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[Toolfool]

Toolfool,

Thanks for the scoop!

Shawn

Hey, I haven't even checked yet.

 

[Farmer J.]

Sorry for the delayed reply. You are correct. Those panels look like they were made with a similar handplane. When I make them, I use a saw to define the inner edge and to make a clean cut on the side of the raised block.

Thanks for that, and we're enjoying looking at your website too.
Best wishes, J.

 

[hsvtoolfool]

Hey, I haven't even checked yet.

Okay, let's settle the confusion. First, I am a different
person altogether...

Everyone: "First, I am a different person."

Second, always work in Airplane! jokes whenever possible.

Third, I've used the handle "hsvtoolfool" on line since
about 1994. Think modems, BBS, Intel 486, and massive
14" CRT 640x480 monitors.

Pep Ridge Fahms remembahs!

Of course I wanted my on-line handle to be just "toolfool"
but somebody always got it first. So I gave up and just
added my local airport code as a prefix. I don't even think
to check anymore if there's a similar name already
registered.

And now you know...the rest of the story.

 

[Zeke]

Picked these up yesterday from an antiques dealer that sends me some work. I paid $12.50 ea. I don't know if that's a good price or not. All home made as far as I can tell.

 

[bubinga]

$20.00 shipped off "the bay"
its a CM. (probably made by Stanley, My guess)
gonna polish the sides and bottom just for the halibut.

 

[jimreed2160]

Picked these up yesterday from an antiques dealer that sends me some work. I paid $12.50 ea. I don't know if that's a good price or not. All home made as far as I can tell.

Three H&R planes probably from same set. The hollow and round look like same size--maybe a pair. The three beads might be from the same set. The two rabbets or dados look like different manufacturers. They are probably good user planes.

 

[Irish Mike]

Bought these for 50.00 at an estate sale. That a NIB Stanley Bailey.....

 

[CRSINMICH]

Mike: That's a nice variety and selection of planes. I can't quite tell with my old eyes but are the two smallest a Stanley No.100 and a No.75? Congratulations! That was a good find. More pix please.

 

[jimreed2160]

Bought these for 50.00 at an estate sale. That a NIB Stanley Bailey.....

Nice lot. The tailed block plane is a #100 if it has a flat bottom and a #100 1/2 if it has a rounded bottom. They got the red lever cap in 1941. The #100 1/2 is very collectible.

The longer plane looks like a low knob #6 fore plane in good condition. Those are good high quality user planes from 100 years ago. And the one in the box looks like it is collector ready. All of these planes look well cared for.

 

[Irish Mike]

OK...some close ups....The big one is a Fulton.....

 

[CRSINMICH]

Mike: Oooo! A sweetheart! Collectors love those. Welcome to the arcane world of Stanley logo variations. You may already know that the SW really stands for Stanley Works. The real value of it lies in dating the tool. Stanley only put the heart logo on their tools for a few years in the late 1920's and early 1930's. (It has recently been revived). Many people feel that it was a golden age for Stanley during which they produced their finest tools. Thanks for the extra pictures. You got some good ones in that lot. Congrats!

 

[hsvtoolfool]

I wish there was a period study on Stanley plane box labels.

 

[twertsy]

I wish there was a period study on Stanley plane box labels.

I'm currently going through all tool related trademarks since they started in 1870. I hit the first Stanley today at 1891, but I've found several Bailey TMs prior. I plan on going up through 1950.

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[porschedude996TT]

My wife worked in a cabinet shop for years and amassed a collection from within the shop and people who who were customers that admired her collection and added to it.

 

[porschedude996TT]

at least 4 characters.

 

[porschedude996TT]

at least 4 characters. X2

 

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at least 4 characters x3

 

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at least 4 characters x4

 

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at least 4 characters x5

 

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at least 4 characters x6

One I haven’t hung on the pegboard.

 

[crguy]

I'm currently going through all tool related trademarks since they started in 1870. I hit the first Stanley today at 1891, but I've found several Bailey TMs prior. I plan on going up through 1950.

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Stanley started making planes in 1867, and the various trademarks used thru the years are all shown in type studies of Stanley planes by Roger Smith, etc.

 

[hsvtoolfool]

I'm interested in the graphics and design used on the
box labels. I've never seen a study on them. I'm sure
it's almost impossible given the labels varied so much
between products.

My two favorite elements which Stanley used are the
the etched catalog diagram and the calligraphy "S"
used in the 1910s through the 1920s. The labels
got less interesting when Stanley Rule and Level
was absorbed into Stanley Tool Works...

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[jimreed2160]

I'm interested in the graphics and design used on the
box labels. I've never seen a study on them. I'm sure
it's almost impossible given the labels varied so much
between products.

My two favorite elements which Stanley used are the
the etched catalog diagram and the calligraphy "S"
used in the 1910s through the 1920s. The labels
got less interesting when Stanley Rule and Level
was absorbed into Stanley Tool Works...

View media item 79283

This is cool. It would be nice to have a definitive label type study.

 

[CRSINMICH]

STANLEY labels Here are my contributions. A #45A (aluminum) made by Stanley Rule and Level and a #92 made by Stanley Tool division of The Stanley Works. I don't remember offhand when they were folded together but that would help date this particular label. (I put the two labels from the #45A box together for photographic purposes.)

 

[hsvtoolfool]

I wouldn't try to use labels or boxes to date planes
beyond the overall period: "holy **** that's old!", "eh,
it's an old good-un", or "meh, my Dad bought it new
down at Harrison Bros when he was a young man").
Instead, I would date the box based on the plane.
The plane type studies are very detailed. Of course,
it's a given that you must have the plane with it's
known-original box.

Stanley probably used their existing inventory of labels
and boxes for several years after 1920. The more expensive
specialty planes (with lower sales) may have kept older
style labels for even longer. Those thrifty yankees, and
all that.

Then again, who knows? Stanley Tool Works may have
been all about corporate image. Being seen as modern.
So they may have tossed every existing box and label
the moment they absorbed their "Rule & Level" cousin.

But this is also why I'm interested in a label study.

 

[Jim C.]

I’m not so sure a Stanley label study would provide the results or accuracy some may desire. Stanley was not in the habit of wasting packaging inventory (boxes, labels, paper, etc.) While they obviously changed/updated box colors, box construction, and label designs over time, they also used the old stock until it was gone. Some of that stuff may have been around for years and consequently overlapped the various tool (hand plane) type studies that exist. The same goes for plane parts. Stanley didn’t waste that stuff and they used older, interchangeable, parts until they were gone. It’s hardly uncommon to find “era correct” parts from consecutive plane types on a single plane, in its original box, with a label that would be consistent with a much earlier type plane. Some planes were always in “picture boxes” while the plane inside was clearly from a later era. One might say the box and the plane are not original to each other. That’s certainly a good possibility, but on the other hand, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a #72 for instance, and a few others, in any other box but one with a picture on the label. A label on the box might help date the tool inside, but that’s just one clue, and then it may still be suspect because of Stanley’s propensity to use old inventory until it was gone. I think a label study would be tough to accurately establish.

Jim C.

 

[CRSINMICH]

toolfool and jim: I agree with what you both said. A definitive study would be nearly impossible. On the other hand, it wouldn't be any fun discussing things if everything was already in a handy chart.

By the way, the box for the #45A had one more label. Using that, I was able to find the original selling price and where it was sold. It turns out that it was only 5 miles down the road from where I bought it.

 

[CRSINMICH]

MILLERS FALLS No. 85 Rabbet plane​

I dug this out from where I had carefully placed it at the back of a lower shelf inside a bottom cabinet some time ago. I set the fence and the depth stop for a 3/8" x 3/8" rabbet, clamped a piece of scrap in my vise, and had at it. 16 strokes later (I counted). It was finished. Total time from setting the box on top of the bench to finished rabbet was less than 5 minutes and this was the first time I had used this plane. I was so amazed that I turned the scrap over and did it again. Again it only took 16 strokes! That amounts to 3/128ths per stroke or 0.0234 decimal equivalent. That sounds thin but the shavings were substantial; nothing wispy about them.

I was so impressed that I gave it a thorough cleaning and lube after flattening the sole. It's not going back on the shelf. It's much too handy.

If this No. 85 looks familiar that's because there are superficial similarities to a Stanley 78 but I can assure you that only the body, blade, cap iron, adjustment mechanism, depth stop, nicker, and fence system are the same as a 78. Everything else is different.

 

[Farmer J.]

MILLERS FALLS No. 85 Rabbet plane​

I dug this out from where I had carefully placed it on the back of a lower shelf inside a bottom cabinet some time ago. I set the fence and the depth stop for a 3/8" x 3/8" rabbet, clamped a piece of scrap in my vise, and had at it. 16 strokes later (I counted). It was finished. Total time from setting the box on top of the bench to finished rabbet was less than 5 minutes and this was the first time I had used this plane. I was so amazed that I turned the scrap over and did it again. Again it only took 16 strokes! That amounts to 3/128ths per stroke or 0.0234 decimal equivalent. That sounds thin but the shavings were substantial; nothing wispy about them.

I was so impressed that I gave it a thorough cleaning and lube after flattening the sole. It's not going back on the shelf. It's much too handy.

If this No. 85 looks familiar that's because there are superficial similarities to a Stanley 78 but I can assure you that only the body, blade, cap iron, adjustment mechanism, depth stop, nicker, and fence system are the same as a 78. Everything else is different.

What a pleasure that sounds. Nothing like using a well made and sharp hand tool, no noise or dust from a shrieking router tearing against the grain!
I just cut a few firewood logs with a bow saw instead of getting my chainsaw out for a small job, it was lovely out in the sunshine with only the sound of the saw blade in the wood and the fresh smell.

 

[hsvtoolfool]

Routers raise blood pressure, hand planes lowers it.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Farmer J and hsv: It was a pleasure and a delight. I'm sure that it lowered my blood pressure too. Maybe I could convince my doctor to write a prescription for woodworking hand tools. It's worth a try.

Farmer J: I envy your wood cutting. There is something pleasant about the experience. The old saying is, "It warms you twice; once when you cut it and once when you burn it." I know you were talking about a different kind of bow saw but take a look at this one I made a couple years ago. It's based on a Howarth saw. This type of saw is sometimes called a turning saw.

 

[Jim C.]

MILLERS FALLS No. 85 Rabbet plane​

".........If this No. 85 looks familiar that's because there are superficial similarities to a Stanley 78 but I can assure you that only the body, blade, cap iron, adjustment mechanism, depth stop, nicker, and fence system are the same as a 78. Everything else is different.

You named practically every part of the plane. What’s left? Seriously, it’s interesting that you mentioned the Stanley #78, or just Stanley for that matter. Other manufacturers also made similar styled rabbet planes. Still you focused on the giant, Stanley, just like Millers Falls did, and several other manufacturers back in the day. It’s no coincidence that many such competitors products strongly resemble or outright copied Stanley offerings. In the early to mid twentieth century, Stanley was the king of mass produced tools and everyone else was simply trying to get a bite or two of Stanley’s huge share of the pie. I admit, that while I have a few non Stanley hand planes, I go for old Stanleys 95% of the time.

Jim C.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Jim C: It was my sly way of saying that the 85 was a straight out copy of a 78. The 78 did come first. I happened on some information about Millers Falls that said that they only started making 85's in 1935.

 

[Jim C.]

Yes, by about fifty years!

 

[ez-duzit]

CR--nice saw.

 

[CRSINMICH]

EZ: Thanks! It was fun to make and a different kind of challenge. It's very useful too.

 

[Farmer J.]

Thank you for showing that turning saw, and how it goes together, I have seen pictures of ones of that general type but not managed a close look at one yet. It must have been fun to make, and is a thing of beauty to keep. Your guess about mine is correct, it's one of those modern lightweight steel ones from Sweden. Cheap to buy here but it cuts beautifully, it just glides through the timber.

 

[Farmer J.]

At risk of getting 'off topic' of the thread, but as it's a rainy Sunday i thought I would do some more research about these saws... First thing to pop up on my search was Thomas Flinn and co. who make fine hand tools using British steel and they sell saws of this type.

http://www.flinn-garlick-saws.co.uk...MIqPmA-snp2AIVg73tCh2YkgB4EAQYAiABEgJVDPD_BwE

Wooden Frame Turning Saw

Description
The wooden framed Turning Saw (also known as the Frame Saw) is used for a range of curved work. When twisted, the twine at the top of the frame gives the blade its tension. This is a very traditional style saw and are believed to have origins in the Middle Ages, when the blades were so thin and flexible that the frame stopped them from buckling. The frame is made from polished beech with turned handles.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Farmer J: I've had a Swedish Sven Saw for many many years. It is cleverly made to fold in on itself with the blade safely tucked inside. I keep it in my camping gear. It's dangerously sharp and cuts quickly.

Just to get this thread back on track (briefly), I did use a No. 4 plane to square the pieces of the turning saw before I started shaping. From then on I used nearly every hand tool in the shop including saws, draw knife, spokeshave, rasps, files, rifflers, chisels, tapered reamer, scrapers, and probably others I have forgot. By the way, the rasps are hand stitched in France and a joy to use. Merci, Noel.

 

[CRSINMICH]

THOS. IBBOTSON PLANE​

Here's a Before-and-After and some action stills of a Thomas Ibbotson plane I acquired about a year ago. I decided to give it a try today. It cut a 1/4 inch (6.3 mm) groove a little less that 3/8th of an inch (9.5 mm) from the edge of a board. Just like the Millers Falls rabbet plane, this one cut the groove precisely and quickly; less than a minute. I have some projects coming up that will require putting bottoms in a few boxes. The Ibbotson is now on the shelf next to the Millers Falls rebate plane.