RTM
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Side rabbet plane, dual, might be Stanley, but looks more like a Preston.
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RTM
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Argh, max # of edits. Stanley 98 & 99 were their single side rabbets, one each way, 79 was their dual, blades at opposite ends. The number of their one of that shape is escaping me.
The Preston’s are more elegant, rather than just a knob poking out.
Here is a modern Woodcraft version
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The Preston’s are more elegant, rather than just a knob poking out.
Here is a modern Woodcraft version
WoodRiver Side Rabbet Plane | Woodcraft
Buy the Side Rabbet Plane for sale online from Woodcraft. Visit us to order online or find your local Woodcraft store today!
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WisJim
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I think Sargent and Record made that style of side rabbet plane, not Stanley. I have the Stanley versions and find them useful when working with cheap pine car siding and other tongue and groove material, to clean up or widen the grooves.
Preston side rabbet plane. Here's some info about it. https://www.findmytool.co.uk/preston-side-rebate-plane-small-review.php#gsc.tab=0
d42jeep
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Here is an unusual plane I found on Saturday at a Tahoe garage sale. According to the seller, it belonged to his grandfather and had been stored on a shelf in his garage for 30 years. It came with quite a few very old woodworking tools.
-Don
It has some markings but I don’t know who made it. I didn’t want to post it on the Stanley thread.
Another picture of the plane.
-Don
These were part of the garage sale lot as well.
-Don
Since woodworking really isn’t my thing, I set aside my recent antique woodworking tools for my retired carpenter buddy to look through and see it there were any tools that he wanted. I had set aside a Craftsman Heritage carpenter’s box that he had a use for as well. He went through the drawer and picked out several pieces of interest. He is the same friend that made my Plomb tower that has been posted in my basement thread along with several other items.
Here are the items he picked out. I was pleased that he found some things he liked. We’ve been close friends since the first grade!
Here are a couple of his projects that are in my basement display.
-Don
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RTM
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So, Ararat asked about two planes sitting off to the side in a previous picture I shared. Those two are a pair of side rabbet planes, the wooden brother, and simpler version of the dual rabbet Preston that he just posted inadvertently. I got these in an auction lot out of the UK, they sat un bid on, so my starting bid grabbed them. Then shipping to a UK central location that consolidated them into a 30kg box, wherein they got shipped to Virginia, unpacked, and reshipped to me in the SF bay area. By that time, tho I'd saved a bunch of money, I kinda forgot the sellers description, so making this up as I go.
This pair of wooden planes was (probably shop made in my mind, until I looked harder into the last two pictures about 5 minutes before I posted) made by a J. Wood in either London or Manchester, has been through 3 owners before me, and I can't wait to sit down and try to get them to work.
So here they are together, and this pic should give you a pretty good clue that they may have been home made. I took this one tonight, when I finally had a few minutes to sit and think.
Here is an end view of one of them
And a perspective view, giving a general idea of the geometry involved.
And a back view giving another clue into the shop made theory.
It wasn't until I took this pic that I realized that they weren't twins. All of the solo pics were the right hand unit from the 1st pic.
This sort of adds to the wondery, was this blade built this way from the start of the plane's life, or was it created to fill in when the original got lost, or worn out. Not lots of sharpening room on the right iron above
And the 3 previous owners appear to have been, in no particular order
P. Tadd, stamped 2x each plane, pic one
W A Wallis,, stamped 2x on each toe (2nd pic) and once on each heel (no pic)
But he very rudely stamped over a prior owner, looking like J ASHFORD and a J. WOOD
You can see the J. Ashford here, in the top pic, and J. Wood a bit in the lower pic
And J. Wood here with a little magnification assistance. After taking this pic, I looked in my Goodman's British Planemakers 4th edition, and realized this name was actually here. The other names stamped were already checked before tonight. (Being stamped 2-6 times is usually not a makers' mark.)
The page from Goodman's. Holy cow, these things may be coming up on 200 years old Whether James or Jason made them I will never know.
And for those who don't know, a rabbet plane is usually for cutting a rebate (notch) on the side of a board, like cutting a notch to hold a piece of glass in a picture frame. This side rebate (rabbet) plane is used for cutting the vertical face to make the notch a bit wider, or to make a groove wider for a tongue and groove joint. Because of this 2nd usage, these planes are very skinny near their cutting edge, so they can drop into a groove, and make it a touch wider. I like having wooden planes around, I much prefer my wooden rabbets over my Stanley 78 for being users. Generally less fiddly
I have a couple of modern side rabbet versions, but one just is too big for many groove applications, and the other is kinda tiny. I used this one once to fix a wonky groove for 1/8" thick plywood on a toolbox, which they had undersized the sheet, and under cut the groove, so it was a real bear to get square to itself. Somewhere I have a Stanley 79, but the one edge is busted up.
Oh well, gotta go to bed, enjoy
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Thanks for the pics, those are cool. I think the Marples blade looks like it was a regular rabbet plane blade that was used to replace a worn out blade for the side rabbet. The other one seems like a replacement as well since it is a little crude for a planemaker original blade I would think. It's cool that these were used so much they were using up blades. That's the first time I've seen this design in wooden planes. I'll send some pics of the metal side rabbet when I get back from vacation.So, Ararat asked about two planes sitting off to the side in a previous picture I shared. Those two are a pair of side rabbet planes, the wooden brother, and simpler version of the dual rabbet Preston that he just posted inadvertently. I got these in an auction lot out of the UK, they sat un bid on, so my starting bid grabbed them. Then shipping to a UK central location that consolidated them into a 30kg box, wherein they got shipped to Virginia, unpacked, and reshipped to me in the SF bay area. By that time, tho I'd saved a bunch of money, I kinda forgot the sellers description, so making this up as I go.
This pair of wooden planes was (probably shop made in my mind, until I looked harder into the last two pictures about 5 minutes before I posted) made by a J. Wood in either London or Manchester, has been through 3 owners before me, and I can't wait to sit down and try to get them to work.
So here they are together, and this pic should give you a pretty good clue that they may have been home made. I took this one tonight, when I finally had a few minutes to sit and think.
Here is an end view of one of them
And a perspective view, giving a general idea of the geometry involved.
And a back view giving another clue into the shop made theory.
It wasn't until I took this pic that I realized that they weren't twins. All of the solo pics were the right hand unit from the 1st pic.
This sort of adds to the wondery, was this blade built this way from the start of the plane's life, or was it created to fill in when the original got lost, or worn out. Not lots of sharpening room on the right iron above
And the 3 previous owners appear to have been, in no particular order
P. Tadd, stamped 2x each plane, pic one
W A Wallis,, stamped 2x on each toe (2nd pic) and once on each heel (no pic)
But he very rudely stamped over a prior owner, looking like J ASHFORD and a J. WOOD
You can see the J. Ashford here, in the top pic, and J. Wood a bit in the lower pic
And J. Wood here with a little magnification assistance. After taking this pic, I looked in my Goodman's British Planemakers 4th edition, and realized this name was actually here. The other names stamped were already checked before tonight. (Being stamped 2-6 times is usually not a makers' mark.)
The page from Goodman's. Holy cow, these things may be coming up on 200 years old Whether James or Jason made them I will never know.
And for those who don't know, a rabbet plane is usually for cutting a rebate (notch) on the side of a board, like cutting a notch to hold a piece of glass in a picture frame. This side rebate (rabbet) plane is used for cutting the vertical face to make the notch a bit wider, or to make a groove wider for a tongue and groove joint. Because of this 2nd usage, these planes are very skinny near their cutting edge, so they can drop into a groove, and make it a touch wider. I like having wooden planes around, I much prefer my wooden rabbets over my Stanley 78 for being users. Generally less fiddly
I have a couple of modern side rabbet versions, but one just is too big for many groove applications, and the other is kinda tiny. I used this one once to fix a wonky groove for 1/8" thick plywood on a toolbox, which they had undersized the sheet, and under cut the groove, so it was a real bear to get square to itself. Somewhere I have a Stanley 79, but the one edge is busted up.
Oh well, gotta go to bed, enjoy
RTM
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Me too, that's why I grabbed them. Wondered if the three owners meant not easy to use, but 3 owners over 200 years is pretty good lifetime. Wearing out a blade as well.
RTM
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While we are on the topic, here is a heartbreaking video on the Preston side rabbet. (Not mine, but I know the guy)
When they have the guides the price goes way up. I had a priority package get lost for almost 2 months. It was an ebay item coming from the Midwest somewhere and the tracking got stuck in "moving through the network". One day I happened to check the tracking and it got scanned in Mississippi. Couple days later it made it. Did the guy make another one?
niget2002
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I have one nice Veritas plane that I bought for the kayak build. I also have an older shoulder plane.
I have a few other hand me down planes, but they all need work.
I have a few other hand me down planes, but they all need work.
RTM
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I didn't ask him yet, waiting for it to come up in conversation. I weighed in on the screw development to avoid any mods to the factory build.
This is his story on it's sightseeing adventure: "I know it made it from Michigan to SFO, then it went to Oakand airport for some reason, and then back to SFO, and then it fell off the radar. The woman assigned to my case said it could easily have been accidently shipped out of the country at some point from that location. ...... I get updates every couple months saying that they still can't find it but I don't think anyone is actively looking. It is probably stuck in a wheel well of a van or behind a bin or bench at the SFO sorting office and will be discovered when the building is torn down in 15 years."
Here's a spokeshave I have that I can't ID. No marks on the blade. Brass screw for the mouth adjustment, steel screw with a knurled brass collar that makes it easier to tighten and loosen.
There's an "S" mark on the casting on the inside that is like early Stanley planes that have the "S" and "B" casting marks. So maybe an early No 53 with some cool customizations?
There's an "S" mark on the casting on the inside that is like early Stanley planes that have the "S" and "B" casting marks. So maybe an early No 53 with some cool customizations?
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RTM
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Looks a lot like my Stanleys, the top has a custom screw. Forget if there are casting numbers.
The screws are an oddball thread, so some special work required.
There were several different years with different knobs.
I think the S casting mark looks like the ones on the Stanley planes from the late 1800's. It's weird that it doesn't have 53 on the back though. I didn't find anything like the screws in the Spokeshave book. I got it because it was different and hoped there was a mark on it, but nothing on it except for the S.Looks a lot like my Stanleys, the top has a custom screw. Forget if there are casting numbers.
The screws are an oddball thread, so some special work required.
There were several different years with different knobs.
Models manufactured c. 1899-1901 may have "B" casting marks. From: https://www.hyperkitten.com/tools/routers/stanley/stanley_71.5.html
Nice, it's in great condition.
Yes it has the B casting mark on top
The larger metal one is a cobbler's heel shave. The small one is a patternmaker spokeshave.
The wooden ones look like beech wood body spokeshaves. They may be user made or their marks worn off over time.
That makes sense as I got them in a rare 31 inch gerstner pattern makers toolbox loaded with tools. Got them from a friend and were his buddies toolbox. Jim and his buddy were both pattern makers in the 1950s to the 80s. A number of unusual tools in the box making my head scratch. A few of the cool tools they used.
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That's great you were able to get that box from your friend. I don't know what those tools are for. Is the one with the wooden handle a marking knife?
It was nice to get Hops toolbox and both him and Jim are 82 years young. Yes that is correct and carvers on the other end. The brass semicircle is for finding the edge to draw a radius with your compass dividers. The brass round disk is an old school shaper for the drill press and it works like a power planer and not OSHA approved . The steel balls are used for doing radius with hot wax or other materials.
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The guide for the dividers is a clever tool, seems useful. I was imagining the "power planer" being used with a modern router or power drill and I was cringing. Maybe not too dangerous in the drill press.
My 71 1/2 is type 5. About 25-35 years younger than yours.
From the type study site:
"Some maple knobs of this type are finished natural and others are painted black." My plane has the natural finish and the holes for a wooden base.
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@ararat i agree on the power planer thing and will just be a good conversation piece. All the toolboxes had them inside 4 in all and all looked well used and no signs of blood.
that’s a great looking router plane and condition looks outstanding. I have a few 71s and don’t use them much either but love the looks of them
that’s a great looking router plane and condition looks outstanding. I have a few 71s and don’t use them much either but love the looks of them
RTM
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Ohh, like that idea
Nice. Did your patternmaker friends make it?
crguy
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The Bailey has the name right in the casting. See the pics.
The Smith is not marked except for the blade. The Bailey has Bailey's Patent on the back of one handle and the 1858 Patent date on the other. According to the Spokeshave book the earlier models had the Bailey mark on the brass adjustment screw.
Thank you for the information and will have to check my spokeshaves. I’m more of a user than a collector ,so I collect what I could use building furniture and boats . Of course if it looked cool and unique I would buy it for eye candy..
