Show us your Shears, Scissors, and Secateurs!

[four.cycle]

Where's the Wiss or tin snips thread?

This is it. All brands.

 

[Outlawmws]

Where's the Wiss or tin snips thread? Nothing in the Index nor results on search. Seems there are enough Wiss tin snips for a thread of their own?

There are definitely enough out there to warrant a new "brand" thread - certainly I can contribute! Go for it Timm!

This is it. All brands.

While I can appreciate the OP defending turf a bit. i think a Wiss thread would be worthwhile. That's what cross posting is all about!

 

[d42jeep]

I might have a few Wiss snips to post in a new Wiss thread. I don’t really see any downside to it.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I have posted all my Wiss scissors, shears, and snips, a couple of interesting Wiss catalog excerpts, and plenty of Wiss analysis and info in this thread - a total of thirty-two (32) posts where I have mentioned Wiss for one reason or another, and I plan to continue doing that, mainly because I hate with a passion the idea of re-posting things that I have already posted somewhere else, and I find it confusing having my things and my discussions split in too many places. But hey, that's just me. It's a free GJ!

 

[RivennHewn]

Have I posted these yet? I can’t remember

H. Boker

 

[Outlawmws]

Button hole scissors! i have my mom's old set.

 

[RivennHewn]

Button hole scissors! i have my mom's old set.

I got these in a lot of tools, and gave them to my mom years ago. When she passed, I grabbed them. Knowing that I’ll never use them like the seamstress that she was. But, I’ll think of her every time I do use them

 

[four.cycle]

While I can appreciate the OP defending turf a bit.

I don't by any stretch of the imagination consider it "my turf" - that's hardly the case.
For reasons outlined in @Private Lugnutz's "sticky" I avoid if at all possible creating new threads. This one was created because we were suddenly swamped with all manner of shears and snips in various threads. Consolidation keeps things simple and easier for me.

 

[Beerhippie]

My latest addition:



Wiss M-5 Bulldog Metalmaster. Seem like nice snips, and pretty clean.

 

[Outlawmws]

Nice find Timm - M5's are my go to for many cutting jobs where the R/L thing is of less importance.

FYI the color of the plastic handles on M5's is red. No clue why.

Those are also from the "Metal Master" era - a plus IMO

 

[Beerhippie]

Outlaw: I'm pretty sure these are pre-plastic grips.

They cleaned up nicely enough for me and the shop:



I wanted to save the black grip finish, so I just hit them with some 4-0 steel wool, then a wipe-down with CLP.

They're sitting beside the rest of the tin snips on my bench now.

 

[Outlawmws]

Outlaw: I'm pretty sure these are pre-plastic grips.

They could very well be, but I will often hit them with the appropriate color, or add that color tape, so I know what I have in my hands.

But I have an overflowing drawer of aviation snips to deal with too.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I'm pretty sure these are pre-plastic grips.

When did the grips go from rubber to plastic? I don't collect anything much past wartime and I have never looked at any catalogs much after that timeframe, either.

FWIW, Wiss introduced the "Metal Master" compound snips in 1939. They didn't have any grips. The rubber grips were first offered, as an option, in the 1941 catalog. The only snips available in the 1939, 1940, 1941, and 1944 catalogs were the M-1 (L) and M-2 (R). The first Wiss catalog available on IA/ITCL that offers any other snip is 1950, which includes an M-3 (Combination or Straight cut). It may have been introduced earlier, but judging by the explanatory description, it seems relatively new.

There is no "BULLDOG" branding in any of those catalogs.

The earliest reference to "BULLDOG" and "M-5" I can find is this 1952 Popular Mechanics ad, "Rubber grips recommended."

 

[Outlawmws]

Lugz, your comment about rubber made me go look and the pair I have with any rubber-like feeling (the part crossing the grip cavity) are newer? So maybe:

Plain steel
Rubber - I have none
Plastic
Rubber/Silicone?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

So maybe:

Plain steel
Rubber - I have none
Plastic
Rubber/Silicone?

Maybe. I've already figured out the evolution from 1939 to 1950, where my interest ends. Someone with an expressed interest in Wiss, an expressed interest in the compound snips, and access to the catalog at IA/ITCL or the Wiss site could go through the catalogs from 1950 to the modern era.

 

[Beerhippie]

....

The earliest reference to "BULLDOG" and "M-5" I can find is this 1952 Popular Mechanics ad, "Rubber grips recommended."

Thanks for the info!

So it sounds like the rubber grips were an add-on option?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

So it sounds like the rubber grips were an add-on option?

Yes. They were extra. All the catalogs from 1941 ($.40 extra) to 1952 ($.60 extra) make that clear, and you had to stipulate that on your order, otherwise you would get no grips. They were selling them separately, too, if you already had snips and wanted to add rubber grips. The suggested installment method was to varnish the handles first, then slip the grips on, and the varnish would dry and prevent them from slipping.

 

[WisJim]

I'm posting these unidentified scissors because they are marked "Oil here" with an arrow to an oil hole and also marked "Pat Pending", which makes me wonder about them. Anything similar with more info on them? Otherwise there's nothing special that I notice.

 

[Outlawmws]

So I'm guessing someone patented (or tried to) the oil hole at the pivot screw?

 

[Beerhippie]

So I'm guessing someone patented (or tried to) the oil hole at the pivot screw?

A solution looking for a problem....

 

[kwigly]

Couple of scissors from an auction toolbox last Saturday. Long pointy pair by "Premium" (7-1/2" blades, need some work), and a short fat-lip pair by "Roberts, Soligen" (good)

 

[Outlawmws]

Nic finds, the Robers are for trimming carpel nap - for at the seams and such.

 

[ctuai]

Just picked up these Heimerdinger's out of Louisville, KY. Interwebs says they're mane shears. Kind of makes sense.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Found this at the bottom of a bin at the flea yesterday. Technically, not a tool so much as a kitchen implement, and not a shear (n.), but it does shear (v.) metal, especially tin. As I was saying on the 13th Annual GS thread, I was kind of hoping it was a seam ripper, which might've been more appropriate. Given your apparent interest in them from another thread...

I could be completely off the mark on the Schofield can opener - there's another one that' similar that has a "thing" sticking up out of the "top jaw" (for lack of a better way to express it.) A "top down" view would help, perhaps.

Schofield / Albert B. Schofield, New York, NY / can opener, ice tool / patent 421197 Feb 11 1890 & 441333 Nov 25 1890 Albert B. Schofield / * manufacturer unknown * sold as the "Delmonico", "Peerless", and private-labeled "Diamond Edge", "Rev-O-Noc", & ? /

...I feel confident you'll be okay with me sticking it here.

 

[Beerhippie]

That's a can opener from when men were men and cans were cans!

 

[Fred Knox]

Here are three of my more decorative shears:

1) 8” bypass shears with a great knurled pattern on the handles, with a “P” and a “L” on the ends of the pattern. I can’t make out the marking, just below the rivet. Any help appreciated.

2) H&S (Hacomer Solingen?) 6” locking pruning shears. There are nine stars on the front and back sides.

3) Effinger (August) & Clutz (Josiah) of Canton Ohio 10” shears, with a patent date of Dec.4.1894. I see two other patents that they did together in 1897 and 1889 on DATAMP but cannot find this one.

 

[four.cycle]

DATM (Nelson 1999) lists an H. & J. W. King as working in New York in 1856, making bits, braces, drawknives, and planes. No other information is available on a King as a maker of coopers' tools.
(https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/11612474/maritime-iv-the-davistown-museum#)

H & J.W. King snips currently listed on ebay

King / King, H. & J.W. King, New York, New York / cooper's tools, shears, planes /

It looks like there may have been some connection to Witte Hardware, which is a bit confusing, because the "Witte Hardware" I have archived was in St. Louis, not New York.

Still digging....

 

[JMP]

A few of mine I recently acquired. The Wiss shears on the right have a strange curve which I've never seen before...

 

[four.cycle]

Effinger & Clutz / Effinger & Clutz, Canton, OH / patent 530221 Dec 4 1894 August Effinger and William H. Metzger & 592766 Nov 2 1897 August Efffinger and Josiah Clutz /

On the secateurs, I'm not sure I can even make a guess. I own a pair of those that are almost an exact match, but mine don't have the stars stamped on them (or the H&S curiously stamped on the blade.)

August Effinger was a gun maker in the Canton area ca. 1880-1898

 

[Provincial]

DATM (Nelson 1999) lists an H. & J. W. King as working in New York in 1856, making bits, braces, drawknives, and planes. No other information is available on a King as a maker of coopers' tools.
(https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/11612474/maritime-iv-the-davistown-museum#)

H & J.W. King snips currently listed on ebay

King / King, H. & J.W. King, New York, New York / cooper's tools, shears, planes /

It looks like there may have been some connection to Witte Hardware, which is a bit confusing, because the "Witte Hardware" I have archived was in St. Louis, not New York.

Still digging....

That Witte Hardware postcard isn't 1867, as the shotgun is a breechloader. I think it would be in the 1870's at the earliest. The stamp may provide more date information.

 

[RTM]

e) Effinger (August) & Clutz (Josiah) of Canton Ohio 10” shears, with a patent date of Dec.4.1894. I see two other patents that they did together in 1897 and 1889 on DATAMP but cannot find this one

Try this patent, maybe send pix to DATAMP steward.

US530221A - Pruning-shears - Google Patents

patents.google.com

Found it here.

1894 - Patents Sitemap

 

[four.cycle]

That Witte Hardware postcard isn't 1867, as the shotgun is a breechloader. I think it would be in the 1870's at the earliest. The stamp may provide more date information.

^ That would not be the first time I've harvested some image off the web that had the wrong date on it. It's an all-too-common problem.

from the web: "The Bureau of Engraving and Printing began printing 2 cent George Washington stamps in 1894. The stamps featured triangles in the upper corners, which were added to modified designs from the American Bank Note Company. "

I can only make out what appears to be June 15 (or 16?) on the postmark.

==========

@RTM - not sure where, but I found it since I posted that above. Getting a bit dingy here with this batch today.

Effinger & Clutz / Effinger & Clutz, Canton, OH / patent 530221 Dec 4 1894 August Effinger and William H. Metzger & 592766 Nov 2 1897 August Efffinger and Josiah Clutz /

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Here is a shear, of sorts, found at the flea market this morning. It's a 16-guage hammer-type sheet metal cutter, c. 1946-1952.



Schild Cutter No. 10, to be precise, made by Schild Mfg. Co, Milwaukee, Wis. Please excuse the fugliness. It was encrusted with box rot, and the mushroomed anvil also needs some work, but too intriguing to leave behind.

I was surprised to discover there's only one other example on GJ - by name, anyway, found and posted on the 2017 Garage Sale thread by @BlueBomber.

There are quite a few on the interwebz (WorthPoint, old eBay sales, etc), almost all of them with a "Pine City, Minn." marking, one of if not their last stop on the manufacturers' relocation tour, at least as early as 1969.

They started in Milwaukee, and that's where the name was copyrighted, in 1946.



And they were still located in Milwaukee in 1952.



By 1960, they were in Beaver Dam, Wis., and the ads from that generation of production, still using the "all-purpose metal cutter" language from the copyright application, provides the best views of its marketing and use, which I painstakingly pieced together from snippet-only views of a Snips magazine ad on Google Books.



I have not found the patent implied by the "PATENT PENDING" marking, but I suspect it may have something to do with the allusion to the Williamson Company referenced on the copyright document.

In addition to the marketing for sheet metal, HVAC, auto body, and building maintenance trades, I found a lot of ads and references to this tool being used by firemen and other emergency response squads in bad car accidents to gain access through roofs as a crude predecessor, I suppose, to power cutters.

 

[four.cycle]

"Schild" is already in the list

Schild / Schild autobody metal cutter see Williamson Co. /
and
Williamson / Williamson Co., 424 E. Wells St. Milwaukee, WI / "Schild" autobody metal cutting tool /

 

[Private Lugnutz]

"Schild" is already in the list

Cool. Must've missed it. Looks like you had no more luck than me finding the patent. Still not sure of the early relationship between and the transition from Williamson Co. to Schild Mfg. Co.

 

[four.cycle]

^ Not a clue!

 

[hotwax007]

Can't find any info on these, I did see some talk about Pexto making these for Worth Tool?

 

[four.cycle]

Worth / Bigelow & Dowse, 229 Franklin St., Boston, MA / manufactured by Peck, Stow & Wilcox / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6375720 / http://fishinghistory.blogspot.com/2011/08/52-for-52-bigelow-dowse-of-boston.html /

LIST is HERE

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That Worth is a Pexto TM. I think pruning shears with that scissor-spring are called California pattern. Don't quote me on that, though. There are a bunch of period Pexto catalogs on Internet Archive International Tool Catalog Library.

 

[Jgaz]

I bought this pair from the Mac tool man in the late 70’s.
Not sure who made them for Mac but they have served me well.