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[Private Lugnutz]

I also picked up this Weyersberg cornet logo ISN 723 this morning.



If you've been tracking, or forgot, I've been building a set onesy-twosy for a long time. It started with one, then a couple, then a few {including mostly dupes) inside an interesting accordion clip. This 723 makes five (5). I am missing only one (1) now, as there is only room for six (6) wrenches in the clip. Either the smallest at 5/16" x 1/4" or possibly the largest at 15/16" x 1".

First find post with Weyersberg history linked here...

Show off your DOE's!

She still had the bikini on, just not all of it...

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I love the accordion clip. So simple, so effective. I wish I had about a dozen more of them. Maybe I will fab them for my other sets (not Weyersberg) that need clips. It's just a band of spring steel bent into little tightening pockets.

 

[Outlawmws]

Actually the second sentence is true. Acetylene was used for welding, but processed on site from carbide. (miners carbide lamps burn acetylene) the carbide was used to generate acetylene before a safe way to store it in tanks was sorted out. acetylene tanks have a porous material and acetone to prevent the acetylene from explosive decomposition

 

[Tostal]

Could it be Skoda? (a Czechoslovakian car manufacturer, now part of the VW group). The stamping in the wrench seems to be the mirror image of the Skoda logo i.e. the arrow is pointing to the left away from the feathers.



The Skoda logo consists of a winged arrow pointing to the right with either 3 or 5 feathers in a circle. The arrow represents speed, the wings = progress and freedom, the eye = precision and the circle = unity, completeness, world and harmony. The story goes that Emil Skoda (the founder of Skoda), while on travel in the U.S. was so taken with a Native American's feathered headdress, that he used elements of it as inspiration in creating his logo.

~Tostal.

Bumped....

 

[Provincial]

Actually the second sentence is true. Acetylene was used for welding, but processed on site from carbide. (miners carbide lamps burn acetylene) the carbide was used to generate acetylene before a safe way to store it in tanks was sorted out. acetylene tanks have a porous material and acetone to prevent the acetylene from explosive decomposition

Right! I should have said it "was the predecessor of bottled acetylene."

 

[3baygarage]

3baygarage, this..​

reminds me of the combo nut drivers we had when I flew radio control planes.
One fit the glow plugs, another usually the wing bolts, yet another the prop nut.

Here is a thread I posted about the brand. Never did find out more. There are some pictures of the ends.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/hopper-tools-buffalo-ny.397503/

 

[3baygarage]

Have a look at my Avatar; your Driver wrench might be associated with The Driver Line of Walker Turner machines.

Matthew

That’s what I was told as well. The wrench has Driver on an angle like Lugz’ does.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I snagged a little Spearpoint at the flea this morning. I have some Superslims and some Snail brand and a few other British brands whose names escape me at the moment, but this is my first Spearpoint. I know that 2oolhound has at least one that he posted in Farmer J.'s T. Williams thread, due to its nearly identical manufacturing features with the paneled Superslim wrenches, and a few others have shown up in some very old threads, but none here in DOE central so far.

As you can see it's marked for imperial Whitworth ("W") nuts and bolts on one side, British Standard Fine ("BSF") on the other.

 

[kwigly]

Found a few British wrenches in sorting my pile. Shelley, Wildt & Co, Britool, Dropstamco. I especially like the little Shelley with its raised lettering and dual size marking (BSF and Whitworth sizes for each end)
[Note; A two hour job of size-sorting a pile of old wrenches has turned into a multi day effort as I keep falling down the rabbit hole of researching Manufacturers, logos, and histories ! ]

 

[Tostal]

Gedore Vanadium No 985, 5/8" x 3/4" DOE's (2 off,) part of a HGV (truck) toolkit in the 1980's.


~Tostal

 

[Tostal]

Some more old DOE's that were part of car toolkits from
8 x 13mm Heyco; 9 x 10mm Mercedes Benz/Matador x2; 14 x 17mm DIN 895 (which is a German tool standard rather than a manufacturer).


~Tostal

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I found a nice example of a wartime Armstrong 1728 (3/4" x 9/19") this morning at the flea (see Pics 1 & 2) with a crisp, clean branding on the top side major jaw (see Pic 3).

If the "HI-TENSILE" stamp on the shank (see Pic 5), which Armstrong used to signify their adherence to WPB alloy restrictions (akin to Herbrand choosing actual AISI numbers), wasn't enough of a WWII production tell, the Ordnance Dept "taxi" number under the Armstrong model number on the top side minor jaw ("TKKX2E") (see Pic 4) would definitely nail it. These were esoteric Ordnance Dept-only stock system numbers that were gradually being phased out during the war, nicknamed "taxi" numbers due to them all starting with a T and typically having lots of A's and X's, as well.

See Pic 6 for an ORD 5 catalog excerpt including this wrench and Pic 7 for an excerpt from one of my reference books where the "taxi system" is mentioned, near the top. (Please ignore the red numbers and underlining; this was prepared for a section of a guide I was writing about various stock numbers, and I don't feel like making another excerpt without it.)

The ISN ("728" embedded inside the Armstrong 1XXX format model numbering scheme for engineer's wrenches) is an odd one and not an in-demand combination for any vehicles or toolsets, but I like collecting wrenches with "taxi" numbers regardless of application. They are not too common.

You can see the rough finish lines on the faces of the pear heads.

 

[MisterEd]

Can anyone explain the Profile of this Lakeside Wrench?

 

[leg17]

Looks like an ordinary tappet wrench.
What am I missing?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It's a tad unusual to see a hex throat, but yeah, I agree with leg, tappet or checknut. What are the openings? If they're stamped I don't see them, sorry. And check out the tappet wrench thread for more info.

 

[RTM]

Seeing as how Lakeside didn't make anything, I'd also track down who stamped the keystone, see who may have made it for some special reason.

 

[Outlawmws]

RTM which Lakeside? beside the "Marketing" Lakeside, there were other factories, foundries, likely forges with different variants of the Lakeside name around the Great lakes. Lakeside and Lake Side.. but what came after the name?

 

[MisterEd]

<sigh> All I was trying to understand was why the throat of the Wrench looked as it did. Just tryin' to learn here guys and as has been said elsewhere, there is no better place than Garage Journal. Problem is, for a tool nerd like me it's hard to be sure you're asking the right questions in the right ways. Twenty years of teaching severely emotionally disturbed adolescence has given me a different perspective on questions and answers, I guess.

I'll back off now and just post pictures until I'm better informed.

 

[RTM]

RTM which Lakeside? beside the "Marketing" Lakeside, there were other factories, foundries, likely forges with different variants of the Lakeside name around the Great lakes. Lakeside and Lake Side.. but what came after the name?

Usually I associate Lakeside as the Montgomery Ward house brand of tools, and that was where my comment was aimed. From 1908 until who remembers when.

there were others obviously with the Lakeside name, but most were either niche products, or very small operations based on the numbers of tools found.

I should have been more clear to say (hindsight 20/20 yada yada)

Since MW’s Lakeside didn’t make anything…….

But my intention was: Figure out who else used Lakeside and the keystone together, and then maybe it is a a unique mfgr. If just a keystone was some other wrench maker, I’d give more thought it was made for MW.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

<sigh> All I was trying to understand was why the throat of the Wrench looked as it did...[ ]...I'll back off now and just post pictures until I'm better informed.

Ed,
You said "profile", not throat, and leg17 rightly zeroed in on the thin beam, which is characteristic of checknut and tappet wrenches, used on tappet adjusters with hex-shaped heads and hex-shaped jam, lock, or checknuts that work in concert with the tappets. I noticed the throat and mentioned it as slightly unusual for tappets wrenches, less so for checknuts, though

I sense your frustration, but I'm not sure why or what you expected. This was a very typical string of replies to a question like yours.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

@RTM
There is ZERO question or mystery who made that wrench. Lakeside Forge, in Erie, PA. It was an old, venerated, well known tool maker and has nothing to do with the Monkey Wards brand. See post #962 on page 25 of this thread for just two other examples, a couple of my Lakeside Forge "S" wrenches. There have been other Lakeside Forge wrenches posted here on GJ. A search will turn them up much more frequently than the MW brand.

 

[RTM]

Sorry, I gotta remember my background in WW tools has a different basis than those with wrenches in their eyes. Lotsa Lakeside planes and saws out there from MW. Didn’t look at many wrenches until the last few years, you guys are a bad influence.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Picked up my second 'Snail' brand Colchester Lathe Co Ltd wrench this morning at the flea. It is inordinately short in shank length for the major jaw, which has a 1-5/16" milled opening! Shown with my other one in Pic 3 & 4. Made by Thomas Smith & Sons of Saltley Ltd, Birmingham.

 

[Outlawmws]

Is the little one made of a bronze alloy? Or is it the light?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The light. And it has a little more of that black finish that has gone dusky gray with age.

 

[d42jeep]

I found these at an estate sale today. I’ll bet somebody knows who made them. I would guess Vlchek but I would probably be wrong.
-Don

 

[leg17]

Actually, you might be right.

 

[humber2]

Picked up my second 'Snail' brand Colchester Lathe Co Ltd wrench this morning at the flea. It is inordinately short in shank length for the major jaw, which has a 1-5/16" milled opening! Shown with my other one in Pic 3 & 4. Made by Thomas Smith & Sons of Saltley Ltd, Birmingham.

I suspect that one wrench is carbon steel and the other is EN5 alloy.

Note too that the Snail motifs differ, this may be a dating code or signify metallurgy used.

I don’t know much other than there a lot of different motifs.

A bit like Google home page each day.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Some of you may recall the "DRIVER" marked wrench I found last November (page 27) that Isaiah6113 (see his avatar!) and Outlaw helped identify as possibly associated with the early Sears line of lathes of that name made by Walker Turner. Well, guess what. I found another one this morning with a different milled opening and a different forge number on it.

 

[MisterEd]

Anyone care to explain why these three Moore Wrenches, all 9/16 x 5/8, each have a different number?.

 

[Outlawmws]

Might be Years?

 

[leg17]

Die numbers?

 

[MisterEd]

Yep. might be either. Weirdly, we also have a #12 and a #6 that're being de-rusted a bit.

 

[Mintgrun]

Is anyone familiar with the AMERICAN STEEL & STAMPING CO.? Searching the forum didn't bring anything up and my brief internet hunt came up blank, aside from a couple examples on the auction site. It's sort of an odd logo layout. The back side is blank. I'll bet it's old.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Cool find, Tom. First for me. No hits on Google Books.

 

[four.cycle]

"...AMERICAN STEEL & STAMPING CO...."

new to me.

 

[Outlawmws]

new to me.

There is a 1" X 15/16 on Eprey right now

 

[d42jeep]

I forgot to past my odd little French DOE. I think Lugz and Outlaw have these as well.
-Don
Before and after cleanup.

 

[Outlawmws]

Yep - Both of us.

I've actually used mine and one set is in the project fan for travel use. Not for close quarters nuts and bolts though

 

[d42jeep]

I found a metric -v- Craftsman DOE at an estate sale on Friday and a Williams Superior and FairmounT #34 wrench at a garage sale on Saturday.
-Don
Craftsman

FairmounT


Williams Superior (carbon steel)

 

[2mJps]

I bought these at a flea market today . Did not need them but $10.00.