Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop

[mtm_motors]

Boy you lurker guys are everywhere aren't you? I had no idea!!
Have I got a deal for you. Once you finish the restoration why don't you bring it to the shop and we'll set it on that stand. Then you can leave it in my care and know that I'll give it the very best of care and you can have visiting rights whenever you want. Now is that a great deal or what? Think of the satisfaction you'll get from that act of generosity!
Seriously, I expect to restore and keep it but if that should change I'll get in touch with you. Good luck with your project and post some pictures for us.

Thomas

Hrrm, I don't know about your deal, but here's a pic of the engine after stripping it down

 

[BB767]

Hrrm, I don't know about your deal, but here's a pic of the engine after stripping it down

mtm, oh no pressure, just think about it. Thanks for the picture of your Stover. I'm not familiar with them at all. I trust it's all complete and just needs to be tweaked? Looks to be in pretty fair condition. Bet it'll be a fun project for you. Take lots of pictures and please keep us posted on your progress.
BTW it does look to be just about the right size for my engine stand.

Thomas

 

[mtm_motors]

Yeah, haven't gotten much progress on it in a while as I have moved since the project started. I will have to pour new babbitt bearings, something completely new to me. It is complete other than the magneto, and I will probably buy a new fuel tank. I plan to rig it up to an air compressor or possibly an ice cream maker (I have a cousin that has a 1 1/2 hp John Deere hit 'n' miss ice cream maker). Attached are pics of the same model as mine (CT1) on a cart similar to yours, and one restored.

 

[BB767]

Yeah, haven't gotten much progress on it in a while as I have moved since the project started. I will have to pour new babbitt bearings, something completely new to me. It is complete other than the magneto, and I will probably buy a new fuel tank. I plan to rig it up to an air compressor or possibly an ice cream maker (I have a cousin that has a 1 1/2 hp John Deere hit 'n' miss ice cream maker). Attached are pics of the same model as mine (CT1) on a cart similar to yours, and one restored.

Wonderful photographs. They were such simple machines it really is fun to service them. What a great idea to make ice cream too!

Thomas

 

[Enloe]

There is a guy that comes to the grand run car show he has one of those hooked to about 12 ice cream coolers. He has them running all weekend.

 

[Motown 454]

No thanks nessary it only gets more interesting with everything your finding.

 

[alberto]

That's a very good suggestion alberto. I need to get their people to contact my people and put this together. I bet there'd be a free tee shirt in the deal for me, wanna bet?

Thomas

I think they will give you at least a t-shirt!!

 

[BB767]

This isn't what I had planed on posting tonight but in light of the recent postings......

This is a small shop manual that was in among all the other shop/repair manuals that were left. You can see it's for a Montgomery Ward "Utilimotor" which I believe was a hit 'n miss motor.

It's in excellent condition.

Note some of the prices, crankshaft and counterweight assembly- $9.00, piston and connecting rod assembly- $5.00, Crankcase, crankcase head and journal bushings,(new design)- $6.50.

Here we find flywheel complete only- $15.00, magneto complete (for models U-1, U-2and U-4- $30.00.


Now if only the engine were left too, but sadly no.
One of our members must have one of these little motors, yes??

I also found a brochure about his forge, which strangely enough was a Johnson Gas Forge no less. The forge went to the young Amish lad who worked with his dad pouring all my concrete last fall.

Here they are pouring the end of the shop driveway last fall. They also did all the concrete work inside and out in the barn just after they finished this. Dad wanted and got the old cider mill that was in the tool shed. These folks also did my brick garage in 2004 next to our house. They are old school and do really beautiful work.

Thomas

 

[CrustyD3mon]

Nice manuals....very detailed compared with the nowadays...

 

[Gustav_t]

Those glass jars could be containers for "Marvel mystery oil".
Its oil supply for early Judson superchargers.

They look very similar to me

G.

 

[bzunker]

Hi Thomas. My name is Bob Zunker and I found this thread at Metalmeet site. I must say this is very interesting "stuff" and I am amazed at the time and devotion you have given it. I am a slow reader and digest every detail so it has taken me weeks to get through all. I saw that you are a graduate of the Institute of Aviation at the University of Illinois and am wondering what years you attended as I too am a graduate and was there from January 1972 until June 1974. Seems like a lifetime ago. Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next installment. Thank you so much for sharing. Bob.

 

[BB767]

Here is a short follow up to the bulk oil tanks clean up,



The two on the right have had a basic clean up done on them, the left one I haven't touched yet.



Before I removed them from their original location once I started the shop restoration clean out in '05.........



.......I noted which tank was in what order so I could place them back just as they were originally positioned.



With all the old shop grim finally gone on two of them, you'll note now how the tank closest to the parts washer has the least amount of paint on it and the one furthest away has the most.........



.........that's because over time the parts cleaner solvent slashed on the tank closest the most and slowly over time it soften the paint and it got removed. The one with the most paint on the right is just too nice to do anything but clean it and leave it alone. The others I might consider repainting. I'll get a better idea once I'm finished with all three.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Hi Thomas. My name is Bob Zunker and I found this thread at Metalmeet site. I must say this is very interesting "stuff" and I am amazed at the time and devotion you have given it. I am a slow reader and digest every detail so it has taken me weeks to get through all. I saw that you are a graduate of the Institute of Aviation at the University of Illinois and am wondering what years you attended as I too am a graduate and was there from January 1972 until June 1974. Seems like a lifetime ago. Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next installment. Thank you so much for sharing. Bob.

Hi Bob and welcome. As you probably noticed I've enjoyed sharing the experience with everyone here. I have so many before pictures and documentation because my daughter and I really gave serious consideration to doing a book on the restoration. I knew back then it was all pretty special but didn't realize until I posted the information here how many other people all over the world shared my passion for restoring old " junk" appearing items and or buildings and them giving them a new life. Not just preserving them as in a museum, but using them again for their intended purpose.

I was just slightly ahead of you at the U of I, having started in fall 1971. I guess you could say I'm STILL there as I serve on the alumni board for the Institute. I'll send you a PM (private message) to follow up so as not to bore the good folks here. Thanks for persevering through it all! There's still more information coming.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Those glass jars could be containers for "Marvel mystery oil".
Its oil supply for early Judson superchargers.

They look very similar to me

G.

Gustav-t, I'll try to get better pictures of the tops of them. There appears to be vacuum line fittings on top of them. I've seen similar containers on 1950's era cars before.......I think?

BTW I still use Marvel Mystery Oil in my 1966 Lincoln Continental faithfully with every tank fill up. I've never had to change to hardened valve seats when unleaded gas came out. MMO seems to do the trick!

Thomas

 

[Kevin54]

Thomas...in regards to the old blacksmith vise you have in the other building, I ran across this and thought you might be interested in it. http://www.anvilmag.com/smith/107f2.htm

 

[Sick Puppy]

I have so many before pictures and documentation because my daughter and I really gave serious consideration to doing a book on the restoration. I knew back then it was all pretty special but didn't realize until I posted the information here how many other people all over the world shared my passion for restoring old " junk" appearing items and or buildings and them giving them a new life.

[...]

Thomas

BOOK FTW! Glossy pages, decent cover... I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!

[slap]

Ahem, sorry about that lol Seriously, a book I think would be a good idea... just sayin'

 

[CrustyD3mon]

Yehh...its really a god idea....i said before that i already had think about it.... you need to do it...eheheh

One Book to Portugal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keep it going......thanks....

 

[Warg]

Yeah! And one book to Sweden also, please...
I must say that this thread is just as addictive as old IH iron, and I check it every day with great anticipation. It's a "must read".

By the way, Thomas, how's the runway/control tower plans coming along? *grin*

Paul

 

[markviii]

Paul, that little project is in a permanent "holding pattern". There are too many other more worthy projects in the pipeline (on both our plates) to even seriously consider it (and if it involves government permits, etc., that's enough reason to steer clear), and we wouldn't have time to write the book! With so many "pre-sales", how could we lose?!

 

[mdbeck1]

Paul, that little project is in a permanent "holding pattern".

Say it's not SOOOO!!!!!

He NEEDS that landing strip! Maybe I can do some research for you and cut some of the red tape? Let's see, how wide do we need it and how long???
... and what's the address of the city building code office???

 

[BB767]

Thomas...in regards to the old blacksmith vise you have in the other building, I ran across this and thought you might be interested in it. http://www.anvilmag.com/smith/107f2.htm

First off Kevin are you doing OK? Chris tells me a deer decide to remodel your car last week and it was a total write off. Nasty business that!

Now as for the link about blacksmith vices, you are now two for two. What a terrific article and extremely informative. I'll use that information to try and pin down a date of manufacture on mine. It is mounted on an old wood cabinetmakers bench with a wood shoulder vise on the right side. It's all so buried right now I don't think pictures will show much. I did note today again that the rear leg of the vice extends virtually to the floor. Quick view shows it to be complete with no broken parts. Stand by.

The vice is just to the left of the snow sleds and the cabinetmakers bench is behind the plywood and buried under a mountain of "stuff". BTW for Crusty3Dmon, since I know you're taking notes on the thread in anticipation of the quiz at the end....... under that cabinetmakers bench are the last 4 car tires( one under each corner) that haven't been removed from the property yet. I believe that will make a grand total of 282 tires of all types that were left and which I removed from the property.

Thanks again Kevin for thinking of me and on behalf of others here on the thread I am in your debt sir!

Thomas

 

[donnie]

Thomas

If you are really thinking about doing a book, you can do it on line.

http://www.blurb.com/books/1205108

Not cheap but they are really nice books.

 

[BB767]

Thomas

If you are really thinking about doing a book, you can do it on line.

http://www.blurb.com/books/1205108

Not cheap but they are really nice books.

Thanks for the link donnie. That looks like a possibility. For everyone who has read this thread though, I can't imagine there would be anything new in the book. It would just be better organized than it turned out here. But then this has it's own certain charm since you never know what will show up day to day. You guys are getting my 'A' material here. I'm not holding anything back, you're getting it all!


Thomas

 

[BB767]

Here a follow up to the Walker floor jacks. These models were introduced in 1939 and called Walker Greyhounds. There were 4 of them: Big Boy 4 ton (mine), Shop Boy 3 ton, Tom Boy 2 ton and Shorty 2 ton utility. They were still sold until 1957. Price was $39.60 down and $11.02 per month (don't know for how many months?) This information was courtesy of Jack Sim. I've got a color ad for them coming which I'll post.

I'm continuing to clean the original paint jack but it is slow going. What ever is on it is not coming off easily and I'm trying to preserve the original paint so I can't be very aggressive with it. Patience is a virtue, it's only original once. If I remove original paint it's gone for good.

Other news to update everyone: the industrial shelving that I'm putting in the barn went to the powder coaters today.

Here is some from the same batch that I installed in the lift room back in 2006. I had to cut down one side due to the sloping ceiling. I'll have 5 more units for the barn all 11' (about 4 meters) tall. I had stripped and painted this unit, I didn't know about powder coating them back then!

And this is how it is being put to use at present.

Once completed, they will be installed and all the items in the tool shed, the 2 car garage and the lean to will be transferred into the barn and then those buildings will be removed from the property. At that point the circle driveway can be finished.
As I transfer those items, it will give me a look at material I set aside almost 5 years ago and I'll have a much better idea of exactly what's still there, equipment, NOS car and tractor parts etc. I will post pictures as I move into these areas.

Thomas

 

[CrustyD3mon]

Nice update Thom...seems that you have a lot of work to do there....with all that stuff you have stored....

Seems a good challenge transfer all stuff...but maybe you found lots of interesting things there...

 

[cyclopsblown34]

I just found time to revisit this thread. That power hacksaw is way interesting. I've never seen or heard of one previously. I was assuming it was a Portaband on a stand til I saw the pictures...way cool.

 

[BB767]

I just found time to revisit this thread. That power hacksaw is way interesting. I've never seen or heard of one previously. I was assuming it was a Portaband on a stand til I saw the pictures...way cool.

At last a man who appreciates the way cool power hack saw more than the anvil! Clearly someone who values moving parts more than an anvil that, well, ah.......just sits there basically.

Update from today, I removed 2 more tons of scrape metal from the lean to and have about 1 - 1 1/2 tons more that I hope to finish tomorrow.With todays removal that brings the total amount so far to 50 tons of scrap metal that I've removed from the property since fall of 2005. There is light at the end of the tunnel!

Thomas

 

[Nuts]

Cracks me up to hear someone reference removal of "tons" of scrap in their cleanup.
I know what that's like, I'm at 300 tons at last count, and am nearing enough for the next truck load.
It took dad 40yrs to make the mess, I guess I shouldn't complain if it takes me a few to clean it up.
Just found a large Black Hawk floor jack in the stash today, Thomas you are a bad influence, I need the thing rebuilt now.

Nuts

 

[ZRX61]

I just found time to revisit this thread. That power hacksaw is way interesting. I've never seen or heard of one previously. I was assuming it was a Portaband on a stand til I saw the pictures...way cool.

I just hauled one home last Friday (Sawmaster), just finished restoring it today There's a thread about it in the tools forum

 

[BB767]

While I was cleaning out more "material " from the lean to I came across this item. Disregard the green paper shredder it's sitting on.

I have no clue.

It appears to be a manifold for something. A tank perhaps?

No data plate or manufactures markings.

Seems to have two carburetors which would hang from either end.

I almost scrapped it with the other steel scrap but thought I'd float it by here first in case someone can use it........ yea right! Otherwise in a couple of weeks it will join all the other priceless relics from here in that great recycling pile in the sky.

Thomas

 

[dreamingmuscle]

I just hauled one home last Friday (Sawmaster), just finished restoring it today There's a thread about it in the tools forum

Link please.
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vaporizer manufacturer

 

[CrustyD3mon]

Link please.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60945

@thom ...i don't undestand what is this...can you explain whats the function of this motor?

Thanks

 

[dreamingmuscle]

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60945

@thom ...i don't undestand what is this...can you explain whats the function of this motor?

Thanks

Thank you plus 10
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find dispensary

 

[BB767]

I just hauled one home last Friday (Sawmaster), just finished restoring it today There's a thread about it in the tools forum

There's a tools forum on this site? I haven't had a chance to really look anywhere else. I need to check that out Rick thanks!

Thomas

 

[BB767]

@thom ...i don't undestand what is this...can you explain whats the function of this motor?

Thanks

Crusty, I don't know what it's for either. The green machine it's sitting on with the electric motor (15 H/P by the way!!!!) is a paper shredder. The grey item pictured I'm hoping someone here will recognize and tell us.

Thomas

 

[Nuts]

I'd guess the paper shredder might be for recycling newsprint. That's a big enough fan on the side to blow paper up into a silo. Dunno.

Nuts

 

[BB767]

I'd guess the paper shredder might be for recycling newsprint. That's a big enough fan on the side to blow paper up into a silo. Dunno.

Nuts

Nuts, I know what the paper shredder was used for, I just placed the grey painted manifold on the shredder to take a picture of it. Sorry for the confusion. I was only seeking information about the manifold or whatever it is before I scrap it out? It'll turn out to be a one of a kind thing-a-ma-bob that someone here who needed it to complete that life long project they've been working on night and day for the last 6 years of their lives.

BTW you'll be interested to know that another ton of scrap went out today.........

note that round bar in front, it's 2 1/2 " in dia, over 2 ' long and all the bars behind it were solid as well.......

The plate was solid 1/2" material

Those bars are all 1" solid, 5' long.

Just a fraction of what got loaded up and out. Just massive, thick material. He just saved everything. Just don't know what I would ever use it for. On the other hand.........

I came across this nice............

.........little 3" vice that works fine and shows little signs of usage. And there were theses........

....... beefy jacks( saw at lease three more).......

...........that are track jacks. I can see a need for these. But then on the other hand there was........

......this electrical coil.....and theses......

.......flywheel starter gears which I doubt I can use. But then I found a box of.........

.........clamps that with a little clean up and some needing repair will be good to go. It all pales to what you've been cleaning up though.I'm just at a paltry 51 tons so far. Not even in the same league as you.

Thomas

 

[CRTDI]

Cracks me up to hear someone reference removal of "tons" of scrap in their cleanup.
I know what that's like, I'm at 300 tons at last count, and am nearing enough for the next truck load.
It took dad 40yrs to make the mess, I guess I shouldn't complain if it takes me a few to clean it up.
Just found a large Black Hawk floor jack in the stash today, Thomas you are a bad influence, I need the thing rebuilt now.

Nuts

Which model Blackhawk? Please post some pics. It's always interesting to see these old jacks, no matter what the condition is. I recently posted my new to me old Blackhawk floor jack here:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45278&page=7&highlight=show+jacks

It's turning out to be pretty interesting project for me and my 10 year old son.

 

[CrustyD3mon]

Yes thom...i was talking about the grey thing in the paper shredeer....still don't undestantd for what it is for....like you say anone maybe know and tell us...

A few days when i was saying that you will found some interesting things during the cleaning... here it is...a nice vise....

You already have here in the forum a nice sticky about Vises and Vise restores.... check it out:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44782&highlight=vises&page=20

 

[JHunter]

It looks like there's some numbers/data cast into in both of these pictures. The first pic it looks like a date code (by the style of the casting anyway) and the other data in the second one looks like a part number.