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Provincial

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I picked up a couple of Ford brake adjusting wrenches Sunday. Based on Private Lugnutz's saying "One of anything is just one, two is a pair, but three is a collection." I now have a collection! Since there was an in-depth discussion of these wrenches on a KRW thread, I thought that we should have a dedicated thread on these, since there are multiple designs and applications.

First, a little background. Starting with the Model A in 1928, Ford used four-wheel mechanical, internal-expanding, drum brakes. These were adjusted by screwing a wedge in and out that moved the anchor points of the shoes. This wedge had a square shank for the adjusting wrench. Ford used this system until the 1939 model year, when it adopted hydraulic brakes. Cars had a 7/16" square, and the trucks had a 1/2" square.

The original tool for adjusting the brakes was the tire iron that came with each Model A (and Model AA truck) as part of the tool kit. It had a square hole punched in the handle end. Sometimes, the adjuster was difficult to turn, and tool companies were quick to offer wrenches with more length, giving more leverage.

Here is a photo of an original Model A tire iron, along with a Truth wrench for comparison. The Truth tool has 8-point drives for both size adjusters. All the aftermarket Ford brake tools I have seen combine these two sizes.

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Note that these wrenches were flat, or had small angles for clearance. The skinny tires on the Model A made access pretty easy.

With the introduction of the Flathead V-8 in 1932, Ford began including tires that were both wider and smaller in diameter. Pretty soon, the brake adjusting wrenches needed an offset to clear the wheel/tire. No doubt, suspension parts made access more difficult, too.

Here is a photo of the progression of these offsets, with later Cornwell and MAC tools for example.
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Here is a photo showing the difference in offsets of the two later wrenches. Also note the difference in length. I have positioned them so the opening sizes match. It appears that there was no common pattern for these.
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Here is a photo of the two from a different angle.
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And from the flip side.
Ford Brake Wrenches 3.jpg

Everyone please chime in with your photos and comments!
 
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Provincial - interesting choice of topic! :thumbup:
This is not a genre of tool I collect, but I do see them quite frequently on ebay.
Indestro and Herbrand must have cranked out thousands of them.
 

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Cornwell for V8, Herbrand for earlier. Actually the size was 15/32”, not 7/16”, and the oldest wrenches reflected that.
"actually the size".....the size of what? I could see making a 15/32 wrench to slip over a marred 7/16 (14/32) square adjustment shank but the way your sentence is written... "oldest wrenches "reflected" that." It sounds like you're saying the adjustment piece itself was 15/32?
 
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Great posts fellas!

I measured my wrenches for the 7/16" end. The results are as follows:
7/16" .4375
Ford Tire Iron .459
Truth (Model A & B) .440
Cornwell (early V-8) .445
MAC (later V-8) .445
15/32" .4688
Notes:
The tire iron hole is punched, which is a less precise procedure. It is also square, so it can be very sloppy and still do the job. It is still only halfway to 15/32".

The other wrenches are 8-point, so they have much less contact area. There seems to be some wear on all of them, so they are "wallowed out" to some extent. I measured at the point with the least wear, which happened to be where the tip of the square would ride. This implies that the square of the adjuster was undersize, from wear, corrosion, or manufacturing tolerances.

I'm looking forward to seeing KRW and other vendors products being reported.
 

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My two bonney examples, a cv and a bonaloy, recently posted in bonney thread as well. 20210912_225727.jpg
 

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Ok: I was looking on eBay tonight and there is a Snap-On 9002 socket for Ford brakes, size 15/32”. There is also a Blue Point S9078A brake wrench with the 15/32” size. I went on the Collecting Snap-On site and it erroneously lists the S9078 and S9078A as being sized 15/32” and 7/16”. The 7/16” should be 1/2”. The catalogs themselves list the S9078 in 1932 and the 9078A in 1933-1941. The socket is listed in 1929 and up. The difference between the 9078 and the 9078A is that the A is eight point, the other four point. Snap-On used two versions of the A, one with 15/32” opening and one with 7/16”. Snap-On was rather late to the game, as the model A ran from 1928 to 1932. I didn’t check to see when they changed from 15/32” to 7/16”. But my memory is vindicated and reputation secure!
Hi, I wasn't questioning whether or not you had seen a 15/32 Ford brake wrench / tool. When you said "actually it's 15/32" using the word "actually" made it sound like you were correcting the original post or at least correcting some misconception and seeing as how 7/16 was stamped on the wrenches that had, at that point, pictures posted on this thread, it seemed like a decent topic for an investigation / explanation. This is probably a common knowledge thing on one of those old Ford sites but not to me. Were the 7/16 size ones too tight a fit? Did the size of the adjuster change? which seems unlikely as Snap on was, as you already pointed out making a specialty Ford brake socket in 15/32 by 1929. Was the wrench size enlarged for marred adjusters/ if so why not the same 1/32 add-on to the 1/2" truck size to 17/32. Something else? Do we have other company examples of 15/32 brake wrenches?
 

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Cars had a 7/16" square, and the trucks had a 1/2" square.
Actually the size was 15/32”, not 7/16”, and the oldest wrenches reflected that.
Snap-On was rather late to the game, as the model A ran from 1928 to 1932. I didn’t check to see when they changed from 15/32” to 7/16”. But my memory is vindicated and reputation secure!
The issue as it relates to the integrity of the information on the thread is that your comments correcting Provincial about the size of Ford Model A/AA brake adjuster wrenches as 15/32" (rather than 7/16") and the "oldest" brake wrenches reflecting that were not confined to Snap-on. The implication of your comment, as MR. X first seized on, and just followed up on again, was that ALL early Ford A/A brake wrenches were 15/32". Since Snap-on didn't even introduce a special wrench for Ford A/AA brakes until 1932, which is, as you say, "rather late to the game," they clearly don't represent the oldest Ford Model A/AA brake adjusting wrenches across the industry. Your recollection was very precise, but it seems to have been based solely on Snap-on, because I couldn't find any other major mfgr making and advertising them with a milled opening of 15/32". It's not often that Snap-on lets one down in terms of extrapolating their offerings to industry, but in this case, they do. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that Snap-on may have tried to compensate for their lateness with too cuteness, as MR. X suggested and then Jock reiterated.

Snap-On might have done that to accommodate rounded-over squares on abused brake adjusters.
Jock,

Interesting thread. I will pull out my examples later, but running down RJ's contention sent me currying curiously through catalogs.

Funny how it's Plomb who winds up being perhaps most instructive to us on this topic.

In 1928, they got caught amidships, so to speak, releasing a catalog (P) in the same year that Ford was releasing the Model A. Their approach was clever. On page 17 they devoted a whole page to Model T special tools (See Pic 1). They had no special Model A tools to offer yet, but on page 18, they dedicated a page to correlating existing wrenches that corresponded to the major fasteners on a Model A. For the brakes, their recommendation to mechanics was their "DR8" (10-inch ratchet) with a "D7S" (7/16" socket with a 4-point opening)(See Pics 2 & 3).

Sometime between 1928 and 1930, they introduced a special Ford brake wrench with part No. F2. In 1931, they changed the part to No. 6502. It was a 7/16" x 1/2" wrench with 8-point openings. (See Pic 4)
 

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In 1931 Williams offered a 7/16" x 1/2" wrench with 4-point openings in their universal brake kit (see Pics 1 & 2). See Pic 3 for the 1932 oddball Snap-on offering.
 

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Here are a pair of Orwellian Williams Superrenches I have. Both Chro-Molys. One is a No. 1984 (4-point), as advertised in the 1931 catalog, the other is a No. 1984X (8-point), which shows up in the 1939 catalog.

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It's hard to get the purpose of this one wrong! :)

Although not branded, it's a Duro for sure. I've posted it and a catalog excerpt before in the Duro thread. I'll have to go find the excerpt. Robust rings on the box and a hexagonal shank.

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Both of the examples I have, Herbrand and Cornwell, have the 7/16” openings. My obviously incorrect assumption was that, since I had seen the 15/32” opening, that it must have been outside my experience and probably older, since all of my experiences dating as far back as 1925 were not with the 15/32. I have learned a lot since this thread was opened. It is still, if not even more so, a puzzle why Snap-On would have a size so far off. I’ve never known a manufacturer to make a wrench to fit an altered fastener. But that is just my ignorance. I’ve got a lot of that. Also, I would never pretend to correct anyone else. That was not my intention. I only meant to bring up that I had seen the wrench, and let my assumptions proceed from there. You guys do far more and better research than do I, and I always appreciate it.
Hey, I'm glad you brought up the Snap On thing.
 

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It's hard to get the purpose of this one wrong! :)

Although not branded, it's a Duro for sure. I've posted it and a catalog excerpt before in the Duro thread. I'll have to go find the excerpt. Robust rings on the box and a hexagonal shank.

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Nothing subtle about that one!
 

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Top to bottom by length, 1/2” on RHS

Herbrand No2333V , seems to be identical to Mac and Chrome-X

Unknown 2332 must take the cake for weight and oversized rings.

#267 Ford Brakes as posted by Lugz

Hinsdale 1416F

Lectrolite #6000 or #8000 also marked Ford Brakes

Gray #2357D Chrome Vanadium , the small end has extra offset added showing heat has been used.

Girling 3/8 and 7/16 Saltus style from the UK brake maker.

Bendix stamped flat shorty 3/8 and 7/16, maybe from UK

Interesting that I don’t have any 4 point versions in the solid styles.
 
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The 2332 above looks to possibly be an earlier Herbrand number?

The finish is Japanned or black paint with no dimensions apparent.

This thick wrench may have been broached from a carbon steel blank like Duro 267.

Looking at Alloy Artifacts numbers 2331 and 2333 are shown both allocated to Ford speciality tools with 2332 conspicuous by its absence.
 
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It's hard to get the purpose of this one wrong! :)

Although not branded, it's a Duro for sure. I've posted it and a catalog excerpt before in the Duro thread. I'll have to go find the excerpt. Robust rings on the box and a hexagonal shank.

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This thread has been inactive for several months, however I just picked up one of these wrenches at an estate sale. I'll grab a pic of it this evening.

Thanks for sharing all the info!

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Round 'O' Plomb #6502 that I found a few years ago.
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