of 8". Well, we finally found a freightliner air liner suspension setup for a 34" wide frame, most of the air liners are 33.5" frame and have Rockwell rearends, we needed DS404 eaton housings so his rears will drop in and go.




Disassembly took longer then I anticipated. the new thing is for these truck manufacturers to huck rivet them together, they claim it is stronger. BUT, it takes forever to tear it down cause you have to cut all the rivets, we will be bolting it all back together with grade 8 bolts and lock nuts. The fifth wheel will be moved back 12 inches on the frame, basically centered over the suspension so he will have adequate movement forward and backwards to move weight on or off the steer axle if need be.



A big thank you goes out to P.G. adams in Vermont for the new rails. I figured that this was the easiest and cleanest way to do this job. It costs more upfront but the reward in the end is worth it. I used the rails from the freightliner cutoff as bolt patterns, only using the bolt holes I need and also adjusting the rail side to side on the new rails since the freightliner rails are roughly 3/8" shorter then the kenworth rails so I have to make the adjustment for bolt holes.



A very respected truck builder friend of mine gave me the idea of this, he told me to just put the old rail on top of the new rail and use each hole with a bit that size and center them and then I'll use my mag drill tomorrow to punch the holes out.



The donor bunk, my buddy bought this bunk 2-3 years ago off of Double Eagle with the thought that I would rebuild it. I finally got to tearing it down only to discover that it is very fixable but not in the time frame set for this job. This bunk is an early 80's sleeper and its a shape it is in such bad structural condition because the bunk is not corroded all to hell. I have the parts to fix it but the roof will need to be removed to do this job right. I decided to use it for parts to fix the damaged one, if you notice the corner of the bunk is cut off for the other bunk.



The good bunk, my buddy caught this one at a scrap yard on its way to its demise, 20 minutes sooner and it would have been a bolt on job but the scrap yard apparently kit one corner with a forklift and also poked the roof inside with a fork, the interior inside is torn and a small dimple in the roof with a small crack. I think it is very fixable though.



I forgot to take a picture before I cut this out but it was crinkled beyond repair. the floor is still crinkled and questionable. When it was struck by the forklift then damaged the corner, backwall and upright supporting the corner. The rear wall panel is junk and no longer usable so a new one will be installed. the upright will be cutout partially and a new upright installed and plated on the sides to add strength since we will only be able to weld it on 3 sides since the interior is still in the bunk. NOW, encase your asking why did I section that corner????? Well, Double Eagle we out of business 2 years ago, everything was sold at auction so these parts aren't readily available. When I spoke to a former Eagle employee he told me that the only way to fix this was to remove the roof, interior, and door jams. These corners are welded, riveted and bolted in, he suggested that we do this section, I was against it til I got into this a little bit. I'm using a piece of the donor sleeper to repair this corner. I still have to drop it at the weld shop to have the floor section cut out and repaired which I'm hoping will go smoothly. The side needs straightened under the door when this is done as well. If this don't come out good I will NOT be happy at all. I'm expecting the worst but praying for the best.



Test FIT..... This corner fit in there with a little work and lots of measuring. Them flap pad sanders on my grinder were awesome for the fine tuning on this piece. It is only in place at the top the wrinkled floor at the bottom is holding it out and also the bent upright is not allowing it to go into place. I measured all the rivet holes though and made the cut precisely the same so that all the rivets will match side to side when its all finished. The bottom light panel will also have to be replaced on both sides do to damage but that's not a big deal at all really.

I'm also going to be installing a unibilt bunk opening in the cab and sleeper which will allow the driver to slide his seat further back giving him more leg room and more comfort in the cab. Stay tuned for more updates hopefully daily this project should move along pretty good at least that's the plan.
 
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hope to see all the upcoming events! not sure why but your threads like this are just better then the average car or truck build.
 
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hope to see all the upcoming events! not sure why but your threads like this are just better then the average car or truck build.

Thank you, I just try to be thorough and get it done right the first time, I always forget to take pics as I'm going along but I'm gonna try to as best I can, Stay tuned. tomorrow is a new day!!!
 

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Thank you, I just try to be thorough and get it done right the first time, I always forget to take pics as I'm going along but I'm gonna try to as best I can, Stay tuned. tomorrow is a new day!!!

Howdy neighbor! Nice sleeper on the right in your avatar! Your rig? Ever been to the Dallas Pike truck show before they shut it down?

OP, subscribed. I've always lived semis and the smell of diesel since I was a little kid. Can't wait to see the finished product. Where's the rest of the truck? Lol I just see a few sleepers and the back half. Keeping the 13 speed? I always thought everyone loved 10s?

Keep the bugs off your bumper!
 
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Howdy neighbor! Nice sleeper on the right in your avatar! Your rig? Ever been to the Dallas Pike truck show before they shut it down?

OP, subscribed. I've always lived semis and the smell of diesel since I was a little kid. Can't wait to see the finished product. Where's the rest of the truck? Lol I just see a few sleepers and the back half. Keeping the 13 speed? I always thought everyone loved 10s?

Keep the bugs off your bumper!

The running gear is not my job, as far as I know the 13 is staying, the 10 speeds are good ******'s but most drivers prefer 13-15 and 18's.

I will post a pic of the truck tomorrow, I know I started a thread and no one has any clue what I'm working on but I will handle that tomorrow. all the sleepers and the cutoff are part of the build so it will all be included in the thread.

No never visited the dallas pike show, didn't care much for that chrome shop.
 

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The running gear is not my job, as far as I know the 13 is staying, the 10 speeds are good ******'s but most drivers prefer 13-15 and 18's.

I will post a pic of the truck tomorrow, I know I started a thread and no one has any clue what I'm working on but I will handle that tomorrow. all the sleepers and the cutoff are part of the build so it will all be included in the thread.

No never visited the dallas pike show, didn't care much for that chrome shop.

I don't know anything about the chrome shop. But the rigs that pulled in during the show were jaw droppers. I think the best thing about the show was - they were all work trucks. Rolled in on Thursday, hauling loads on Sunday. I swaer one guy had 1 million in his rig. Its a shame they don't have it anymore as that was the only semi show that was close enough to drive to reasonably.
 

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Years ago their were a lot of trucks built around here but it is to costly to do now days.Are you geting payed and how?
 

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This is awesome. I can't imagine myself doing something this big. You truly have some talent there. Let us know how it turns out. Good job!!
 

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This looks like one of those projects that would be cheaper to buy finished rather to do from the ground up. If it were a 50-60 narrow nose or something like that i could see it but a late model just seems not at all cost effective. Carry on it will be fun to watch though! and bring back memories of when i had my otr truck.
 

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This looks like one of those projects that would be cheaper to buy finished rather to do from the ground up. If it were a 50-60 narrow nose or something like that i could see it but a late model just seems not at all cost effective. Carry on it will be fun to watch though! and bring back memories of when i had my otr truck.

A late model, stock truck, may be cheaper to buy finished, but not a custom. Like the OP mentioned, the wheelbase will be modified, and the bunks that are being built are not even available anymore, as the company is out of business. Similar to the car scene, the amount of money full custom shops charge is beyond ridiculous. "Built. Not bought." around here...looking good Don, like others, I'm subscribed too!
 
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Years ago their were a lot of trucks built around here but it is to costly to do now days.Are you geting payed and how?

I am getting paid and its a flat rate plus parts, the buyer should have around 5K invested including paying me. I really don't want to get further into details on the pay structure if that's ok. If you have a job that you'd want a quote on PM me and we can talk it in private.
 
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This looks like one of those projects that would be cheaper to buy finished rather to do from the ground up. If it were a 50-60 narrow nose or something like that i could see it but a late model just seems not at all cost effective. Carry on it will be fun to watch though! and bring back memories of when i had my otr truck.

50-60 narrow nose or 80-90 wide nose, no different, custom is custom, this isn't a late model, Kenworth has changed there design on suspensions, cab lay out and much much more. We are not doing a ground up, it is known through out the industry that the 8 bag air ride does not ride that well, it is a poorly designed suspension and the thought of the suspension was good but the reaction and ride of air against air one bag against another is not what they had in mind I don't think. The truth is that even if you bought it already done, its never really done. There is always something that you want to changed whether its something as simple as the bumper and visor or something as major as the sleeper and suspension. If you have not caught up, I encourage you to visit my Peterbilt project thread from last year and you'll see that we may not be able to buy them done but when they are done they're done right and just the way we would want them.

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168035&highlight=peterbilt
 
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Today went better then I thought it would. The Mag drill that I bought saved me a ton of work. I'd like to send a shout out to Dennis, the heavy metal doctor, he schooled me through Pm's and in turn I purchased a hougen mag drill for this job and I gotta say it's worth its weight in gold.



This is the beginning, I know I should have posted this first but I did not. My buddy has owned this truck for several years, he's done a stretch of work to it and has a lot more to go. all the grey primer was done by him, he started to lengthen the front fenders to match the bottom of the hood, shaved the air horns, turn signals, and emblems on the hood. I see the vision in my head that he's wanting and I hope that I can help get it to where he wants.




We used to use a big 3/4" chuck drill and a kar ream, we would center each hole and the pilot and little bigger and little bigger til the ream would fit. WELL, no more of that I bought 3 different size cutters for the Hougen and they are awesome. the cut the holes so precise and the bolts fit perfect. BUT most of all this drill and cutter saved me a ton of time, I drill both rails roughly about 50 holes in less then 2 hours, and I was wasting time between holes to let the cutter cool. I didn't want to use cutting oil since we are dealing with new steel so I stuck with the hougen cutting wax and it had to be a cool bit to use the wax.



Since this isn't the cut for the stretch job it didn't have to be exact, but the bottom half of this cut is for the weld for the new frame so I wanted it as close as possible to straight so the frames but nice. So I used a straight edge as a guide to keep it close yet not exact.



The cut didn't come out as clean as I hoped, but that's what the grinder and flap wheels are for. The cut is going to be a Z pattern centered over the crossmember in front of this cut, We always like to have a crossmember on the joint for strength. We will also put a 1/4" sleeve inside the rails for additional strength.





Getting the frame out was a little tricky, our forklift will lift 10K but the forks are only 52" long. We don't need anything off of this cutoff but the tires and the rear end chunks. So, we ran the forks in the rear between the bottom flange of the top of the rails and the crossmembers and it lifted it right up and out it went.
 
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For anyone that's wondering, the deal with this job is simple. We are using a freightliner air liner suspension due to the parts availability, the ride and the simplicity of working on it. But the reason we started with 2 new pieces of rail was for the appearance. After dismantling the truck today and seeing all the foolish things that kenworth does to make there trucks function down the highway, I got to say, I'm going to have a blast with this build. Although there won't be a lot of custom work going into it for the simple reason of time, it won't be leaving here a wiring and plumbing nightmare.

I am going to do this setup similar to a peterbilt setup but with a freightliner suspension and kenworth crossmembers. I know that is probably making people say WTF, but looks its like this. On the outside you'll see freightliner, but when someone looks between the rails and sees what I do, they're going to know that everything between the rails is all kenworth. The suspension will be the only part that don't belong, everything else will be kenworth.

I'm excited that my buddy had the confidence in me to do this job and I think and hope that when its all done he will be like DAMN, that's awesome.

Tomorrow is a new day, I have to go in the morning and buy 3 kenworth crossmembers so I will be getting a late start but I'm hoping to cut the rails tomorrow for welding and maybe get the new rails matched to old rails. I also want to get the steel ordered for the sleeves and see if I can find someone to match the bend in these rails for a tighter fit. Hopefully by the end of the day Tuesday I will have both sides welded and the sleeves fit and ready to move onto dismantling the old suspension for the new one.
 
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Well as I mentioned yesterday I was going to get a late start today and honestly it was much later then I thought it would be but I was able to get both rails on the truck cut and one of the new rails fit, it takes a lot of fine tuning to get everything together nice and tight. I cut both rails in an identical Z pattern and the new rails are the opposite. After about an hour of fine tuning with the grinder I finally got the one to fit the way I want it to.

The initial start the wheelbase was going to be about 314" the owner of the truck didn't want it that way, it did look bad *** BUT, I'm getting paid to do what he wants so we cut 12" off of the new rails when fitting them to the old rails. he should be about a 301-303" wheelbase. Tomorrow morning I'm going to get one rail welded and the other I'm going to start fitting hopefully around lunch and have then both welded and ground and smoothed by the end of the day tomorrow. Then I'll be able to start getting my bolt count and measurements for the drive shafts. We have to add a carrier shaft due to the length, most manufacturers won't go past 78" center to center on a carrier shaft so we have to find 1 carrier shaft to shorten and we will take his existing slip shaft and shorten it as well. It is always cheaper to shorten them. So far I'm pleased with how things are going together for the most part. I'm hoping that it continues.
 

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Looks good man! I can't believe a mate from down under, where they pull "road trains" doesn't want it that long...well, wait...maybe it's cause of the urban jungle that he lives, works, and plays in, haha!

I'm loading Weds, so I'll stop over tmrw for a few mins!
 

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I'm in my 37th year of trucking and to this day, nice trucks turn my head. I'm not into the radical custom jobs that are out there these days, but that's probably just me becoming an old curmudgeon. I'm more into older stuff cleaned up nice and polished out. That said, nice work on this project. Wish you were closer, I like your work and would have you stretch my project out for me. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1373332110.470455.jpg
 
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I'm in my 37th year of trucking and to this day, nice trucks turn my head. I'm not into the radical custom jobs that are out there these days, but that's probably just me becoming an old curmudgeon. I'm more into older stuff cleaned up nice and polished out. That said, nice work on this project. Wish you were closer, I like your work and would have you stretch my project out for me. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1373332110.470455.jpg

The owner of this truck is from new jersey, I'm in ohio, anything is possible. I work alone though so things take time. a big shop could do a job in 3-4 days, I take more like 6-7
 

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I am getting paid and its a flat rate plus parts, the buyer should have around 5K invested including paying me. I really don't want to get further into details on the pay structure if that's ok. If you have a job that you'd want a quote on PM me and we can talk it in private.

I have done work like your are in the past for companys that i worked for. I did alot of jobs for them that would have cost to much to have had been done out side their own shop. At the time the company shop could do 1000.00 of work for 200.00.
 

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Shouldn't the holes in the frame be drilled after they are welded to the original frame? Looks like you could get a more precise measurement and wouldn't matter as much if you had to grind one z-cut more than the other to get it to fit better. Also, do you lengthen the wheelbase to accomadate a off-the-shelf driveshaft, or is it custom built too?
 
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Shouldn't the holes in the frame be drilled after they are welded to the original frame? Looks like you could get a more precise measurement and wouldn't matter as much if you had to grind one z-cut more than the other to get it to fit better. Also, do you lengthen the wheelbase to accomadate a off-the-shelf driveshaft, or is it custom built too?

I used another frame for a template on the holes, we measured from the rear and adjusted the front cut to the wheelbase that we want. The holes are spot on where they need to be, you go from the rear forward and everything is where they would normally be. In reality it makes it easier the way that we did it so that there is actually less measuring involved, when I punched these holes I centered each one with a drill bit and then used that as a center for the hougen. I didn't measure any of it and its right where it needs to be.

There really is no such thing as an off-the-shelf driveshaft in commercial vehicles, basically they are all custom built due to the fact of varying wheelbases. We will save money by buying used drive shafts that are to long for the job, have them shortened and rebalanced to fit our needs. The tubing to lengthen a shaft is expensive, where shortening is just a matter of cutting and rewelding and balancing.
 
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It's been a few days since my last major update and well, I must tell everyone that the frame is NOT welded yet, we ran into some technical issues and then I decided to wait til everything else was ready to roll under the truck this way I was able to still work on concrete for the rear end removal and installs. The outcome will be the same only will be easier on my body then laying in my drive way.

Yesterday was kind of a bust due to weather, we had tornado warning and watches most of the afternoon and then contending with power going off and on so I decided to hang it up in the afternoon.

Today I was able to get the old suspension back into the garage and start the disassembly on the rears, since we aren't using the kenworth 8 bag suspension were not to concerned about its safety. SO, I decided to go to town on the fifth wheel with the torch and cut all the bolts off and then get to the front rear. The front rear was rebuilt about 2-3 years ago so nothing was needed to be done to it, just a simple remove and install into the near housing. The truck currently has DS404 eaton rear ends and we are used DS405 eaton housings on the new suspension, the rears will fit but you have to use the axles that come with the housings since apparently the 404 and 405 axles are different.

The removal was a breeze, once I got it broke free from the old housing it slid right out on my rear end/****** jack. I did a quick inspection and found nothing to be concerned about and also did an inspection on the output shaft, on the 404 and 405 rears the output shaft is installed from the rear so it stays in the housing when you remove the chunk. This was kind of a small blessing in disguise, I found that the bearings on the output shaft of the old rears were about to come apart, the shaft is supposed to have no more the 0.015 in and out play on a used or worn rear, I have not checked the in and out play but being that the shaft moves up and down almost a 1/2" I'm certain there was about to be an issue. The new rear housing came with the output shaft and it has less the 0.015 of in and out play and the up and down movement is less the 3/16". I was very happy with the way this rear end went together.



This is the new suspension with the front rear installed, I have to put a rear seal in it and put the rear yoke on and its complete except for the brakes, and possible wheel seals if we find any leakers.




I decided to work late tonight and get a little more done since yesterday was a bust, I decided to remove and break down all the tires and wheels. This was a disaster. These wheels are the old ball and seat style, I have never had issues with removing wheels on any ball and seat style like I had on this one. first of all, all 4 outside wheels came right off, no problem, then on the first inside, I got 8 barrel nuts off and snapped 2 off, I have a tool to remove broken barrel nuts, no problem right????? WRONG, the first one I heat the barrel nut and just heat the rim enough for heat transfer, since were selling these wheels I can't damage them. so after I get the first one hot, I put my tool on there and ZINGO!!!! breaks the barrel nut off even shorter, now I can't even try the tool again. I decide to heat the other one, I pound the tool on and BAM, off it comes, now back to the other, I tried cutting it with the torch and well I didn't want to ruin the wheel so I stopped. I ended up removing the hub, brake drum and wheel one piece. This was a blessing also, your not supposed to be able to take the outer axle nuts off by hand, this one I did. I ended up cutting the head off the stud inside the wheel and pounding the stud out and it was done. Next wheel, 2 more get stuck, but thankfully after some enticing with the impact they came off, wheel 3, same thing, 2 broken barrel nuts. I ended up heating them and getting them off with the tool one by one, and finally the last one, well, it came off like it wasn't even tight.

I wanted to tear that 8 bag apart tonight since we are trading the elephant ears and cross bars for the new drive shafts and hopefully a couple air bags since we need 2 for sure. I got all 8 tires broke down in about 30 minutes and the wheels loaded up for the tire shop to buy them and I figured that was enough for today.

Tomorrow I plan on dismantling that 8 bag and cutting the frame in half so I don't have to fight the suspension bars to get the back rear out. This one we may end up going through, it had a ratio change in 2004 but the owner isn't sure if they rebuilt the rear at the same time. I wouldn't think they would tear it completely apart reratio and then put it back together with used parts, but I guess you never know.
 
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Keep the updates coming. I never realized how stout those rear ends are on trucks.

In reality the 404 and 405 rears are probably the worst eatons ever built, They were designed with strength and weight in mind and well they lack in the strength area for a heavy haul application. The ring gear on the 404 and 405 rear I think about rated at 110,000 lbs and the ds402 I think was rated at like 125 or 135,000 lbs. The lightened them up to save weight for big companies but the sacrificed strength and reliability in doing so. Rockwell used to be the junk rear of the industry but since the second gen new world rears came out, they have concurred the industry and put eaton at the bottom, Rockwell has the strength and reliability in there rears hands down at this point.
 

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Great post with all the pics and explanations. I don't know much about the big truck stuff, but it is neat to learna nd compare to the "light duty" 1-ton pickup stuff I have dealt with.

I like the custom big rigs, nice to see the process. How do you lower the front? With less arched leafs? Or is there a drop axle like used for hot rods? Lower is better in my book, curious how the big trucks do it.
 
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Great post with all the pics and explanations. I don't know much about the big truck stuff, but it is neat to learna nd compare to the "light duty" 1-ton pickup stuff I have dealt with.

I like the custom big rigs, nice to see the process. How do you lower the front? With less arched leafs? Or is there a drop axle like used for hot rods? Lower is better in my book, curious how the big trucks do it.

We are going to try a couple things, I can't do the front til I get the rear back together so that I can measure the frame on level ground and see how far I have to drop the front to meet the back. There is a couple ways, you can dearch the front springs like you mentioned and yes they also have drop axles, the standard drop is 3.5" drop but they make a 5" drop but they're very pricey. You can also remove leaf springs and add air bags, but your taking a huge risk to do so, a 2 leaf peterbilt or kenworth spring is usually rated for 12K you cut that in half to remove a leaf so your messing with fate in that instance. We are going to try a couple different things, right now I'm not 100% as to how the fronts going to be done, it may be more of a trial and error type deal.
 
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