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On to the electronics!!
The electronic circuits in the Sun distributor testers, in my opinion, were very well designed to perform their intended task, that is, measuring how well the distributor was doing its job. The earliest testers from the 1940s through the 1970s are remarkably similar in basic construction, but the design progressed steadily with higher speed capability, upgraded power supplies and components, elimination of the batteries to power the meters with an internal power, etc.
Thomas' 600 tester is in the middle of the evolution, and is well capable of handling most distributors. One of the major change made during the rehab was the elimination of the batteries. As mentioned before in a previous post, the tachometer circuit used a 1.35V mercury battery because it had the desireable characteristic of maintaining a near-constant voltage throughout its useful life. Most owners of these testers, I suspect, use a 1.5V AA battery which is more like 1.6V new, which will give a false high RPM reading. Worse yet, it will slowly go "downhill" from there.
The dwell meter does not have this problem, as it has an internal calibration feature; nonetheless, not having to change batteries is a nice upgrade.

Sun used high quality electronic components for the time. However, some components, notably the capacitors, especially the paper and electrolytic types, are prone to failure over time. So, it is prudent to replace them.

Here are the original circuit boards

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To fix things up, separate AC adapters were used, one for tach, the other for dwell. The adapters were plugged into a power strip and located in the main cabinet (no picture). Two separate regulating circuits were fabricated and mounted:
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The capacitors, and any other suspect components were replaced with high quality parts. It is always a good idea to double check component values:

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The meters are very well made, and the rule of thumb here is - unless you know exactly what you are doing , leave them alone, don't go looking for trouble. The meters were cleaned up, and a couple of mods were made. First, a small amount of adhesive was applied to reinforce a joint in the armature. Second, a ground strap was added per the picture. This was a design upgrade by Sun and all their later meters have the ground strap. So now Thomas, you have updated meters!
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We are almost done. I will get this project wrapped up in one or two more posts.

OK let's get this done!
The specification scroll itself was in very good condition, considering its age, and after some careful cleaning, scotch tape on the paper in spots, and a touch of lube on the scroll shafts, it was brought back to usefulness. I don't have a good close up of the finished product, unfortunately.
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Once the tester was put all back together, the tach, dwell, and condenser circuits & meters were recalibrated per the Sun specifications. A laser non contact tachometer was used to indicate the true speed. A piece of reflective tape was put on the distributor shaft to provide a pickup for the laser. These laser tachs are pretty accurate and reasonably priced. The condenser tester was calibrated using 1% tolerance capacitors at the low, medium, and high range of the meter.

There is not much to do to the vacuum gauge except cleaning it and making sure it has low hysteresis, that is, it reads the same whether increasing or decreasing, and comparing the reading to other known good gauges.
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The tester is now ready to go to work. Here is an abbreviated description of a typical test:

The distributor is mounted, and the elevation of the clamp arms is adjusted so that the shaft is not biased against the axial end stops. The condenser is tested first. Then, the dwell meter is calibrated, followed by checking point resistance. If a point tension gage is available, it is used. If all is well, the distributor is run at low speed and the degree ring is set to "0". The mechanical advance is then checked by adjusting the speed and reading the degree ring. It is important to check the advance from both an increasing and decreasing speed, to detect for any binding. All lobes are checked for uniformity.
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As the speed increases, the dwelll will eventually decrease when the point tension can no longer maintain the point arm against the cam. When this occurs, additional strobe flashes show up as a "misfire".
The vacuum advance is checked by maintaining a fixed speed, and reading the advance at different vacuum levels. It is important to check in both the increasing and decreasing vacuum direction for the same reason as above.
Notice in this picture the advance weights have swiung outward. Also, you can catch a part of the cleaned up scroll.
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Of course, points now are a rarity; however, the tester is still quite able to accomodate the newer distributors. For the Pertronix conversions, all that is needed is a 9V battery across the red and black leads of the Pertronix, and the distributor lead is connected to the black Pertronix lead. For other distributors with magnetic or Hall triggers (HEI, Dura Spark, etc.) a pulse adapter can be used, either purchased or fabricated. A simple pulse adapter can be fabricated with an HEI module and power supply.

Well, I think that just about wraps things up. I thoroughly enjoyed bringing Thomas' tester back to workhorse condition. It's now back in its rightful place a the shop, ready to perform whenever the need arises!
 
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Make the adaptor for the HEI and I'll send Thomas my distributor for testing Bob.:bounce: Then we can see how well it will work on my turbo car.:beer:
 
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Awesome thread , great job

chris from switzerland

Hello Chris, I have been negligent acknowledging your greetings and for that I apologize. As you might have guessed I have a rather "unconventional" work schedule that keeps me from getting back here as timely as I would like sometimes. That and I'm trying to avoid poor Joe in his endless quest for tools!! (thought I'd forgot, didn't ya? :dunno:)

I've also been getting the Chevy II...

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...ready for the season ending race this weekend. Looks like the weather's going to let us get it done! I changed the rear gear ratio that I predict the car will like. I'll let you know how it goes afterward.

All that said I wanted to thank you for your support and interest here. I've spent considerable time in the Zurich and Geneva areas among others and find Switzerland to be as beautiful a country as they come. Check back to see more equipment restoration coming this way as well as other "interesting" projects. :)

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Wow, we ended up on page 4! How does this happen? Tom must be off doing that flying thing again. I hope he returns soon and give us our "fix" of goodies.
 

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Over 1,000,000 views here?? Whoa!!
Impressive. I must've been dozing as that went by.
 
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It's the number of countries and states that have posted in that matter! Hope you're studying (yes, I really am working on the promised quiz). We've been super busy here buttoning up the house and pond for winter, planting grass where needed, hitting the last car club and drag race activities of the season, and just generally doing what we normally do in the Center of the Universe. It's great that the weather has held up this long! I am not looking forward to the cold weather setting in!

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Wow, we ended up on page 4! How does this happen? Tom must be off doing that flying thing again. I hope he returns soon and give us our "fix" of goodies.

Quite observant BigAl! Nice as this flying is, it does disrupt my postings here. You all might send a note to the Chief Pilot and see what you can do about that. :D I've got some material I'll get on here shortly, even though I'm "on the road" so to speak. :) Thanks for waiting.

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I've done some drag racing at your strip in Charleston
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I've raced at Coles County a little, but since it's an 1/8 mile strip I prefer Morocco, IN which is a proper 1/4 mile. It's a much longer drive to Morocco, but that's what the gearing in the car is set up for. Charleston works well for 60' times and practicing the lights though. Nice people there too. If you do ever see me at Charleston, stop on by say hi.

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OK here's an update on the Barn Bench-

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I used biscuits to aline the backsplash with the rear of the 2 tops...

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I'm sorry but I can't find the photographs showing them, but all you woodworkers know what they are. For the rest of you if you really want to know, well, just google - wood working biscuits.

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The backsplash was then attached with metal plates I made...

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...I decided that I didn't need to glue the backsplash to the tops...

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...there isn't a strength issue here. The backsplash's job is really only to prevent objects from rolling off the back of the bench. As such it only needed to be held in place and these plates do that and provide for the ability to remove the backsplash should that ever be necessary.

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The top was then sealed with satin Varathane Polyurethane. Here it is still wet showing a gloss and...

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...here it is dry and satin...

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...with only one coat applied.

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I will build up the top finish with at least 3-4 more coats, sanding between each.

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No stain was applied to the top, the clear finish bringing out the natural grain of the maple. The base cabinet is getting 3 more coats of Danish Oil. These last 3 coats on the base will have a darker, brown stain than the first 3. The color shown is more yellow than it really is and by applying a darker brown stain for the last coats should change it visually in photographs also. Now that the racing season is effectively over I can put more time into this and the tool shed before moving on to the next project.

It's the journey, not the destination and I'm really enjoying the process as much as the results.

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It's the journey, not the destination and I'm really enjoying the process as much as the results.
Although you have to admit, the results are pretty incredible. :)

It makes me wonder about the journey that bench will take over its lifespan, which will probably be the next 300 years or so. Very nice.
 
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Although you have to admit, the results are pretty incredible. :)

It makes me wonder about the journey that bench will take over its lifespan, which will probably be the next 300 years or so. Very nice.

Jack that's an interesting thought and something that crossed my mind during it's construction. I've got 3 cabinetmakers work benches in my wood shop that have all wooden screws on the shoulder and tail vices- no metal anywhere. They are solid maple and well over 100-125 years old and still going strong. As well built as they are, this new bench is much more robust and I wonder what it's fate will be over the decades and perhaps centuries. Due to it's large size and unusual configuration I suspect it would remain in place in the barn for the foreseeable future. The one thing I wonder most about would be whomever owns it 100 years from; are they are going to wonder who built it and why, just as I wonder about the craftsman who made my cabinetmakers benches. I typically stamp my name and date of construction somewhere on my work, maybe I should also include the web address for this thread. Wouldn't that be a hoot if they could dig up it's history that way?!

Keep up the nice work with your shop and make sure to sign that arched bench of yours! :thumbup:

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Very nice bench....:) I like almost as much as that cute little chevy Nova .

Vernmotor, you not only have a hot shoe with your daughter as a driver, you clearly recognize superb equipment and machinery. Ya, the little Chevy II is a sweetheart all right. Scoots right down the track! :3gears:

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Flying, racing AND drifting onto the lift, are we? The talents that come out of this thread are amazing.

Dave.

Hello there Dave and welcome. Thank you for the observation and keep in mind what I'm trying to accomplish here. First of all, that is to show preserving and honoring the past, to show what is possible with effort, and once you decide on a project, give it your best effort. If it's worthy of your time, it's worthy of doing it to the highest level that you can.

Oh ya, and have fun, did I mention that? Life is short and if you're not having fun........what's the point?! :bounce:

Thanks again.

Thomas
 

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I typically stamp my name and date of construction somewhere on my work, maybe I should also include the web address for this thread. Wouldn't that be a hoot if they could dig up it's history that way?!

Thomas

I think adding a web address would be a good idea Thomas. It would show the care and detail you put into the bench as well as maybe give the future family members a way to connect to you after you're gone.:beer:

On a side note, I'll see about posting a pic for you of some maple I stained several years ago. I learned a really good trick to bring the grain structure out when you have a piece that is really plain looking. On a clear piece like maple, cover it with walnut stain and let it sit for at least 24 hours. Sand all of the stain off and then coat it. On walnut that shows little grain, I coat it down with ebony stain and do the same. The stain will soak into the soft sections and really make the grain pop out so you can take a plain piece and make it something really nice.:bounce:
 
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Vernmotor, you not only have a hot shoe with your daughter as a driver, you clearly recognize superb equipment and machinery. Ya, the little Chevy II is a sweetheart all right. Scoots right down the track! :3gears:

Thomas

Just to let you know. Last weekend was the last for the year..She won on Sat.Then paid my way to race on Sun and I got down to the last 3 cars.and the weekend before. I had won on Friday night. She said Wow the old man still got it in him ! LOL.. So she still got to listen to me every now and then LOL
 

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This isn't the normal woodwork that's done here but the wood turned out really nice. The maple is easier to see and both are coated in a low reflective finish since these are hunting rifles. I built these several years ago but it should give you some idea of how nicely you can make a plain pice of wood look with a little work.:) Just in case you guys are wondering, I used to own a machine shop and gunsmithing service but the current climate killed it.:mad:
 

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Very nice work, charlief1! We have a friend who use to make gun stocks. Wood can be very beautiful. I like the low reflective finish more; otherwise it looks like plastic.

As for Tom's restoration of the shop, it was never meant as a lesson to anyone else. It was for his own satisfaction and use (and it was never anticipated that his (our) life would become so public). "Preserving and honoring the past", knowing that anything "is possible with effort, and once you decide on a project, give it your best effort" and complete it is a good summary of Tom's life. That's just the way he operates in everything (because of the influence of his parents). If his work happens to motivate others toward the same goals, all the better!

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This is absolutely amazing! I have spent the past 3 hours reading this thread. You sir are the MASTER!

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...On a side note, I'll see about posting a pic for you of some maple I stained several years ago. I learned a really good trick to bring the grain structure out when you have a piece that is really plain looking. On a clear piece like maple, cover it with walnut stain and let it sit for at least 24 hours. Sand all of the stain off and then coat it. On walnut that shows little grain, I coat it down with ebony stain and do the same. The stain will soak into the soft sections and really make the grain pop out so you can take a plain piece and make it something really nice.:bounce:

This isn't the normal woodwork that's done here but the wood turned out really nice. The maple is easier to see and both are coated in a low reflective finish since these are hunting rifles. I built these several years ago but it should give you some idea of how nicely you can make a plain pice of wood look with a little work.:)...

Great idea and results charlief1. It's always a chronic problem with maple since it's such tight grain and normally not too highly figured unless you use some exotics like tiger maple.

The dilemma I found/find myself in with the bench is where to draw the line on the finish for it. If you put an intense effort into the finish I suspect you'd be reluctant to use it as a tool which is what it was constructed for. On the other hand it represents the maker and as such makes a statement about that persons abilities/attitude toward their work. As with many things it's a balance. I want a piece that is handsome to look at, inviting to touch and robust enough to survive the ages and yet at the same time not get bogged down in spending too much time on the piece. Your suggestion sounds like a good way to handle that. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us here. :)

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Just to let you know. Last weekend was the last for the year..She won on Sat.Then paid my way to race on Sun and I got down to the last 3 cars.and the weekend before. I had won on Friday night. She said Wow the old man still got it in him ! LOL.. So she still got to listen to me every now and then LOL

All I can say is the apple doesn't fall very far from the tree Vernmotor, congratulations X2! :thumbup:

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This is absolutely amazing! I have spent the past 3 hours reading this thread. You sir are the MASTER!

Dave

Hello there Dave and welcome. Actually I've been called 'da man before but "the MASTER" is a new one. It kinda' has a nice ring to it don't you think Chris? :D Oh ya that could work very well. Thanks Dave, you are 'da man!:bounce:

Thomas
 
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Tom,

"Hello there Dave and welcome. Actually I've been called 'da man before but "the MASTER" is a new one. It kinda' has a nice ring to it don't you think Chris? Oh ya that could work very well. Thanks Dave, you are 'da man!"

You are treading on thin ice, be very careful! Please remember, Behind every successful man, stands an amazed Mother-in-Law!!
 

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Great idea and results charlief1. It's always a chronic problem with maple since it's such tight grain and normally not too highly figured unless you use some exotics like tiger maple.

The dilemma I found/find myself in with the bench is where to draw the line on the finish for it. If you put an intense effort into the finish I suspect you'd be reluctant to use it as a tool which is what it was constructed for. On the other hand it represents the maker and as such makes a statement about that persons abilities/attitude toward their work. As with many things it's a balance. I want a piece that is handsome to look at, inviting to touch and robust enough to survive the ages and yet at the same time not get bogged down in spending too much time on the piece. Your suggestion sounds like a good way to handle that. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us here. :)

Thomas

Thanks for the compliments Thomas. Ironically it was an accident that I discovered it. The thumb hole stock wasn't really anything pretty and I was intending on making it a good shooter. Several of my friends saw the now black stock and raised hell with me so I sanded it down. That's when I discovered the trick and it really works so nicely I just kept doing it on very plain wood.:beer:
 
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Tom,

"Hello there Dave and welcome. Actually I've been called 'da man before but "the MASTER" is a new one. It kinda' has a nice ring to it don't you think Chris? Oh ya that could work very well. Thanks Dave, you are 'da man!"

You are treading on thin ice, be very careful! Please remember, Behind every successful man, stands an amazed Mother-in-Law!!

Sweet Old Bill, without going into much detail, in my case it's an amazed Father-in-Law! :D


Now Chris you know I was just joking, right Chris.........right Chris.........oh Chris.................I didn't really mean it...........well not in a bad way...........honest..............:eek: :sad:

Looks like I'll be solo doing hot dogs and baked beans for me for the next week, sigh.............man I hate when those things just slip out, hate that..............

Thomas
 

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Sweet Old Bill - I was going to say "amazed FIL" as well! Also MIL! My family doesn't seem to be on the same page as we are (or vice versa). No one I know has as wide a range of skills as Tom (other than his late father).

And Tom - how did you guess what we'd be eating this week? (In all honesty everyone, it's one of my favorite meals next to grilled cheese with tomato soup. Very simple tastes here! I eat simple things when he's not home or make my signature chicken stew which lasts for a week. Saves lots of money on the grocery bill and gas to go to the store. I do try to cook when he's home.) (BTW Omphaloskeptic, I happen to like the airline food available before it became an extra-purchase item; but then I really liked the school lunches where I taught for 30+years - we had great cooks who made homemade rolls daily and did wonders with what they were given - lunch only cost $2 when I retired 2 years ago - students paid $1.50 and actually ate the lunch - choice of 3 entrees (one was pizza) and/or salad bar, milk, fruit or juice, and milk. Dessert was only 30 cents extra (or free if it was government commodity-based). Saved time in shopping for or packing lunch.).

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Chris, does Thomas have to pay for food when he is the driver? lol

Your school's cooks must have truly been magicians considering their budget constraints.

Tell your hubby you'll call him master only after he starts addressing you as 'Your Majesty'. I've got a feeling he already treats you as his Queen, so it is only right that the title be used!
 

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Hi Thomas and Chris,

I've just read the thread for the second time since I found it in 2009.
I originally found it after the bunker thread was posted on my car forum.

This time round I showed my Fiancee why I wasn't paying attention to whatever it was that she was saying, and being the girl of my dreams that she is, she completely understood that your thread is a vortex and to catch me whilst I waited for page loads. :D
(She was also fascinated by the Walker Jack restore, which was new to me this time.)

Thank you for sharing your story with the world, the thread is very well known around the place, and I know that thanks to a couple mentions of it on my Facebook, you would have at least one new reader (Hi Lukey if you make it this far...)

I have two questions/requests of you Thomas, if you would care to indulge?

Your aerial shots recently, I notice a third driveway entrance off the right, is this the entrance for the house?

Could we please see some pictures of the rest of the property? I don't recall anything of the house that is to be knocked down, which is something that fascinates me.

Cheers, now that I have a log in I will be able to pick up where I left off with ease in the future!

Gavin.
 

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Welcome, Gavin031 - I think we've become a "destination" for Aussies!
Look at post #3683, third picture from the end. The third driveway you see on the right belongs to another house which we don't own (yet?) which use to belong to one of the sons. The house which will be razed is to the right of the restored shop where the second driveway branches. The trees are in full leaf in this picture and hide things well (much to Tom's liking). You can see that remarkably unremarkable house better in the last picture of the sequence. The third picture from the end shows the entire property.
Post #1110 gives a good view of most of the property from the east looking west.
Enjoy! (reading the thread twice will help you on the future quiz)

Omphaloskeptic - no titles here; we're an equal partnership household (he doesn't usually cook, but he does his own work laundry(!) and I don't usually do outdoor work.

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Hi Thomas and Chris,

I've just read the thread for the second time since I found it in 2009.
I originally found it after the bunker thread was posted on my car forum.

This time round I showed my Fiancee why I wasn't paying attention to whatever it was that she was saying, and being the girl of my dreams that she is, she completely understood that your thread is a vortex and to catch me whilst I waited for page loads. :D
(She was also fascinated by the Walker Jack restore, which was new to me this time.)

Thank you for sharing your story with the world, the thread is very well known around the place, and I know that thanks to a couple mentions of it on my Facebook, you would have at least one new reader (Hi Lukey if you make it this far...)

I have two questions/requests of you Thomas, if you would care to indulge?

Your aerial shots recently, I notice a third driveway entrance off the right, is this the entrance for the house?

Could we please see some pictures of the rest of the property? I don't recall anything of the house that is to be knocked down, which is something that fascinates me.

Cheers, now that I have a log in I will be able to pick up where I left off with ease in the future!

Gavin.

Hello Gavin and thanks for your interest. If your Fiancee likes the Walker story and is understanding and accepting of the vortex here, then marry the young lady. She sounds like a keeper without a doubt!! :thumbup:

The house in question was one build by one of the son's (a contractor) back in the 1960's a few hundred feet from the family home. It sits on a small lot and is a private residence that I've tried hard to not feature here as I don't want to intrude on their privacy. They are super nice folks and I'm fortunate to have them as neighbors.

The family home, the one that will be "repurposed" (knocked down sounds so harsh don't you think?) has been shown and talked about on a few posts here. I'm in Brazil at present making it difficult to review which posts but it's there. I'll put something together for you once I get back, if you can't find what I referring to.

If you've read all this a second time I can only think you must be as enthusiastic and intrigued by the shops history and story as I am. :)

Cheers to you mate.

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Sweet Old Bill - I was going to say "amazed FIL" as well! Also MIL! My family doesn't seem to be on the same page as we are (or vice versa). No one I know has as wide a range of skills as Tom (other than his late father)....

Chris

Now Chris, no fair embarrassing me when I'm gone and not home to defend myself! There are some out there who don't know you're just kidding around with that skill stuff...

Home soon!!!!!:bounce:

Jack of all trades, master of none.

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Ok, since I'm not home yet, I'm limited with posts but here's a little project I completed a last month.

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I have a couple of diesel powered pieces of equipment and fueling them, especially my tractor has been something of a hassle. To fuel it, I've had to lift a 5 gallon fuel can about shoulder level pouring into a funnel with limited space since the windshield prevents the hood from completely opening. After giving it some thought this is what I settled on.

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Now I only have to lift a nozzle and a bit of hose...

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I used a plastic 55 gallon (208 Liters) barrel on a 5 wheel dolly and installed a 12 volt, self-priming pump...

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...hose and nozzle.

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By using a 12 volt pump it can be powered by just connecting it to the tractor or mower battery making it rather self-sufficient. The wheeled dolly allows the barrel to be moved around the barn easily. Contractors and farmers use the same setup to fuel their equipment out on the job fueling from tanks on the back of a pickup truck. I normally just connect the leads on the pump to a 12 volt jump pack to save the tractor battery and it works quite well. Since this is farm country, I can get diesel fuel delivered to the barn in bulk with no problem. Now what was a hassle and at times somewhat messy is accomplished cleanly and easily.

Thomas
 
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