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AEAdam

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Just a thought: When I was buying tools for my machine shop, I found 12pt SAE industrial finish Snap On's CHEAP on eBay. These can be slightly rusty, which really detracts from their sale price. I refinished those that needed it with Oxpho Blue and they are great. It was just light surface rust.

Sometimes sets missing one or two sockets will go ridiculously cheap. In that case you can either take a chance and see if you can find the missing sizes, or just buy new. You will still be far ahead. In my experience, when sets are missing pieces. they are the MOST important sizes (9/16", 3/4" etc). In such cases, I have little problem paying for brand new of the sizes I will likely use the most.

Last, 12pt SAE are not desirable on eBay. If you are patient, you could find a great deal on chrome. I refuse to pay more than 50% of list for any Snap On stuff on eBay. Even new, technically don't carry Snap On warrantees, so I feel paying close to retail is a bad deal. Plus, I know that some of those new sets were purchased at 50% or less. My advice is: Stick to your guns and be patient! There's no logic to eBay pricing. Just check completed listings and you will see for yourself.
 

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Just a thought: When I was buying tools for my machine shop, I found 12pt SAE industrial finish Snap On's CHEAP on eBay. These can be slightly rusty, which really detracts from their sale price. I refinished those that needed it with Oxpho Blue and they are great. It was just light surface rust.

Sometimes sets missing one or two sockets will go ridiculously cheap. In that case you can either take a chance and see if you can find the missing sizes, or just buy new. You will still be far ahead. In my experience, when sets are missing pieces. they are the MOST important sizes (9/16", 3/4" etc). In such cases, I have little problem paying for brand new of the sizes I will likely use the most.

Last, 12pt SAE are not desirable on eBay. If you are patient, you could find a great deal on chrome. I refuse to pay more than 50% of list for any Snap On stuff on eBay. Even new, technically don't carry Snap On warrantees, so I feel paying close to retail is a bad deal. Plus, I know that some of those new sets were purchased at 50% or less. My advice is: Stick to your guns and be patient! There's no logic to eBay pricing. Just check completed listings and you will see for yourself.
I prefer the industrial black over the chrome.
 

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Check out Wright.

They don't advertise (as far was I know) and I've found their tools to be some of the very best. They have a good warranty but I doubt if you'll even need ti.

I have severely abused some of my Wright tools and they just keep coming back for more.......
I second the Wright sockets suggestion. I have Wright 12 point sockets in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive. Excellent tools.
 

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12pt SAE are not desirable on eBay. If you are patient, you could find a great deal on chrome.
I am not sure what you mean by "not desirable".

If you intended that to mean "they are not selling", you are indeed correct. There is a glut of 1/2" drive SAE stuff in the second-hand market. It's been that way on ebay for at least the last eight years I've been on here.
I have tons of it, for reasons I'm not sure I understand - Craftsman, Indestro, Walden, and Thorsen. How much you want?
 

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Was in the machine shop this morning and took a couple pics as promised.

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Snap on makes a huge range of SAE 3/8” 12 pts. The big 3/8” one is 1”. Not sure if the 1/4” goes up to 5/8”. I use the 9/16” often, but not sure about 5/8”. As I said, none of these are impact sockets they are “G code” non-impact sockets.

The extensions are a mixed bag of 1/4” and 3/8”. I found that tray on eBay, and whatever I paid for it was too much, but I like these sorts of organizers, especially for extensions and especially for black ones.

Quick story, before I started where I work, a mechanic left an Allen wrench in a bolt head in an aircraft transmission. He just missed it. So did the quality inspector and probably a half dozen other mechanics. That aircraft came down pretty quickly, killing its crew. Allen wrenches are HARD. Keep track of your tools!

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Here’s the wrench drawer if anyone is interested. This shop will probably maintain any heavy equipment I buy in the future (currently shopping for a skid steer). So the big sizes are helpful. Some have already come in handy. Most of my work so far has generally stopped at 15/16”.

For our UK friends, we call the hinging tools “spanners”. The non- hinged tools “wrenches”. Shown are “pin spanners”, “hook spanners” and “face spanners”. These are essential for many industrial applications, but I have them specifically for joints on my bridgeport milling machine. Not sure what these would be called in the UK, but I’ve heard people say we don’t use the term “Spanner“ here in the US and that’s not true. If anyone was interested in what those tools are, that’s what we call them and why I have them.

I gave these tools a quick wipe down with oil before I took the picture. Worth mentioning, you really have to routinely oil or protect these black oxide tools somehow. And regular reapplication is a must. Even the screwdrivers are black oxide. BTW, some of their handles were absolutely black during the Bridgeport rebuild. Horrible. They clean up fine. They almost look new in the picture and they absolutely are not!

Last, you can see how well my white crayon trick holds up. That was one of my first posts on garagejournal probably 10 years ago! I didnt do these wrenches 10 years ago, but it’s been several years. It holds up and it helps!
 
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If I didnt have any 12 point sockets and needed them, I’d seriously consider the Sunex 3/8 drive semi-deep impacts.
#3337 5/16-1” $35.99
#3338 7-19mm $30
 

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Was in the machine shop this morning and took a couple pics as promised.

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Snap on makes a huge range of SAE 3/8” 12 pts. The big 3/8” one is 1”. Not sure if the 1/4” goes up to 5/8”. I use the 9/16” often, but not sure about 5/8”. As I said, none of these are impact sockets they are “G code” non-impact sockets.

The extensions are a mixed bag of 1/4” and 3/8”. I found that tray on eBay, and whatever I paid for it was too much, but I like these sorts of organizers, especially for extensions and especially for black ones.

Quick story, before I started where I work, a mechanic left an Allen wrench in a bolt head in an aircraft transmission. He just missed it. So did the quality inspector and probably a half dozen other mechanics. That aircraft came down pretty quickly, killing its crew. Allen wrenches are HARD. Keep track of your tools!

IMG_8153.jpeg
Here’s the wrench drawer if anyone is interested. This shop will probably maintain any heavy equipment I buy in the future (currently shopping for a skid steer). So the big sizes are helpful. Some have already come in handy. Most of my work so far has generally stopped at 15/16”.

For our UK friends, we call the hinging tools “spanners”. The non- hinged tools “wrenches”. Shown are “pin spanners”, “hook spanners” and “face spanners”. These are essential for many industrial applications, but I have them specifically for joints on my bridgeport milling machine. Not sure what these would be called in the UK, but I’ve heard people say we don’t use the term “Spanner“ here in the US and that’s not true. If anyone was interested in what those tools are, that’s what we call them and why I have them.

I gave these tools a quick wipe down with oil before I took the picture. Worth mentioning, you really have to routinely oil or protect these black oxide tools somehow. And regular reapplication is a must. Even the screwdrivers are black oxide. BTW, some of their handles were absolutely black during the Bridgeport rebuild. Horrible. They clean up fine. They almost look new in the picture and they absolutely are not!

Last, you can see how well my white crayon trick holds up. That was one of my first posts on garagejournal probably 10 years ago! I didnt do these wrenches 10 years ago, but it’s been several years. It holds up and it helps!
I didn't realize Snap-On Black oxide wrenches had such a textured hammerscale look to them. Very cool.
 

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I didn't realize Snap-On Black oxide wrenches had such a textured hammerscale look to them. Very cool.
Sensing this wasn't sarcasm. Yeah, they don't have a textured finish. They are smooth and pretty when new. These wrenches are probably 20+yrs old. What you see is corrosion and gunk that I should be sanding off and refinishing. The 3/4" on the right (vertical) is how they look when they are new. The question is, do you remove the original black oxide and refinish the wrench with cold blue, or just use the cold blue as a touch up. I've done the latter. Cold Blue is not the same, not as durable, as black oxide.

I've talked about these wrenches before. I think I paid $150 incl shipping for these. The set was missing one or two sizes, which I found on eBay pretty easily/cheaply. Notice the size markings moved from on the heads to on the shank (the right hand 3/4" is the newer style).

The 13/16 and 11/16 look really rough! That could be just surface oil. I oiled them right before taking the picture. I've also determined that the tools that are the most corroded are often the tools I use the least. 13/16 and 11/16" fit that description. So it really could be years of neglect.
 

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For our UK friends, we call the hinging tools “spanners”. The non- hinged tools “wrenches”. Shown are “pin spanners”, “hook spanners” and “face spanners”. These are essential for many industrial applications, but I have them specifically for joints on my bridgeport milling machine. Not sure what these would be called in the UK, but I’ve heard people say we don’t use the term “Spanner“ here in the US and that’s not true. If anyone was interested in what those tools are, that’s what we call them and why I have them.
We actually use very similar terminology.

Both the pin spanners and hook spanners we would call “C Spanners” and that’s the same term whether they are hinged or not. (The hinged type would be called an “adjustable C spanner”.

The tool that you call a “face spanner” we would call a “pin spanner”, and again that would apply to both fixed and adjustable versions.

Most of the fixed type tend to be supplied with / kept with specific machine tools. I’ve got a drawer of them, but if I need one for a new application I seldom seem to have the right size, so for most uses the adjustable pattern seem to be superior.

As a matter of interest, where my older tools are concerned (either those in my family for many years, or those acquired used) the black oxide tools have often lasted better than the chrome.

If chrome gets damaged, or rust gets underneath, that tool becomes unpleasant / dangerous to use straight away. If a black oxide or plain steel tool gets damaged, you can dress out any marks and carry on.
 

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Was in the machine shop this morning and took a couple pics as promised.

IMG_8152.jpeg

Snap on makes a huge range of SAE 3/8” 12 pts. The big 3/8” one is 1”. Not sure if the 1/4” goes up to 5/8”. I use the 9/16” often, but not sure about 5/8”. As I said, none of these are impact sockets they are “G code” non-impact sockets.

The extensions are a mixed bag of 1/4” and 3/8”. I found that tray on eBay, and whatever I paid for it was too much, but I like these sorts of organizers, especially for extensions and especially for black ones.

Quick story, before I started where I work, a mechanic left an Allen wrench in a bolt head in an aircraft transmission. He just missed it. So did the quality inspector and probably a half dozen other mechanics. That aircraft came down pretty quickly, killing its crew. Allen wrenches are HARD. Keep track of your tools!

IMG_8153.jpeg
Here’s the wrench drawer if anyone is interested. This shop will probably maintain any heavy equipment I buy in the future (currently shopping for a skid steer). So the big sizes are helpful. Some have already come in handy. Most of my work so far has generally stopped at 15/16”.

For our UK friends, we call the hinging tools “spanners”. The non- hinged tools “wrenches”. Shown are “pin spanners”, “hook spanners” and “face spanners”. These are essential for many industrial applications, but I have them specifically for joints on my bridgeport milling machine. Not sure what these would be called in the UK, but I’ve heard people say we don’t use the term “Spanner“ here in the US and that’s not true. If anyone was interested in what those tools are, that’s what we call them and why I have them.

I gave these tools a quick wipe down with oil before I took the picture. Worth mentioning, you really have to routinely oil or protect these black oxide tools somehow. And regular reapplication is a must. Even the screwdrivers are black oxide. BTW, some of their handles were absolutely black during the Bridgeport rebuild. Horrible. They clean up fine. They almost look new in the picture and they absolutely are not!

Last, you can see how well my white crayon trick holds up. That was one of my first posts on garagejournal probably 10 years ago! I didnt do these wrenches 10 years ago, but it’s been several years. It holds up and it helps!
We used those wrenches for fire fighting equipment. They were used to tighten hoses to nozzles and the fire fighting water mains. They used 1 1/2" and 2 1/2" connections.
 

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I have Tekton 3/8 drive in both SAE & metric, 6 & 12 pt. I wasn't aware they were supposed to be special?
I have an older set of 1/4 drive deep MM from Tekton in 6pt. I like them they fit the bolts or nuts and they turn them, what does a “special”socket do that these Tektons don’t?
 

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Price check the Snap-on stuff online, take a picture of the cash needed and text it to the Snap-on dealer.

If he doesn't reply in 2 days, order it online.
NO! F that Snap-On guy. Why should a customer have to genuflect before the Snap-On truck? If he doesn't recognize an easy sale screw him.
Plenty of good used available if OP must have SO, or on-line as you suggest if feeling spendy. Good old USA Craftsman in 12 pt. is in every thrift store, garage sale, etc. for next to nothing(aside the guys thinking they have collectibles)and will serve the purpose well. A few sizes will cover the OP's engine's fasteners.
Sorry for dragging up an old thread
 
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Snap On, at least in my region(Northeast US), has a BOGO this month on 12 point SAE sockets. Buy the deep, get the shallow free.
 

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I just built a 383 stroker motor at my uncles that is covered in 12 point arp bolts. Unfortunately I have no 12 point sockets. Like all of us on here it is a good excuse to buy more tools. I mainly use icon but unfortunately no 12 point sockets so I was going to buy a snap on 211FY 12 point sae set but my local snap on guy is not responding to texts (Not a shop just home mechanic on own cars). So now I am debating do I try and find another local rep or should I look at something like williams?

My box is a mix of icon and snap on currently why I default to icon or snap on.

Allergy to easy money seems to be common among the tool truck drivers. You can offer to meet them at one of their regular stops, to pay cash money and provide a list of what you need in advance but they'll still rebuff you. :dunno:

NO! F that Snap-On guy. Why should a customer have to genuflect before the Snap-On truck? If he doesn't recognize an easy sale screw him.
:+1:
 

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Allergy to easy money seems to be common among the tool truck drivers. You can offer to meet them at one of their regular stops, to pay cash money and provide a list of what you need in advance but they'll still rebuff you. :dunno:
Then proceed to piss and moan about how hard it is to make a living, deadbeat customers, etc.
 

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I've been happy with my old USA SK 12 point sockets. I typically use 6 point but I got the 12 point set really cheap on eBay a few years ago. Someone earlier in the thread recommended used and I would also suggest it.
 

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If you want Snap-On without the “Snap-On” brand name look at CAT sockets. Part number 199-6156. It’s a 13pc 1/2” drive metric 12-pt socket set 12mm-24mm. It’s made by Snap-On and even has the Snap-On date codes on the sockets. Cost is $85. Just go to your local CAT dealer and order it, I bet they would have it next day.

The SAE equivalent 12pt set only comes in deep well and is CAT part number 214-1161. It’s 11pc 1/2” Drive 12pt Deep Socket set. No 12pt regulars in 1/2” drive SAE unfortunately. Made by Snap-On as well and covers 1/2” - 1-1/8”.

12pt 3/8” drive metric 194-3574
12pt 3/8” drive deep SAE 214-6490
I have a set of these for 12pt and they have been good.
 

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There isn’t much to add to this thread. I agree with anyone saying to buy on the secondary market. SAE goes for very little. You could probably find a set that spans from 3/8” drive to 1/2” (1/4” to 1 1/4”) from an estate sale with a lot of tools.
 

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1. How fast do you need them?
2. Do you need a full set?

Agree with above - look at yard sales if you have time. If you do not care about them all looking the same - even better. If you do not need a full set right away - great as well!

We all have a lot of random 12 point sockets.

Write where you are located, what sizes (drive and size) you are looking for and lets see what members in your area have (if they have extras)

If you want everything fast and plan to use the set a lot, then
- Used Snap On on FM, CL
- Koken
- Used SK, Proto?
- ? excuse to buy cool vintage set?
 

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Seriously. Spend that money on something that gets used more often.
This: Sounds like you built one engine in how many years, and otherwise are a part time hobbiest, not a professional forty hour per week mechanic working flat rate.

Almost any brand of sockets will handle that, probably for the rest of your life. The “Quality” brands most are hawking are quality tools, but for your use they’re eye candy and ego boosters, good got and bragging rights, not something necessary to do a good job.

If you want them, that’s fine, but understand that you’re buying the professional grade tools for your ego, not because they’re necessary to complete your project. Common Gearwrench, Tekton, or most anything commercially available that’s not a dollar store special will be fine.
 

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I would do the Proto ,they are a great socket ,at a great price.You will appreciate the quality,many of us Proto fanboys believe they are as good as Snap on.

And there's a reason the pear-head dates back to before WWII and is still being made to this date--while low tooth count, it's a solid ratchet. I like mine because it's easy maintenance, and I don't have to order anything--I can get the kits to go in the ratchets from a local mine supply.

Honestly, for light use, there's little that is bad. Just in terms of local availability--Die Hard/Advance, Kobalt/Lowe's, and Pittsburgh/Quinn at HFT are all pretty darn good options at pocket change. That being said, I have some cheapo "MADE IN TAIWAN" ratchets and sockets from the '80s that still work great.
 

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My opinion, if you are going to buy cheap sockets, these are a REALLY bad idea. Buy cheap 6pts to work on your lawn mower. You have less chance of rounding the crappy socket or even crappier lawn mower bolt. Cheap 6 pts are often good enough. Cheap impacts can be indistinguishable from nice ones, at least when they are new.

If you encounter real, by God 12pt fasteners, you want better quality sockets because they could be ridiculously tight, hard to replace, and/or expensive.

12pt metrics show up on passenger cars occasionally and always in high torque applications. I have a single set of 1/2” chrome 12pts in my box for just these applications. Been awhile for me since I last encountered one. It was a Land Rover brake caliper bolt and the torque was very very high. I imagine the bolt would have been expensive to replace. Quinn 12pts? No thank you.
 
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