Shed Build Construction

[Beemer533]

I guess the problem is you can't add jack studs without making the rough opening to narrow?

If that is the case, even though you aren't supporting a ton of weight with the header, I would take the time to cut into the studs. A circular saw set to the correct depth will make it pretty straightforward and neat...

 

[Beemer533]

I used precut 92-5/8" tall studs for the walls

So, with the bottom 2x4 and the top 2x4, the total wall height is 95 5/8" tall

With this being said, I am going to use a 4x8 sheet of wood siding which will cover the wall perfectly and hang down 3/8" on the shed base........perfect

That makes it easy.. I didn't think about the pre cut studs until after I had installed mine. I think I ended up with a 1/2" overlap on mine.

For the front and rear, where you will need to add siding above the 8' sheet, don't forget to grab some z channel as added protection to keep water from soaking in the ends of the bottom sheet. I got mine at HD for $6 per 10'.

Figured a photo would make my crappy description clearer:


You can see the silver strip above bottom sheet. I left the top sheet about an 1/8" short so I could fill the gap completely with silicon.

Pretty sure this is what I got...

 

[D45]

Yes I will definitely get some z channel for the seams for the siding

 

[D45]

How important is the header board if I'm not going with a typical door(s)?

Would a roll up door still need a header?

 

[Phil S.]

I have not read all the posts to this thread (so I may have missed it) but I'm dying to know what the TOTAL finished cost was for this shed build.

 

[D45]

So far, I have about $450 into the shed.......foundation, base, walls, and the 2x4s for all the ceiling joist

I am thinking about $300ish for all the siding sheets

The rollup door at Menards is $219

Just need some trim and shingles/tar paper

A similar sized shed is about $3,500 installed through a business

 

[Beemer533]

How important is the header board if I'm not going with a typical door(s)?

Would a roll up door still need a header?

I would think so; at a minimum you need something to secure the door to on the inside..

 

[Beemer533]

So far, I have about $450 into the shed.......foundation, base, walls, and the 2x4s for all the ceiling joist

I am thinking about $300ish for all the siding sheets

The rollup door at Menards is $219

Just need some trim and shingles/tar paper

A similar sized shed is about $3,500 installed through a business

Wow, I seem to recall mine cost quite a bit more... Although if I think about it, I did use PT 3/4" plywood for the floor.. That added almost $200 to the floor.

I think this is what I used for siding, which at my local HD is currently a little over $37 per sheet.

 

[D45]

I am going to use this for siding

4x8 sheets and 3/" thick

$24 a sheet

Pre-primed and ready to install

http://www.homedepot.com/p/SmartSid...Siding-Panel-27874/100055901?N=5yc1vZaripZ2wi

 

[D45]

I used PT plywood, but in 5/8".....for the flooring

 

[usmc_noma]

Any pics of the updates? Also, why did you end up switching from the Smartside to the pt plywood?

 

[D45]

Any pics of the updates? Also, why did you end up switching from the Smartside to the pt plywood?

I am using the smartside for the exterior siding

http://www.homedepot.com/p/SmartSid...Siding-Panel-27874/100055901?N=5yc1vZaripZ2wi

 

[ashstudly]

I used smartside when I built my compressor shed. It is right in the path of a sprinkler yet after 3 yrs no sign of rot or issues. Very happy with it and economical!

 

[D45]

I have heard and read that some people do not even paint the smart side panels

It comes primed and it seems like a good natural, outdoor type color

Anyone else not painting the smart side and just leaving the primed surface?

They also sell Smart Side trim, which I plan on using also :

http://www.homedepot.com/p/SmartSide-1-in-x-4-in-x-8-ft-Textured-Smart-Trim-Board-25879/202527008

1x4x8 piece is only $6.12 a board

 

[usmc_noma]

I have a small storage cabinet I built outside and used the smartside. I left it the color it came primed in and it still looks good 2 years later. I plan on building another cabinet for yard stuff using the same, only it will be an 8 ft one that's 2ft deep and 4ft across.

 

[D45]

Good to know.......thanks

The primered color is pretty nice, I look at the sheet last night

 

[Beemer533]

I have heard and read that some people do not even paint the smart side panels

It comes primed and it seems like a good natural, outdoor type color

Anyone else not painting the smart side and just leaving the primed surface?

They also sell Smart Side trim, which I plan on using also :

http://www.homedepot.com/p/SmartSide-1-in-x-4-in-x-8-ft-Textured-Smart-Trim-Board-25879/202527008

1x4x8 piece is only $6.12 a board

That should work well. I took a look on line and it seems my local HD don't carry any of the Smartside stuff.. too bad.

 

[Beemer533]

D45, just checking in.... any updates on your build?

 

[D45]

D45, just checking in.... any updates on your build?

Unfortunately nothing

I had to do a ton of work on my pool this year and prioritize some things at the house as well

It has rained a ton down here and a few days I has set aside to work on the shed, I couldn't work outside

I am having a hard time with the 22.5 degree cuts and the 3'10" long boards for the gambrel roof

When laid out, it is 10' 2.5" wide roof rafters, I need 10' exactly

 

[D45]

I found this site, which helps with boards lengths and cut angles for gambrel roofs:

http://www.blocklayer.com/roof/gambreleng.aspx

Looks like I can make a 22.5 degree cut, for all four of the 2x4s for each truss

Additionally, looks like each 2x4 needs to be 3'9-15/16" long in order to be a 10' wide truss

Will be a lot easier to make all four 2x4s the same size/length

 

[D45]

Ok.....after a long delay, I have all the truss 2x4s cut to length

I ended up making enough for 10 trusses, to match the wall studs

I just need to attach them to each other, and then attach them to the top plates of the wall

Two questions:

1) Do I have to use and make a billion gussets out of wood (which I have a ton of 1/2" and 3/8" spare plywood cuts available to use) or can I buy some metal pre-fabbed truss plates?



3"x6" Mending Plates:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...-in-Mending-Plate-MP36/100374920?N=5yc1vZaqzs

3"x7" Tie Plate:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...-x-7-in-Tie-Plate-TP37/100375215?N=5yc1vZaqzs

The mending plates and tie plates come in a lot of wide variety of sizes, but I am not sure if I need or have to use wood gussets or not


2) How should I attach them to the top wall plate? Long screws or buy metal truss brackets?


Galvanized 18-Gauge Hurricane Tie:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...e-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721?N=5yc1vZaqzs

Hurricane ties also come in a wide variety of lengths and sizes

I was just thinking and hoping that I could buy a premade metal tie/plate, rather than having to spending all the time making a wooden gusset

Any help here?

 

[D45]

 

[Beemer533]

Nice looking pile of wood there!

The first link for the mending plate says it is not to be used for trusses... Not sure if I'd trust it. There might be others though that are made for it.. Not sure what the truss manufacturers use...

The second one almost seems too big to me, with a 2x4, that many nails from both sides seems like it would just split the 2x4 pretty bad...

It *****, but I'd probably just use plywood and glue and screws... It make a lot easier if you could rig up a jig, but I guess it depends..

For securing the trusses to the top plates, the straps you linked to are fine, or these are the ones I used :http://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...lvanized-18-Gauge-Hurricane-Tie-H1Z/100374935

A recommendation is to get or borrow or rent a palm nailer for the ties... It made driving all those nails for the straps really quick..

 

[D45]

Good idea for the palm nailer.....might be a good investment to buy one for $60ish

6 gussets each for 8 trusses and 3 gussets each for the front and back truss is just A LOT of time spent on gusset fab and cutting

DAMN I was hoping to find and use something already made for trusses!!!!!!!!!!!!


Google "roof truss gusset" and all the results are for mending tie plates......most are residential roofs too.

Certain I cant use mending plates for the shed?

 

[D45]

http://www.strongtie.com/products/ics/trussplates.html#

Truss Mending Plates

 

[Beemer533]

Nope, I'm not certain at all that you can't do it! I'm sure you can actually, I was just pointing out that the specific one you linked said not for trusses...

I don't know, maybe one made for a truss has longer spikes? Not sure.. I'm sure there is something available though..

 

[Beemer533]

Honestly though, I'm sure cutting the gussets wouldn't be too bad.. It's not like you have to cut one at a time, you should be able to stack quite a few to cut at the same time..

 

[bczygan]

Did you ever cut the stud on either side of the opening, to make it into a jack stud for a header?

And are you going to provide eave an ridge venting?

 

[glider]

I use a staple gun on the gussets. If you wanted to get crazy you could glue them also.

 

[bczygan]

I wonder what the shear strength of staples is?

 

[glider]

I wonder what the shear strength of staples is?

As in impact?

 

[Beemer533]

Damn.. Would that have been caused by a tree? That *****.

 

[D45]

I took Monday off and will start the roof truss fabrication with the help of a friend

I will look and see if I can find a prefabbed product to use this weekend, otherwise I will spend a hour or so and just cut 30 gussets

 

[Dustball]

The problem with using those truss mending plates is putting them on evenly. Ideally they'd be pressed on using a press with a plate that pushes down on the entire mending plate at once. Using a hammer tends to deform the mending plates as you put them on.

 

[D45]

I ended up spending like 3 hours and making wood gussets, out of a free 4x8 sheet and some other scrap wood I had around

I used 4D 1-3/4" nails and hammered them all in...........I need to buy an air nailer

6 trusses with gussets on both sides and then 2 trusses with gussets just on one side

Hope to figure out what brackets I can use this week to attach them to the top wall plates

I should install the exterior wood siding sheets first right? I just figured this will help square up the walls and provide for a more stable 'foundation" before I actually attempt to install the roof trusses

 

[Beemer533]

Nice, looks like they came out well.

I got about 2 hours into building my shed before going and buying a framing nailer.. saved me a ton of time!

You could just brace the walls internally with some 2x4 diagonals, or just put up one sheet on each wall...

I put up all my simpson tie plates on first ( on the outside) to make it easier to install the rafters.

you can see here I did kind of a mix; a couple of internal braces and exterior sheathing. I don't think it is a huge deal either way you decide to do it.

If you do use the sheathing, make sure you install the simpson clips first. I guess they can go on the inside as well though.. not sure on that.

 

[D45]

Can I used two of those tie plates per each side of the truss (4 total) or are one per side enough (2 total)?

It looks like you mounted the tie plates on the outside of the walls

Since I don't have any overhang, can I just mount them on the inside of the top of the walls?

 

[D45]

Good idea attaching a board to the shed's foundation for setting and hanging the 4x8 sheets of wood siding!!

 

[Beemer533]

Can I used two of those tie plates per each side of the truss (4 total) or are one per side enough (2 total)?

It looks like you mounted the tie plates on the outside of the walls

Since I don't have any overhang, can I just mount them on the inside of the top of the walls?

I would just use 2 per rafter, or one on each side... I don't see why you couldn't use them on the inside.. I guess I didn't think about it, but yeah, with that type of roof system, there probably isn't room to put them on the outside.

Good idea attaching a board to the shed's foundation for setting and hanging the 4x8 sheets of wood siding!!

Yeah, I started out by stacking wood on the ground, but it took forever to get the sheet level.. I scrapped that idea pretty quickly.. then I realized a straight board with a couple screws was a much better idea

 

[D45]

That's a great idea, especially since I am doing 99% of the build and construction myself

I will just find some scrap wood and screw it to the base when I hang the siding

I am also going to lay down another layer of treated plywood inside flooring of the shed

I think I used 5/8" on the base initially and will use 1/2" for the top layer

I just bought a riding mower and think the added top layer will be beneficial

I think I am also going to find a 48" long section of 1/8" angle aluminum, maybe like 3" long on each side to put over the shed entrance area......just liquid nail it down

I have 2 months to 100% finish and fill the shed. October 1 it MUST be done

It will be so nice to have all the lawn care items/tools, landscape stuff, pool items, and tree stands inside the shed and out of the garage!