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Hard to say anymore other than ...............incredible!!!!!!!!

You should be featured in some type of magazine or TV show for most amazing project.:bowdown:

What an outstanding idea!! Have your people contact my people and we'll do lunch. LOL Let's see, we've got a father and a son working together, throw in some man made, trumped up drama, an artificial time limit, lots of swearing and screaming at each other and it couldn't miss! :bounce: I leave to fly a trip and come back to find a slotted screw was used instead of a star headed one and I fly into a rage about what bumbling incompetent help I've got!! :rant: :tantrum2: You know it could work after all.:dunno:


Thank you for the kind words and the thought however. Glad you're finding it interesting.

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What an outstanding idea!! Have your people contact my people and we'll do lunch. LOL Let's see, we've got a father and a son working together, throw in some man made, trumped up drama, an artificial time limit, lots of swearing and screaming at each other and it couldn't miss! :bounce: I leave to fly a trip and come back to find a slotted screw was used instead of a star headed one and I fly into a rage about what bumbling incompetent help I've got!! :rant: :tantrum2: You know it could work after all.:dunno:


Thank you for the kind words and the thought however. Glad you're finding it interesting.

Thomas


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I'm counting on you guys to let me know if I'm straying too far from what the intent of this forum is. I joined this site less than a month ago ( Dec 24th) and not quite sure what the protocol is. Thank you to all thus far for the supportive comments. For better or worse that has encouraged me to go back through all my files on the shop. :thumbup: to all!

Thomas

I would say absolutely not (course I only joined this week so...). This is a great story made even better by showing work done in the past. Thanks.. Try to get some shots of the son's 57 Chevy...
 

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Quote:Originally Posted by BB767

I'm counting on you guys to let me know if I'm straying too far from what the intent of this forum is. I joined this site less than a month ago ( Dec 24th) and not quite sure what the protocol is. Thank you to all thus far for the supportive comments. For better or worse that has encouraged me to go back through all my files on the shop. to all!

Thomas



I would say absolutely not (course I only joined this week so...). This is a great story made even better by showing work done in the past. Thanks.. Try to get some shots of the son's 57 Chevy...

I'm with fubar on this. The only protocol I can see is KEEP THE PICS COMING :bowdown: No one gets tired of pics, especially ones that have history behind them. The "befores" and "afters" are just absolutely fantastic. It's not too many times you get to "see" the history of a place like that. The visual is a great added bonus for all.
 

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This picture has me wondering, I lived in Champaign from '90-'96, met a fella first name of "Dave" older fella ( compared to me, I was in my early 20's at the time, I think he was in his late 50's early 60's), was a pilot in 'Nam I think, flew a CH-47, had a blue van like that, had outfitted the interior with aluminum dressed out similar to the helo, all hand made, even had a strobe on the roof of the van.
He lived in Champ. for a time, had ties to law enforcement in the area as well ( positive ones ) he moved outside Gifford, I lost track of him after that, really nice guy.

I bring this up because I saw the van in the picture, it reminded me of him, and I knew he had many friends/relation in the Champ. area, and did roam Sidney/Philo area a bunch. That van wouldn't happen to be the one would it ?

A wild question I know, but it just brought back a random memory.

Awesome build BTW !
 

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I enjoy the story and pics of the go/karts racing/karts..I am 52 and race many karts when I was younger..They was not that old ..but still very cool. That thing/car/hotrod/over size go kart..not sure what to call it..looks like that would of been way to much fun ! Good thing no one got hurt LMAO.. I could see me building that.
 

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I just joined and was very impressed with your efforts.

Where did you get that welding table? I am finishing a shop that I put in an old tobacco barn and that table would be perfect!
 
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The cabinet housing the lift controls and fluid reservoir was pretty banged up to say the least. Everything "worked" but not as well as it could have. Also visually it needed help.

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The access door is hinged with a piano hinge on the right side and is held shut on the left side with fasteners. You can see the tabs (3) on the open door that these fasteners went through. Also the control lever inserts through a hole in the door. That hole was torn open as you can see, which allowed the door to be opened without removing the control lever. It's easy to see how the electric motor was positioned over the hydraulic pump. There is no pneumatic air involved in it's operation.


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The control has now been rewired and a new switch installed. New wiring was run all the way to the circuit panel. The control lever was repaired as the end inserting into the housing was damaged and had been jury rigged to work after a fashion. It was a press fit to a roll pin originally and it is that way once more as seen .

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Electrically all the control lever does is energize the switch which turns on the pump motor. To lower the lift when the lever is reversed it mechanically opens a valve in the pump which allows the fluid to return back into the reservoir. Also note the access door has been removed. To do the necessary repair work on it using a bench was quite helpful. The only way to remove it meant the welds holding it on had to be ground off and then re welded back on.

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Here we were trying the floor tile. 1 Foot square or 2? Straight or diagonal?

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I've looked and I don't have any pictures of the repaired door prior to its installation. This is the best I could find with it in primer.

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The reservoir filler cap has the Rotary logo on it. Hard to photograph chrome, it just reflects back at the camera! The seam down the middle shows where the reservoir is, taking up the back haft of the cabinet. You can also see the piano hinge and the welds which were ground off to remove the door.

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This is how the door was originally attached. The piano hinge was just spot welded down the side of the cabinet. They were installed back just where the originals had been. Same number, same place, same length.

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This is the left side. The fasteners I used were ones I fabricated. I used stainless steel bolts, the heads cut off, the shanks then threaded and capped on both ends with stainless washers and acorn nuts. All the stainless was polished to near chrome finish.

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Another look at the cap.


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The latest patent date on the data plate is July 8,1928. The brass plate and screws were polished and gloss clear coated.

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As mentioned earlier Rotary just knows it was manufactured before 1935.......... sometime.

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This picture has me wondering, I lived in Champaign from '90-'96, met a fella first name of "Dave" older fella ( compared to me, I was in my early 20's at the time, I think he was in his late 50's early 60's), was a pilot in 'Nam I think, flew a CH-47, had a blue van like that, had outfitted the interior with aluminum dressed out similar to the helo, all hand made, even had a strobe on the roof of the van.
He lived in Champ. for a time, had ties to law enforcement in the area as well ( positive ones ) he moved outside Gifford, I lost track of him after that, really nice guy.

I bring this up because I saw the van in the picture, it reminded me of him, and I knew he had many friends/relation in the Champ. area, and did roam Sidney/Philo area a bunch. That van wouldn't happen to be the one would it ?

A wild question I know, but it just brought back a random memory.

Awesome build BTW !

Boy, that really was a shot in the dark wasn't it! That belongs to a friend who got it a couple years back from the east coast. No connection at all that I can see. Hey, you never know.

Thomas
 

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Thanks for keeping the pictures coming.

Has Rotary contacted you at all about taking pics and using your lift in their advertising anywhere? I would think it would be a big plus for them to show off a working pre 1935 lift.
 
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I just joined and was very impressed with your efforts.

Where did you get that welding table? I am finishing a shop that I put in an old tobacco barn and that table would be perfect!

Hi Riverfarm and thanks. I see you're almost as new a member as I am, welcome. This post is 19 pages long. Take a look back and if you don't find the information you need in there give me a shout and I'll do what I can to help.

Thomas
 

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This has been a great thread. Really enjoying all the pictures and documentation. I"ll read them as long as you post them. Keep going!
 

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What do you suppose the lift cost new in 1928? Great job on the restoration!!! Keep the pictures and stories coming. Thanks.
 

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I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this detail, and would love to see another pic or two if it's convenient for you.

I know you must be bombarded with questions about so many different aspects about this inspiring show & tell, but you must know, the more you show, the more you must tell. LOL Thank you Thomas for taking the time to actually do all the S & T so we can continue to learn & be amazed by what you & your family have done.
I too am having a difficult time visualizing the above mentioned detail. If you were able to take some pics of the area before it was covered with the end pieces for the stainless top, it might help us see how you did that.
Thanks again for all the info and pics. Truly amazing!!!!
 
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There are several new members here and as a new member myself ( I joined this site 1 month ago) welcome to all of you. From some of the questions I've gotten, both via a private message (PM) or email, I think there are some new members who don't know that there are other, earlier pages to this Thread. As of this posting there are 19 pages of content, pictures etc. about this shop restoration. To access earlier or later pages look at the bottom right of each page and you'll find numbers that will take you to various pages. I honestly hope I'm not offending anyone about this. A couple of folks wrote back thanking me once I informed them how to do that. They were new to forums in general and had no idea how to navigate within a thread.

Again many, thanks for all the genuine interest, I'm very encouraged by it. Restoring the shop was enjoyable but I gotta tell ya, with all the positive response here, telling the story of how and why has been loads of fun also. More to follow.........

Thomas
 

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I just finished reading the 19 pages of postings. Great story! And a true story (though not as detailed as we know it)! Having been part of it all along the way, I know. I wouldn't have believed it could happen otherwise. The restoration has been a great part of our family life for 4+ years and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's given our son lots of experiences he wouldn't have had otherwise and our daughter a great place to practice her photography skills. The shop and the new Morton building will bring all our cars under one roof (well, at least in one place) which will be quite a time-saver, especially after we finally get our house built out there.

And for those reading this thread, this is Thomas' wife. The village is indeed grateful for not having to do mosquito abatement anymore (due to disposal of 250+ tires). And neighbors are grateful for having a great view to the south (instead of the trashy jungle where, it is rumored, teens use to have their beer parties in the past) as well as having fewer rodents to contend with now that the underbrush and trash are gone. It's really brought the neighborhood together. And, yes, the family that sold it is very happy with the changes. Some have been known to break into tears of joy when they see it. And we've become bona fide members of the family, being invited to all family gatherings. We're having lots of fun with it. I haven't done much of the hands-on stuff, but I have done my share of cooking for the crews, sometimes holding up FRP board, or measuring, or helping out with the clearing of the vegetation.

And for some of you readers who wondered, there is NOT a bed in the shop, although there is a kitchenette and 1/2 bath. He spends enough time out there (sometimes 12+ hours) and I don't want to encourage more of that! He never takes time to nap anyway. How do you think he has time to get all of this done along with his job (which doesn't take too much time, but has lots of stress/travel, esp. since 9/11), drag racing, and spending time with me?

Anyway, I sure enjoyed the read, the pictures and all the responses. Sounds like we'll have to have two (or more) open houses in the future to fit all the new friends!

Chris
 
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Is there a greater sound in all the world than when a radial first barks to life and the lompy idle as it warms up??? That is truly heaven!! Beautiful work and thank you for sharing it.

Thomas

Not unless it's several of them flying over your house at about 500'! We live near a small airport in Southeast Texas that has several of the Tora! Tora! Tora! participants. Additionally, there are several Yaks stored there, and on more than one occasion, the B-17 from Scholes Field in Galveston has done a low-and-slow flyover during their 'flying experience' flights. Awesome sights, and as an Air Force Brat, still gives me goosebumps.

Gene Beaird,
Pearland, Texas
 
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And for some of you readers who wondered, there is NOT a bed in the shop, although there is a kitchenette and 1/2 bath. He spends enough time out there (sometimes 12+ hours) and I don't want to encourage more of that!

Exactly why my wife draws the line at "facilities" in the shop LOL. Thanks for posting that, its good to know that a well done restoration is enjoyed by many - especially those with close ties to the property.
 

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I haven't been this excited about a thread since utahs "bunker build".
Hopefully we continue to view the show and tell of all the history behind your
historic build up.

And it sounds like you've got a great wife too!!!
 
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I wonder if Rotary has seen one of their grandaddy lifts still in operation here? There's an old service station near my folks home that used to have one. I still remember the old guy running it...he chewed on cigars rather than smoked them. I loved that place, it was cluttered but it was the local hangout for about 30 years.

That's a good question. I've meant to contact them to see if they had any interest in the lift restoration, but I just haven't had the chance yet. I expect to get around to it unless they find out beforehand.

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I would say absolutely not (course I only joined this week so...). This is a great story made even better by showing work done in the past. Thanks.. Try to get some shots of the son's 57 Chevy...


I would think getting pictures of his '57 wouldn't be too difficult. He use to drag race it in the '60's at our local strip and tells me that car was never beaten. He certainly won every time we got to go with him and be his cheering section in the stands. I remember being at the shop and he had the car on the lift with a cutting torch in hand. He put the torch down and said he better check to see if he had a spare front bumper before he cut notches into the one on the car. Since he flat towed the car he had to remove the bumper when towing and re installed it at the track. Racing it without the bumper put him in a different, higher class but if the bumper was attached but notched he could tow it without removing it and still get to race in that lower class. The last race that car was in he threw a rod crossing the finish line, but winning the race. He's not done a thing with the car since that day but still has it stored, awaiting restoration.

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What do you suppose the lift cost new in 1928? Great job on the restoration!!! Keep the pictures and stories coming. Thanks.


Dave that is an interesting question and one I'd like an answer to also. There are so many talented folks on this site, I'll bet there is someone out there who could answer that for us. Heck, I'll bet they can even come up with an ad showing it for sale " back in the day ". Now that would be nice to display with the lift wouldn't it? It's a model 91X with a 7,500 lbs capacity.

BTW, I never acknowledged the photo's of that fantastic old garage- Camden Auto Co. you sent. Wouldn't that be fantastic to restore? Keep me posted on what's happening with it.

Thomas
 
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I too am having a difficult time visualizing the above mentioned detail. If you were able to take some pics of the area before it was covered with the end pieces for the stainless top, it might help us see how you did that.
Thanks again for all the info and pics. Truly amazing!!!!


I promise I'll get that detail clarified for everyone. It's simple once you see it but hard to describe. After I wrote about it, I crossed my fingers and hoped I wouldn't get blasted about it being such a poor description!! :dunno:

Glad to hear you're enjoying the thread. The upside of all this is that I can scan, re-size, zoom in or out on old photographs pretty easy now. My digital ones are just sooo much easier to post. I have seen the digital light thanks to my darling daughter.

Thomas
 
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Are you looking to adopt any .. erm... *mature* kids any time soon?

Are you kidding me. You just fly into Willard Airport with one of those stunning machines you work on and it's a " done deal " son!! I got my commercial ticket in an Aeronca 7EC and have a few hundred hours tail dragger time. The P51 would do nicely but shoot, really anything you've got would be just fine. Now son, come take your new adopted pappy for a ride!!

Thomas
 
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Looking at the aerial photos, was the house to the right (East) part of the deal or is that a seperate property?

The 2 story house right next door to the east is ours but a little further east, the newer ranch house near the road is not. One of the kids back in the '60's built their own house there and then sold it many years ago. That's a little " notch" into our corner. Thankfully they are super people and great neighbors and of course are quite happy with how the area has turned out .

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Not unless it's several of them flying over your house at about 500'! We live near a small airport in Southeast Texas that has several of the Tora! Tora! Tora! participants. Additionally, there are several Yaks stored there, and on more than one occasion, the B-17 from Scholes Field in Galveston has done a low-and-slow flyover during their 'flying experience' flights. Awesome sights, and as an Air Force Brat, still gives me goosebumps.

Gene Beaird,
Pearland, Texas


Can you imagine in WWII when there were hunderds and hundreds of B17's,24's, P47's,51's in the air at once? And Gene, you get to see and hear it all for free. A lucky man indeed. Enjoy!!

Thomas
 
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I haven't been this excited about a thread since utahs "bunker build".
Hopefully we continue to view the show and tell of all the history behind your
historic build up.

And it sounds like you've got a great wife too!!!

She has put up with me and my projects for 35 years now. But I turned her to the " dark side " a number of years ago.

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A few years back she decided she wanted to show her own Lincoln at shows instead of just being with our '66, so she wound up with this Mark VIII. And has been very successful with it I might add. Now instead of complaining about car " stuff " she's part of the problem, er, I mean solution. Ya, that's it! ;)

Thomas
 
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And in addition to his shop restoration, Tom's built two very nice garages/sheds for my "baby", thank you very much. Well, there is room for all his cars, too. Mine's just a little piece of the whole shabang. And showing my own car sure beats just tagging along and detailing his car before/during a show. Since 2003 (after 24 years, at that point, of showing his car) he's been helping with mine. We've been having lots of fun with that on top of all the other projects (and we always have projects going on). (and I don't think I ever complained, very much, about "car stuff" - I'm not generally the complaining type)

Chris
 

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Are you kidding me. You just fly into Willard Airport with one of those stunning machines you work on and it's a " done deal " son!! I got my commercial ticket in an Aeronca 7EC and have a few hundred hours tail dragger time. The P51 would do nicely but shoot, really anything you've got would be just fine. Now son, come take your new adopted pappy for a ride!!
Thomas

I try not to fly to much, I'm running out of poker chips.. ;)



After I wrote about it, I crossed my fingers and hoped I wouldn't get blasted about it being such a poor description!! :dunno:
Thomas

Reminded me of some of the squawks I've seen written up by pilots.... ;) :lol_hitti
 

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Thomas,

Thanks...I found where you built it from an older table. Very nice. While my humble shop will never have the cool factor of yours, I want it to have the neatness factor.:)

Outstanding.

Hi Riverfarm and thanks. I see you're almost as new a member as I am, welcome. This post is 19 pages long. Take a look back and if you don't find the information you need in there give me a shout and I'll do what I can to help.

Thomas
 

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Thomas,

My hat is off to you.

I just can't get anything done around here because I have spent the entire morning going through your thread. Oh well, that's my story when the wife gets home.

One great restoration and thank you kindly for including us in your projects.

I have flown many many miles with a number of great and professional pilots, thank you for your service also. One of my corvette buddies here is the retired pilot of the governor and we are always talking planes and cars.
 
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You stated that the 4x4 JDeere was probably one of your best buys....I have a 4x4 Kubota with a FELoader, etc. I have no children to help but with that 4x4 it like having 3 or 4 extra men helping. It was without a doubt one of my better buys!
 

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Also....did I miss the answer to the floor tile question. 1 Foot square or 2 Foot square? I know it's done but.......Thanks
 
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