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Well, I'm at a slight stand still, I have both rear ends built, and put together and ready for install. Yesterday I was able to get the 1 carrier shaft that we are needing and I think I may have gotten lucky and don't need to shorten this, I'm going to turn the plate around that holds the carrier up and hide it under the crossmember so that it gives a clean look. I always wondered why they don't hang the carrier bearings under the crossmember, instead they put it in front or behind it...well I'm gonna hide it so you won't see it.

Today is a day of cleaning, I have to clean up the angles for the fifth wheel, take apart some crossmembers and do a little math here and there. Tomorrow I have a meeting in the morning that may take most of the day so I don't know that I'll get much done tomorrow but if I can I will!!!
 
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Well, finally after several days of waiting and finally getting the problem handled I was able to fit the first rail yesterday and get it welded. The first shot is a quick fit, I put it in place to adjust the cut and then removed it to bevel the edges for the weld to penetrate. The second pic is ready for weld, a lot of fine tuning on the clamps and beams on the rails to keep things tight and straight and it was off to the races.




Things were off to a rocky start, I don't do a ton of welding and I'm not the best with an arc welder and a stick but as I went along, things got better. It's like riding a bike just had to get back into the swing of things, the bottom flanges were the worst, its so hard to weld upside down, if only there was a way to flip the truck over haha.





The idea of any stretch job it to make it unnoticeable and clean, being that we used brand new piece of frame for this job it was a challenge, everything lined up exactly as it should except the bottom radius on the factory frame, for some reason its a little sharper of a bend then the top radius. I welded it all up and did what I can to blend it all together. When you do a job like this, there is never any guarantees but I still do the best I can to get the job done. The right rail is all finished up and ready for the inner sleeve, the left rail is hanging and ready for weld. I should have more pics to post tonight.
 

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Looks like good work to me!

Is that part of the frame going to be reinforced with another plate over it, or some sort of additional strengthener that might help keep everything solid?
 
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it will have a 1/4" sleeve 90" long to go from the crossmember in front of the cut to the crossmember behind. it will be bolted and we stitch weld the top and bottom flanges for added strength. there is also a crossmember right on the weld for strength as well. some people fish plate but we find a sleeve to be a cleaner look.
 
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Well, it has been several days since my last update. A lot has been going on and my normal days is slowly turning into long days to get this job done, we are over budget and over the time frame to get it done, I feel like a reality tv show they're always over budget and out of time.



We got both rails all welded up and cleaned up. I'm not 100% happy with the job but this was a tough job to do, matching brand new rails to old rails we got it done the best that we are able to. I don't think that I'll be doing anymore like this in the future. its to much for just 1 person especially when it's as complex as this is.




I got all the holes punched in the frame and test fit everything and it all seems to be going together very well so far. The original plan was to use kenworth crossmembers inside the frame. Well, I decided to change that to use 2 peterbilt crossmembers under the fifth wheel for plumbing reasons. Peterbilt hangs all there valves on the crossmembers where kenworth hangs some on the crossmembers, some on the frame and air line junctions everywhere. I'm going to simplify the plumbing and clean it up using these members. We also got the new fifth wheel angles, I only needed 5/16, but the steel supplier didn't have them so I ended up with 3/8", total overkill but at least I know the wheel won't come off.




As my buddy says, this was money well spent, I sent him a text and told him that now were wasting money and he replied nope, money well spent haha. These came out pretty good and got them all mounted up on his tires, we ended up using steel wheels on the inside, for some reason finding used 24.5 aluminum wheel is just about impossible right now.




Everything is ready for primer today, I got the sleeves back from the fab shop yesterday, I went ahead and drilled all the holes I needed in them and got some self etching primer on all the new iron, I'm going to be laying some DTM epoxy down today to provide a good seal on the new steel. The only thing left to do is go over the rear ends with the pressure washer and some degreaser so I get a nice clean surface to work with. The plan is to primer everything and then assemble and put a final coat of paint on everything for a nice finish. I'm hoping to have this done in the next few days. I'm planning on priming today and doing some assembly later and getting the sleeves in for sure today and get the stitch welding done on them.
 

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I've always noticed on heavy truck frames warning stickers that say "Do Not Drill, Cut or Weld". You're doing all three! :eyecrazy: Seriously, I just assumed the frames were heat treated for strength, and welding weakened them?
 
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that's a warning sticker I think to more or less protect the manufacturer, people have been stretching frames for years, and them warning stickers specify the flanges. I know that doesn't change anything but it will hold OK. I don't know about the heat treating but the frames are rated at different psi strengths. we are using 90,000 psi frame and now they are offering up to 130,000 psi rails.
 

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It's coming along nice!


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A friend of mine works at Metalsa here in town. They make all the truck frames for KW, Volvo, Pete, IH, Mack, etc...across the country.

I've got nothing more to add :lol:

Great project! I'll be following along!
 
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I don't know who made these frames on this 96, there really isn't anything consistent about them, very wavy and all over the place. it uses to be in order to haul for a certain manufacturer you had to have that brand of truck, like if its a paccar product you needed a Pete or kw to haul there products.

does metalsa do outside work? pg Adams did well but always nice to have a backup plan.
 
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its supposed to be a 90k psi frame but according to the stamp on the rail its an 80k psi frame. we've been using the same rod for 20+ years on frames never had one break. now they're making frames up to 150k psi, those would need a lot heavier rod.
 

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It's the flange that your not sopposed to drill into, Done properly you can drill side rails no issue. with the inner liner your installing, tieing it to a crossmember you'll not have any issue. I normally do not weld the ends of the liner to orginal rails however.
Overall job looks good from what your pics show, keep em' coming!
 
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we only stitch the top and bottom flanges to the original frame, its been said if you weld the ends the main frame can crack from twisting and no give, the liner has to flex with the frame. today I finally got everything primered. I'm going to install the sleeves tomorrow I think and proceed to assembly.
 
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Everyone had probably been waiting for an update and I have to apologize I've been knee deep in this job and the late nights don't give me the strength to type. So here is whats been happening.




A week and a half ago we started at 10 in the morning with what you see above, except that it was not primer, it was finished with black paint. My close friend and brother J_G who has posted on this thread was a huge help this day. We ran into a couple of snags throughout the day and lost a couple hours due to them but ended the day with what you see below.




This was where the time consuming part comes in, because I work alone and I'm very meticulous about how things work and how things look I ended up spending 2.5 days on the plumbing alone. We lengthened the air lines since the owner is going to run new air lines himself when he paints the frame. This was just to get it up and running for now.





The original suspension was equipped with full maxi chambers on all 4 drive wheels. The owner decided to keep it that way since he plans on pulling a dump bucket hauling weight. The manufacturer sometimes run plastic hoses to aluminum junctions mounted in the frame and the rubber from there to the wheels. Or they can sometimes come off of the brake valve to the brake chamber with rubber all the way. I took what they did and improved and cleaned it up. If you notice there is new brass bulkhead fittings hanging from each corner of the 2 crossmembers above the front and rear suspension. this is where I ran plastic from the brake valves to this bulkhead fittings and then rubber side by side to the wheels. This cleans everything up and keeps it all straight and neat.




Kenworth and freightliner both don't have a good way of hanging there air valves. Peterbilt has the best looking setup and the cleanest finish product that I've come across. By utilizing the peterbilt crossmembers I was able to hang the valves in the center of the members and this made everything neat and tucked in for a clean appearance.




These are what we used for hanging the air lines, Peterbilt is using them on the new 389 models and freightliner has been using them for years. They are so much neater and simpler then a metal strap type hanger. These don't rust and take a lot of abuse. The worst thing you have to worry about is a broken tie. 10 seconds and the sagging air lines are repaired, no more rusty bolts or straps to contend with.



Since Kenworth isn't a neat suspension when it comes to plumbing, I had to build a couple junctions and get fancy with a couple fittings for the air bags, this particular one has a line from the leveling valve to the bag, then feeds another bag and also feed an air scale in the cab so the owner can load the suspension accordingly.

We also moved the leveling valve from the rear to the lead axle. Kenworth and Peterbilt both put it on the rear, Freightliner used to as well. Being that this suspension is a 2003 it had the leveling valve on the lead axle and I decided to leave it that way. All of the major plumbing is hidden under the fifth wheel, the only thing that you see in the rear is 1 line running down each frame rail to the rear air bags.

The wiring harness from the factory is about 3 feet to short to reach the rear of the frame, I went ahead and mounted a 7 wire junction box in the left rail close to the crossmember so that it is tucked and kind of hidden. The owner will be able to access it easily for any wiring issues or additions.

The drive shafts had to be shortened, we ended up with 3 driveshafts in the front, 2 carrier shafts and 1 slip shaft. the slip shaft had to be shortened to around 3 feet and also the shaft between the rear ends had to be shortened 2 inches. With some meticulous adjustments on the carrier bearings and drive shafts I was able to get all of the shafts into specs where the U joints are in a perfect angle for functionality and longevity. The owner should see no issues in the drive line at all. No vibrations was a huge plus and a huge sign of job done right!!





3 days ago we had an almost finished product, we still have to taper the rear of the frame and I have to install the tail light bars, only a few hours worth of work. The owner was very pleased to see this and I understand no one has been able to wipe the smile off his face since. The truck rode 200% better then it did with the 8 bag air ride, and we were pleased to not have any vibrations or hitches in the trucks and suspensions performance.



Above is a video of the road test, again very pleased with the finished product. I've heard of several horror stories regarding bad stretch jobs but thankfully we have never been the punch line of any of them. I hope everyone enjoyed this part of the build, we still have 2 more stages to go.

The front of the truck is currently 1.75 inches higher then the rear, we are going to static drop the front with a different rear spring hanger and taking all the spacers out from under the springs and moving the shock bracket to the top of the spring. This should give us a static drop of roughly 2-2.5 inches and then we are going to have the springs dearched and additional 1-2 inches. The owner would like the top of the tire even with the bottom of the fender when its sitting. Him or I will eventually be adding air bags to the front to lift and drop the truck with air.

The sleeper that is on the truck will be coming off, we will be adding a 66" Double Eagle sleeper. The maker is out of business so this is going to be a tricky build. I will be changing the opening in the rear of the cab and the front of the sleeper to a peterbilt Unibilt opening. The owner is a tall Australian dude and needs the leg room. This will allow him to slide his seat back into the bunk and allow him to ride more comfortable then he is now. I will try to keep up to date on the sleeper build. as we move along.
 

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Nice work on the frame stretch on big rig. End result is really clean, with improvements you made in line layout.

Curious if truck will be super long-haul since he wanted the stretch frame?? Any plans to also increase fuel capacity to increase overall range?? Are there diesel tanks on both sides??

For me, it would be Over-The-Top if this rig was also becoming Blended Fuel with mix of diesel and CNG (compressed natural gas). Some fleets in NC & PA are converting to blended fuel to take advantage of low cost CNG. New rigs in CA, ID, UT, AZ, etc are even straight LNG (liquid natural gas) with UPS leading way with some long-haul routes running LNG from Los Angeles to Phoenix.

Keep pics coming. With super size sleeper cab, that'll be real nice ride!!
 
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Nice work on the frame stretch on big rig. End result is really clean, with improvements you made in line layout.

Curious if truck will be super long-haul since he wanted the stretch frame?? Any plans to also increase fuel capacity to increase overall range?? Are there diesel tanks on both sides??

For me, it would be Over-The-Top if this rig was also becoming Blended Fuel with mix of diesel and CNG (compressed natural gas). Some fleets in NC & PA are converting to blended fuel to take advantage of low cost CNG. New rigs in CA, ID, UT, AZ, etc are even straight LNG (liquid natural gas) with UPS leading way with some long-haul routes running LNG from Los Angeles to Phoenix.

Keep pics coming. With super size sleeper cab, that'll be real nice ride!!

The frame being stretched was more of a bragging thing, he now has a longer, lower, cooler ride. sometimes there is a purpose to the extra frame, in this case there is not.


The truck will be used locally on the east coast, mostly eastern Pa and all of NJ. the fuel tanks that are there are staying, none will be added either. The right tank is a split tank, partial hydraulic tank for running his PTO and wet line kit.

We personally have no interest in the CNG or LNG market, the fill stations are few and far between and the conversion cost is substantial and the return is minimal. Besides, this truck is running a pretty hot program in the ECM from a fellow in Australia. I don't think the owner is wanting to downgrade right now.
 

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Nice work on the frame stretch on big rig. End result is really clean, with improvements you made in line layout.

Curious if truck will be super long-haul since he wanted the stretch frame?? Any plans to also increase fuel capacity to increase overall range?? Are there diesel tanks on both sides??

For me, it would be Over-The-Top if this rig was also becoming Blended Fuel with mix of diesel and CNG (compressed natural gas). Some fleets in NC & PA are converting to blended fuel to take advantage of low cost CNG. New rigs in CA, ID, UT, AZ, etc are even straight LNG (liquid natural gas) with UPS leading way with some long-haul routes running LNG from Los Angeles to Phoenix.

Keep pics coming. With super size sleeper cab, that'll be real nice ride!!

Doesn't CNG and diesel fuel require different compression ratio's?
 

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What kind of framebolts are you using? I'm used to seeing black grade 8's used on frames. I'm starting on 08 mack pinnacle at the moment, rebuilding it on new rails. I'm hucking the whole frame though. Definately not resonable for everyone . It's nice to see other Semi builds, keep up the good work!
 

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Doesn't CNG and diesel fuel require different compression ratio's?

Not that I know of when implementing a BLENDED fuel setup (ie add CNG to straight diesel engine . . . no spark plugs). It's just like old days when propane was added to diesel - - ie to cut down on diesel useage. Except with CNG, it's higher octane does help versus propane.

OP big rig sounds like it's already "tuned" up or boosted to get extra power. Like he says, conversion isn't cheap when adding CNG tanks capable of 3,600 psi. Payback wouldn't be there unless plenty of CNG fueling locations and truck driven lots of miles.
 

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What I think is amazing is the size and the quality of the work coming out of that small shop.
I would think twice about a garden tractor rebuild and you are stretching Kenworths?
 

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It's came a long ways, man. As always, you know I think highly of your work, and was glad I was able to be a small part of it. Working with you that Friday and seeing the pics makes me want to tear into mine, haha. Seems like we're never finished, and always wanting a change...
 

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amazing work. and you really go the extra mile when running lines and that stuff.

congrats. wish more people would do your qaulity of work!
 

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I have a friend thats looking for an 8 bag KW rear cut off,he needs something thats not rusty for a restoration project.
I think his pumpkins are good,so ggood clean housings and suspension is what he needs.
You have anything?
 
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We have an 8 bag k100 suspension without the rears. Its setup for Eaton ds404 or 405 rears. $500 will buy what we have. We do not have the elephant ears. Just the axles, and suspension arms and bags.
 
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Guys thanks for the good words. The project has been on hold for a couple months due to my inability to weld aluminum. I'm at the mercy of a world shop that's dicking us around and we are also waiting on the new cab and sleeper openings. The owner really wants the truck finished and so do I it just hasn't got there yet.
 

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We have an 8 bag k100 suspension without the rears. Its setup for Eaton ds404 or 405 rears. $500 will buy what we have. We do not have the elephant ears. Just the axles, and suspension arms and bags.

I sent this on to my buddy,i'll see if its what he needs.
Thanks.
He has a ton of 24.5 alum. bud wheels,maybe you guys want to trade?
 
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