pharmerphil
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Found this on one of my many craftsman motors.
Show your "Long C" Craftsman!
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Found this on one of my many craftsman motors.3baygarage
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I think the hammer was a good buy. Cool to see the old label on the handle.
Since this was right next to me, figured why not post it. I figure someone put a short handle on it. Not sure what the # in the box is all about.
Since this was right next to me, figured why not post it. I figure someone put a short handle on it. Not sure what the # in the box is all about.
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Rileysan
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I can't quite read the number. Does it look like it could be the weight (in oz.) of the head?
Rileysan
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The last post is a good segue for me, as it relates to hammers.
This is a recent eBay acquisition. I paid quite a bit for these ($25/hammer, BIN) but I think that is well below market. Either way, they were well worth it to me.
This set of body hammers is interesting because the style is that of those shown in the 1942 catalog, but the 1942 catalog only shows 4 different hammers in that set, and I have 6 hammers.
After the war, the hammers that are depicted in the catalogs have round handles, not the hex sided handles shown here, and some of the pre-war hammers were no longer listed in 1947 - the first year after the war this set was listed.
I have all four pre-war hammers, as shown in the 42 catalog. Two other hammers pictured here were not listed until 1947, but have the pre-war style handles. I don't know what it all means but I'm delighted to have them!
Now to find the rest of the body tools in that set!
Brian
This is a recent eBay acquisition. I paid quite a bit for these ($25/hammer, BIN) but I think that is well below market. Either way, they were well worth it to me.
This set of body hammers is interesting because the style is that of those shown in the 1942 catalog, but the 1942 catalog only shows 4 different hammers in that set, and I have 6 hammers.
After the war, the hammers that are depicted in the catalogs have round handles, not the hex sided handles shown here, and some of the pre-war hammers were no longer listed in 1947 - the first year after the war this set was listed.
I have all four pre-war hammers, as shown in the 42 catalog. Two other hammers pictured here were not listed until 1947, but have the pre-war style handles. I don't know what it all means but I'm delighted to have them!
Now to find the rest of the body tools in that set!
Brian
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Does it look like a replacement through the head? Or did someone just cut it shorter at the ****?
The number...375? 3751? 275? 2751?
Private Lugnutz
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Rileysan:
Wow! Nice acquisition one-fell-swooping those body hammers.
Having gone through a very similar exercise with some Blue-Point body hammers I found a few years ago that seemed to exhibit a few different production eras, also wartime, by the way, I was curious enough to dip into the Craftsman catalogs, initially, just to see if I could follow what you're saying.
For what it's worth to you in your attempt to identify and date your hammers, I am following you about the shape of the handles being hexagonal in 1942 and round in 1947. But, I don't see any type of body hammer in your photos that wasn't offered in 1942. I do see one issue/anomaly.
Let me start with this.
In the 1942 catalog, page 43, a page after your Pic 4, note that the heads of the hammers are all the same: they all have a pronounced square knuckle for the handle, with the various business faces/tips (bumping, pecking, etc) ends forged on the ends of steel necks flaring out much thinner than that from there.
I don't have the 1947 catalog, but your Pic 5 looks identical to page 13 in the 1948 catalog. Note that there is no pronounced square knuckle. They all have that more curvaceous head with the eye for the handle simply bored in the middle.
All of your hammer heads have the 1942 or earlier style shape - except one: the light bumping hammer, 4th down from the top in Pic 1. But, I don't think that makes it postwar.
Here's where the anomaly (or what appears to be an anomaly to me) comes in. That light bumping hammer is shown on page 43, item (D), 4550, with a pronounced square eye knuckle. But, it is shown on page 42, in the mixed set, without being identified by name and part number unfortunately, with a more curvaceous head like all the postwar hammers.
Now go back and look at the 1941 catalog. The fender and body set on page 42 is only 11-pc (as opposed to 14-pc in 1942) and the figure is not showing a light bumping hammer. The light bumping hammer on page 43 has a pronounced square eye knuckle, just like it does in 1942.
Maybe, just maybe, they started updating the shape/style of their body hammer heads in 1942, and, by 1947, all the heads were rounded, as well as the handles. They used the same page 43 from the 1941 catalog in the 1942 catalog, but when they had to create a different figure for the larger mixed set on page 42, they rendered it with the newer style head. Again, it's the only head that looks like that (no square eye knuckle) on any body hammer on page 42 or page 43 in the 1942 catalog.
FWIW, I think what you have (using Pic 1, top down), all 1942 (or, at least pre-1947) is:
4580 Pecking Hammer (7 oz)
4556 Moulding Hammer
4552 Ding Hammer
4550 Light Bumping Hammer (10 oz)
4557 Pecking Hammer (15 oz)
4551 General Purpose Bumping Hammer (14 oz)
I could be wrong. Just trying to help. Again, terrific acquisition.
Wow! Nice acquisition one-fell-swooping those body hammers.
Having gone through a very similar exercise with some Blue-Point body hammers I found a few years ago that seemed to exhibit a few different production eras, also wartime, by the way, I was curious enough to dip into the Craftsman catalogs, initially, just to see if I could follow what you're saying.
For what it's worth to you in your attempt to identify and date your hammers, I am following you about the shape of the handles being hexagonal in 1942 and round in 1947. But, I don't see any type of body hammer in your photos that wasn't offered in 1942. I do see one issue/anomaly.
Let me start with this.
In the 1942 catalog, page 43, a page after your Pic 4, note that the heads of the hammers are all the same: they all have a pronounced square knuckle for the handle, with the various business faces/tips (bumping, pecking, etc) ends forged on the ends of steel necks flaring out much thinner than that from there.
I don't have the 1947 catalog, but your Pic 5 looks identical to page 13 in the 1948 catalog. Note that there is no pronounced square knuckle. They all have that more curvaceous head with the eye for the handle simply bored in the middle.
All of your hammer heads have the 1942 or earlier style shape - except one: the light bumping hammer, 4th down from the top in Pic 1. But, I don't think that makes it postwar.
Here's where the anomaly (or what appears to be an anomaly to me) comes in. That light bumping hammer is shown on page 43, item (D), 4550, with a pronounced square eye knuckle. But, it is shown on page 42, in the mixed set, without being identified by name and part number unfortunately, with a more curvaceous head like all the postwar hammers.
Now go back and look at the 1941 catalog. The fender and body set on page 42 is only 11-pc (as opposed to 14-pc in 1942) and the figure is not showing a light bumping hammer. The light bumping hammer on page 43 has a pronounced square eye knuckle, just like it does in 1942.
Maybe, just maybe, they started updating the shape/style of their body hammer heads in 1942, and, by 1947, all the heads were rounded, as well as the handles. They used the same page 43 from the 1941 catalog in the 1942 catalog, but when they had to create a different figure for the larger mixed set on page 42, they rendered it with the newer style head. Again, it's the only head that looks like that (no square eye knuckle) on any body hammer on page 42 or page 43 in the 1942 catalog.
FWIW, I think what you have (using Pic 1, top down), all 1942 (or, at least pre-1947) is:
4580 Pecking Hammer (7 oz)
4556 Moulding Hammer
4552 Ding Hammer
4550 Light Bumping Hammer (10 oz)
4557 Pecking Hammer (15 oz)
4551 General Purpose Bumping Hammer (14 oz)
I could be wrong. Just trying to help. Again, terrific acquisition.
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3baygarage
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Neat set.
Probably an owner mark. It does look like 3751. Maybe the last 4 of a social. The handle’s a short replacement, not an exact fit and not cut off.
Probably an owner mark. It does look like 3751. Maybe the last 4 of a social. The handle’s a short replacement, not an exact fit and not cut off.
Smokeshow69
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Anyone know who the one was for these hammers? I want to say fairmount or Martin but that is a guess
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Not sure but think it was one of the 2 mentioned but that is a good identifier!
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Smokeshow69
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I believe the bp’s are vlcheck made??? But I think you are correct on the claw hammers
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Private Lugnutz
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We could be talking about two different hammers. The finishing hammer is tiny (5 ozs) and has a square face and a round face. The third hammer down from the top is the one I think is the dinger.
Yes, they are.
Private Lugnutz
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Could be. I thought it was a light bumping hammer (4550), but they are very similar. Rileysan weighing them would help distinguish those two possibilities. EDIT: Disregard. I concur with you. In comparing it dimensionally to the heads near it and what they weigh, it's not big enough to be the light bumping hammer.
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Smokeshow69
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I know it starts with a "V"!
I see what you did there and I like it![emoji23]
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Rileysan
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No vendor codes present!
I'm a little embarrassed I didn't continue on to the next page of the 42 catalog. I clearly missed the obvious! Thanks for the correction.
Brian
Rileysan
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I took some time to photograph each hammer independently. I also dug out a few post-war (heritage) hammers to use as a comparison.
First up is a 4557 Picking hammer. Head length is 8-1/4" long, a round face diameter of 1-7/8", and a pecking length of 5"
Second up is the 4580 Picking hammer. Head length is 5-1/2" long, a round face diameter of 1-3/8", and pecking length of 3"
Brian
First up is a 4557 Picking hammer. Head length is 8-1/4" long, a round face diameter of 1-7/8", and a pecking length of 5"
Second up is the 4580 Picking hammer. Head length is 5-1/2" long, a round face diameter of 1-3/8", and pecking length of 3"
Brian
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Rileysan
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The next hammer in line is the 4556 Moulding hammer.
Next in line is the 4554 Finishing hammer, which I measured carefully so as to not confuse it with the Bumping hammers.
Last hammer on this post is a 4550 Bumping hammer.
Brian
Next in line is the 4554 Finishing hammer, which I measured carefully so as to not confuse it with the Bumping hammers.
Last hammer on this post is a 4550 Bumping hammer.
Brian
Rileysan
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Final hammer from the 1942 catalog is a 4552 Ding hammer.
Just for fun, I took a photo of 4 different post war hammers - 3, of which, and heritage era hammers. The are clearly different manufacturers and also do not have any maker's marks.
Pictured are: 4550 Light Bumping hammer; 4551 General purpose Bumping hammer; 4552 Cross Pein hammer; and a 4556 Combination Pick & Finishing hammer.
Also note the photo of the bottom of the hammer handles: Craftsman put the model number on them, which makes it much easier to identify them!
I put together the picking hammers from both eras so you can see the differences together. Aside from the shape, the overall sizes and weights are very different!
Brian
Just for fun, I took a photo of 4 different post war hammers - 3, of which, and heritage era hammers. The are clearly different manufacturers and also do not have any maker's marks.
Pictured are: 4550 Light Bumping hammer; 4551 General purpose Bumping hammer; 4552 Cross Pein hammer; and a 4556 Combination Pick & Finishing hammer.
Also note the photo of the bottom of the hammer handles: Craftsman put the model number on them, which makes it much easier to identify them!
I put together the picking hammers from both eras so you can see the differences together. Aside from the shape, the overall sizes and weights are very different!
Brian
Rileysan
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One final hammer that I have not yet posted. This, too, was an eBay find. It was not advertised but was rather a part of a lot of used hammers I bought for $10. Model 3820 7 oz Riveting hammer.
Brian
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Tbucit
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Have gotten back to reading this site after a while. It was always very good just not in my sights for a while. I have been trying to collect Craftsman "BE" tools for a while now. This is a few of what I have' the first is a pretty good set of the amber tools and the other pic is extras I have added.
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Holy cow!!! That's a beautiful set you have collected, I'm very jealous.
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Smokeshow69
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That is a fantastic set and extremely hard to come by. Very nice work!
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Nice set tbucit!
JoCoSawdust
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Incredible amber line up and you even have the proper box!!!
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Thanks to fellow GJ members Don and Roy (thank you!) I was able to complete the 100pc Master Socket Set from 1939. This would be the first year of a Craftsman branded top chest and the first year they offered a comprehensive tool set which would be a staple of Sears marketing for decades to come. If the catalogs are correct, they offered the 100 pc set in 39 and 40. In 1941 the 3/4d items were dropped from this set. All of the holes are filled now, I'll keep looking for items to swap out some of the pieces that are in lesser quality condition. This has been fun putting together.
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Looking good! Great job.
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Nice! Bm or circle k on the 3/4 drive?
Private Lugnutz
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Congrats, JoCo. That is a difficult, worthy, and notable achievement.
JoCoSawdust
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Thanks gents. OTG, Circle K on the 3/4d stuff. I have to admit to cheating a bit on those as a few of the 3/4d stuff has later logo on it. They're keeping the places warm until I can find the proper Long C logo.
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Just curious as I have been told they were sold simultaneously, so either may be correct?
JoCoSawdust
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Not sure OTG. I'd actually like to put together a BM set for this box so the Circle K pieces can join some other stuff I have for a larger 3/4d set. Might take a while but I'll get there. I don't run across it much in my haunts.
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That's great outlaw. Just gotta look for the box!