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Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop

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Re: Restored 1930's Auto Shop Will Continue

For the longest time, Lou has wanted me to put a level on the switch plate cover.



His theory is that the cover is actually level, it's the clap board siding that's crooked! :thumbup:


But then again, it's grown on me over the years. I take comfort knowing all is well with the world if I look over at the cover and see it askew. I still get visitors to shop asking about it and wanting to see it in person. It's become a feature of the shop now. Who knew................:dunno:

Thomas



'Not a defect, it's a feature.' :D
 
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Re: Restored 1930's Auto Shop Will Continue

For the longest time, Lou has wanted me to put a level on the switch plate cover.



His theory is that the cover is actually level, it's the clap board siding that's crooked! :thumbup:


But then again, it's grown on me over the years. I take comfort knowing all is well with the world if I look over at the cover and see it askew. I still get visitors to shop asking about it and wanting to see it in person. It's become a feature of the shop now. Who knew................:dunno:

Thomas

Sand the bottom of the board so it becomes flush with it!
 

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rlwhitetr3b - that has been what I thought all along. The building definitely has its unique characteristics that we have to adjust to.

It was cold all week, but deck construction continued. Hope to have it finished next week.

Chris
 

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MAN! Something odd just happened.... I've been reading this thread for about a week and all of a sudden there wasn't another page to turn to!

Another "VV" here.... That's "Vortex Victim" if it's not an acronym already coined.

All I can say to Thomas and Chris and the rest of the crew here is man what an inspiring ride.... there's history and learning and joy and pain and life.

It's been so good that I went on ebay and bought these tags.

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Much like a gun owner with a magazine for a weapon he doesn't own or a girl with a pair of shoes for a dress that she wants.... now I've got the tags for a car from my past that I'm going to have to reacquire.

Thanks for the push.

TG

Thomas and Chris,

And the rest of the Vortex Victims....

Here's what reading this thread, seeing and feeling the comunity and what good things come from hard work and a good life inspired...

Not a long read, but you'll see what the tags will be on eventually... and again... thanks for the push:

https://classiccougarcommunity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=8564


TG
 

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stonesg -- they say confession is good for the soul. You're on track to a full recovery... restoration of your past negligence is a start. Your sister was sure patient, letting that sit at her place for all those years. I'm glad we may have had some part in kick-starting your project. (I think you got the order wrong with the engine compartment of this "gem" - shouldn't it read "the luxury squirrel bathroom/condo apartment/kitchen/diningroom"? I wonder if they chewed off the wire harness.)

Chris
 

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Chris,

Wires actually look pretty good but they are going to be replaced as they are butchered on the other side of the firewall.

Car's a mess but it's a labor of love inspired by another.

TG
 
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Tom, I know you are a member over on Old Willys Forum but I am not sure how much you check there, so I came here. We need a pic of Gus submitted for our calendar. If you do not have one you want to submit or do not have time, let me know if I have your permission to submit one on your behalf.

http://www.oldwillysforum.com/forum/showthread.php?12508-2018-OWF-calendar/page4

Many thanks bryceaugustine for thinking of Gus...




... for such an honor. Yes, it's true I am a member on the oldwillysforum (great, great group I might add!), but I've just been flat out preoccupied working around here and haven't been over there in many months. :eek:

As I said, it would be an honor to submit a picture of Gus, so I'll check through what I have or take some that might be more suitable. Is the above picture something of what you have in mind?

Thomas
 

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Thomas, that is something like what I had in mind. I figure anything with gus and glimpse of the old auto shop would be good.
 

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My first post on the site having been 'pointed towards' your thread by Grizz (Ryan). It has taken me many months if dipping in and out to get up to date.
WOW

An amazing set of builds documented here. Many thanks for taking the time to share them with the world.
Dave
 

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Thanks dave1350. Rian does his best at bringing more friends into the vortex that is the COTU! Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. And welcome to our world.

Chris
 
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Decks Completion

Chris,

Wires actually look pretty good but they are going to be replaced as they are butchered on the other side of the firewall.

Car's a mess but it's a labor of love inspired by another.

TG

TG, I'm a little late congratulating you on your vintage Cougar. You have a long road ahead of you but just enjoy the journey getting it road worthy. That has it's own rewards. Thanks for sharing.

My first post on the site having been 'pointed towards' your thread by Grizz (Ryan). It has taken me many months if dipping in and out to get up to date.
WOW

An amazing set of builds documented here. Many thanks for taking the time to share them with the world.
Dave

Hi Dave and thanks for the nice words of encouragement. I have no doubt it took many months to take it all in. Glad you feel it was worth the effort. I've got a bunch more headed this way. Stay in touch with us here.

Happy Thanksgiving all, I'm certainly thankful for Chris and Thomas and this thread. David

Many thanks David for the good wishes.

Here are some pictures of "the decks". They were mostly completed in these pictures and as of now, they are all done, just in time for winter. :eek:



The stone wall that is hiding the standby power generator will have that blue tarp replaced with a limestone cap. Most likely that will have to wait until spring. As you can see, the stone wall blends in perfectly with the existing stone corner.



Here's an overview of the main deck and the masonry walls on either side of the generator, seen on the left. Note the roof has only 2 penetrations in this view. In fact the roof only has 4 penetrations all together. The fireplace chimney and 3 plumbing vents. The fewer penetrations in a roof, the less places for leaks and is more energy efficient.



Here's a nice view of the back side of the stone wall showing I used brick on the side facing the deck. The generator installation is all done. I also installed on the generator both a block and a battery heater for more reliable starts in the winter. The generator engine uses Mobil 1 synthetic oil, but using a block heater will also help minimize engine wear when staring in super cold (below -0 Fahrenheit) weather. It's programed to automatically start once a week and run for 20 minutes to exercise it. 2 days after in was all done, we had a brief (less than 10 minutes) power outage and it worked perfectly. Ready for winter!





Blind fasteners were used on all the deck boards so there are no fasteners seen. 1/8" (0.3175 cm) stainless steel cable was used instead of conventional balusters on the railing.



It provides for a clean look and doesn't block the view from the deck. On the right side is the ramp...



...that will make getting on and off the deck much easier for older folks.

There are 2 steps from the deck...



...down to the generator. Here's a detail on how the steps were made.



I didn't want end grain showing on side of the bottom step. Biscuits were used to keep everything in the same plane.





There is enough clearance for the fireplace combustion air intake, seen behind the steps,...



...to open and close freely.



This is the other deck off of the garage.



It has 2 ramps. Next spring, a concrete pad will be poured at the end of the ramp on the left. Azek decking, https://azek.com/products/decking is what was used for all the exterior material. It requires zero maintenance and all fasteners and hardware are stainless steel.

With all the details involved, the decks were a relatively big project but I'm quite happy with the results. The deck floors and ramps are rock solid, look good and should last a long time. That pretty well concludes all outside house construction, but never fear, there is more material coming this way. Thanks everyone. Have a safe and joyous Holiday.

Thomas
 

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Thomas, that all looks very good. I particularly like the use of stainless cable.

When securing the Azek decking did you have to conventionally screw the outer edge of the first and last boards? Or did you find a way around that?

Thanks
David
 

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What an awesome deck and workmanship, again.

I am pleased that you are future proofing the house as well.

I often see things I do, not for today, but rather the future and try to work accordingly.
 
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Thomas,

No worries.... I KNOW you are a busy guy!

You just have to know that I was reading and thinking how I wish I had my hands on a car that was simple, from a simpler time and that I and my Honey could take to get burgers and ice cream and that flash of inspiration was the kick in the **** I needed to drag the thing home.

I'd never have bought something in this shape but the price was right.

SO yes... when I'm armpit deep in rust and **** and cussing ****** knuckles, guess who's going to be on the cuss list!

It's all good.

TG
 

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Re: Decks Completion

Here's a detail on how the steps were made.



I didn't want end grain showing on side of the bottom step. Biscuits were used to keep everything in the same plane.


What a genius idea!!!:bowdown:

Now I want to re-do my stairs...
 
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Thomas, that all looks very good. I particularly like the use of stainless cable.

When securing the Azek decking did you have to conventionally screw the outer edge of the first and last boards? Or did you find a way around that?

Thanks
David

David, the first starter board and the outside boarder board couldn't use the hidden fasteners so they were surfaced screwed. Azek does supply flat-head, color matched screws that when installed, are nearly invisible.

The bottom board on each ramp will have a stainless steel transition piece (one is seen below) fitted to it so there won't be a 1" (2.5 cm) drop off to the concrete.



This is a piece of 9 gauge stainless I had that was bent to form on the bottom step of the long ramp. It's shown upside down but when installed, it will have surface mount, countersunk, stainless flat-head screws used to install it. I'll relieve a 1/8" deep by 1" wide area on the entire leading edge of the ramp board so the stainless metal will be flush on that board. I'll detail it out and post here, once I get the other piece fabricated. It's fussy little details like this that take so much time but I find very satisfying to do.....most of the time. :)

Thanks David for your interest.

Thomas
 
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What an awesome deck and workmanship, again.

I am pleased that you are future proofing the house as well.

I often see things I do, not for today, but rather the future and try to work accordingly.

Rian the whole house was future proofed (that's an excellent way to describe it BTW). That was the point of building it, to provide a place for Chris and I to age in place as gracefully and comfortably as possible.

You really need to make another trip here to catch up on everything since your visit last year. :beer:

Thomas
 
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Deck Views

Here are a couple of views off the main deck.



This is looking south at the gentle rolling farm fields in the distance. It's late fall and leaves from the trees are blowing all around on the deck. Hard to keep it clean at this time of year.



This is looking east. It's easy to see how the cabling doesn't block the view. Next spring I begin landscaping to block out seeing the homes beyond our Walnut grove.

You might be interested to know that around the clump of trees in the center, just beyond the deck is where a dirt go-kart track was sited over 50 years ago in Mr. Johnson's back yard. I spent hours and hours driving my first go-kart there in the mid 1960's, choking on the dust and loving every single minute of it. :3gears:



David the first board closest to the house was surfaced screwed. Note the deck is at the same level as the patio door-no steps.



This is looking down at the first, starter board beyond the patio door sill and look closely, you'll see the surface screws used to install it. They really do blend in well and don't detract from the deck.

Thomas
 

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Beautiful deck, as expected, but that step overlapping the combustion air vent would upset my OCD every time I looked at it.

Sorry.

Pete
 

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Love the deck railing, the guy that built our deck used tempered glass and I'd love to convert it; trying to keep the glass clean in this environment is mostly impossible, and when it is clean the birds get hurt...fortunately that's only a week or so a year.

Nice detail on the steps, thanks for sharing.

David
 

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"Grumpy Jenkins would have been proud as Thomas Payne lined up his 1966 L79 327-powered Chevy ll post sedan against Dan Kurger's 1968 Hemi Charger. It took all three rounds and Thomas' best pass of the event, but the little Deuce took the shootout win with a 13.31 at 103.69 mph." Caption below picture of a starting line launch from the January 2018 Hemmings Muscle Machines magazine page 40.
Congrats. on the win.

You sure do know how to manage your time really well.
 
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"Grumpy Jenkins would have been proud as Thomas Payne lined up his 1966 L79 327-powered Chevy ll post sedan against Dan Kurger's 1968 Hemi Charger. It took all three rounds and Thomas' best pass of the event, but the little Deuce took the shootout win with a 13.31 at 103.69 mph." Caption below picture of a starting line launch from the January 2018 Hemmings Muscle Machines magazine page 40.
Congrats. on the win.

You sure do know how to manage your time really well.



Wasn't that nice of Hemmings to say that? I frequently channel Grumpy when I'm racing against a car with a Hemi engine.



Hemi's (as seen here in Dan's Charger) are usually thought of as the ultimate drag race engine and are fearsome competitors in drag racing circles.

Grumpy showed in 1966, that a Chevy II equipped with an L79 engine, could not only be competitive with them on the race track, but frequently beat them as well. For those who don't know, a Hemi is 426 cubic inches and conservatively rated at 426 horsepower. My L79 engine is a small block, 327 cubic inches rated at 350 horsepower. The key is differences in car weight. My car weighs 3,080lbs race ready with me in it and Hemi cars are usually 1,000lbs or more heavier. 1/4 mile racing is all about power to weight ratios and Chevy II's from that era had among the the best P to W.

Thanks realvc for your post. Now back to some more house construction and...



... shop projects. Stand by.

Thomas
 

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Hemi's (as seen here in Dan's Charger) are usually thought of as the ultimate drag race engine and are fearsome competitors in drag racing circles.

Grumpy showed in 1966, that a Chevy II equipped with an L79 engine, could not only be competitive with them on the race track, but frequently beat them as well. For those who don't know, a Hemi is 426 cubic inches and conservatively rated at 426 horsepower. My L79 engine is a small block, 327 cubic inches rated at 350 horsepower. The key is differences in car weight. My car weighs 3,080lbs race ready with me in it and Hemi cars are usually 1,000lbs or more heavier. 1/4 mile racing is all about power to weight ratios and Chevy II's from that era had among the the best P to W.
Thanks for the explanation Thomas, that was a foreign language to me!

Standing by, as instructed...

Pete
 
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Tile Clean Out Cover

Here's a small project that some of you might find of interest.



Please note the white, PVC 6" (15 cm) pipe sticking up outside the house basement wall. (the green "stuff on the wall is water proofing material- remember?) That pipe provides access to...



...a one-way check valve for the house footing tiles. That check valve prevents water from backing into the basement via that drain line. That check valve has a means to clean it out, even though it's about 12' (3m) below surface ground level. An extension was put on that 6" pipe bringing it up, level with ground level...



...and a screw-on cover was placed on top of it. Since this cover will be buried a few inches below ground level...





...a stainless steel box was fabricated to go over the pipe cover.







That stainless box will make access to the cover and clean-out much easier. It will keep most of the dirt out of the threads of the cover should it ever get dug up and unscrewed and keep dirt from falling down the clean-out pipe.



I put 2 handles on the box so you'd have something to get a hold of when removing the box. A small, metal sign will be installed on the brick wall, opposite the clean-out, indicating its location.

As I said, it was a small project, but someday someone will thank me for doing it. It might even be me!

To be continued.

Thomas
 

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Re: Tile Clean Out Cover

Here's a small project that some of you might find of interest.



Please note the white, PVC 6" (15 cm) pipe sticking up outside the house basement wall. (the green "stuff on the wall is water proofing material- remember?) That pipe provides access to...



...a one-way check valve for the house footing tiles. That check valve prevents water from backing into the basement via that drain line. That check valve has a means to clean it out, even though it's about 12' (3m) below surface ground level. An extension was put on that 6" pipe bringing it up, level with ground level...



...and a screw-on cover was placed on top of it. Since this cover will be buried a few inches below ground level...





...a stainless steel box was fabricated to go over the pipe cover.







That stainless box will make access to the cover and clean-out much easier. It will keep most of the dirt out of the threads of the cover should it ever get dug up and unscrewed and keep dirt from falling down the clean-out pipe.



I put 2 handles on the box so you'd have something to get a hold of when removing the box. A small, metal sign will be installed on the brick wall, opposite the clean-out, indicating its location.

As I said, it was a small project, but someday someone will thank me for doing it. It might even be me!

To be continued.

Thomas


Really good idea!
 

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Thomas and Chris, what you have done is absolutely breathtaking. I stumbled into your thread over a year ago when Rian (Grizz) visited. I decided to take the plunge finally and read the whole thing over the last couple of months and it was well worth it. I think I'm ready for the test now! Funny thing, my Grandma grew up in Tolono and went to Unity High School. She currently resides in Champaign and I have a few cousins in St. Joe. I know for a fact I have been very close to your shop as I have been through Philo with her as she likes to show us around all of the smaller cities that she grew up around. I will send you a PM the next time I'm there to visit her and maybe we can meet up.
 

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Rian the whole house was future proofed (that's an excellent way to describe it BTW). That was the point of building it, to provide a place for Chris and I to age in place as gracefully and comfortably as possible.

You really need to make another trip here to catch up on everything since your visit last year. :beer:

Thomas

Morning Thomas,

Dennis and I did contemplate a run down to you in September when I was there for his 60'th Birthday, but life and a broken Challenger, got in the way.

Time is so limited.

But it would be lovely to see you and Chris again.

And to just marvel at your work.

Thomas and Chris, what you have done is absolutely breathtaking. I stumbled into your thread over a year ago when Rian (Grizz) visited. I decided to take the plunge finally and read the whole thing over the last couple of months and it was well worth it. I think I'm ready for the test now! Funny thing, my Grandma grew up in Tolono and went to Unity High School. She currently resides in Champaign and I have a few cousins in St. Joe. I know for a fact I have been very close to your shop as I have been through Philo with her as she likes to show us around all of the smaller cities that she grew up around. I will send you a PM the next time I'm there to visit her and maybe we can meet up.


I tend to always post links to threads I find interesting on all the forums I frequent, as we all learn from each other, and many have varied interests.

To me, this is the king of threads on the whole of my Internet world.
 
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this thread has been super duper helpful - my local independent automotive store and machine shop is closing, the family can make more money renting the building than operating the business, and they are all getting older - one of the things that they discarded that I picked up as scrap for use as raw material was a pair of these same Lisle piston sleeve tools as pictured upthread - it was this thread that identified them for me - the extraction bar had been there but they didn't offer it to me. I'll shop them around a bit to see if they are worth more than the $1.50 per pound I pay for cutoffs from a metal supplier- I hate to cut up 70 year old tools to make new things, but better me than they get melted down and turned into tin cans or something....
 
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