Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[Private Lugnutz]

I'm printing on white. Thanks for the compliment, but I didn't really ask for that reason. I was just giving you a potential idea, because "working on" sounded as if you were still thinking about it or planning or experimenting with techniques. You are actually well beyond my crude methods, which are not meant to look factory new, but used, faded, torn and worn, like the decals I am trying to reproduce. That intended result hides the lack of vividness in the printing and all other imperfections of the process (frayed edges, etc), but would clearly not be sufficient for a factory-like decal.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Since I'm into my drill press picture file anyhow, here's a couple of recent additions to my pre-war drill press obsession. The drill press wing of my shop is under construction.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

I'm printing on white. Thanks for the compliment, but I didn't really ask for that reason. I was just giving you a potential idea, because "working on" sounded as if you were still thinking about it or planning or experimenting with techniques. You are actually well beyond my crude methods, which are not meant to look factory new, but used, faded, torn and worn, like the decals I am trying to reproduce. That intended result hides the lack of vividness in the printing and all other imperfections of the process (frayed edges, etc), but would clearly not be sufficient for a factory-like decal.

That might be the direction I take with these decals for the small tool cases like the 1/4" set Lugz. The edges wouldn't have to be perfect if I were to distress the paint as you've done on several of your pieces.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Since I'm into my drill press picture file anyhow, here's a couple of recent additions to my pre-war drill press obsession. The drill press wing of my shop is under construction.

Signs you have a problem- you have a drill press wing on your shop... sign I hate you because you have a lot of good machines- I comment on your drill press wing[emoji23] I live that alien head drill press even in it’s unrestored state! Keep up this research on these decals... I think a ton of collectors would buy them


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[Smokeshow69]

Next it was time for paint. I used less paint than normal since I didn’t want the wrinkle finish exaggerated. I ordered some decals from Jimenginedecals for the small emblem. Now to find some dark blue paint for the top coat.

-Don

Don I forgot to ask if you cured this paint in the oven per the recommendation on the can or did you just air cure it?


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[d42jeep]

Smoke, I just left it in the 80 degree plus sun for a couple of days. I didn’t let it dry long enough initially and had to remove it on the top of the Plomb box and repaint it. The thinner coats on the Craftsman box seemed to dry more quickly than the thicker coats on the Plomb box, not too surprisingly. I received another partial long C 1/4” drive set today and will be doing some more experimentation with the wrinkle paint. I want to see it I can manage to save the decal. The last two pictures are of the larger box fully dry.
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

Smoke, I just left it in the 80 degree plus sun for a couple of days. I didn’t let it dry long enough initially and had to remove it on the top of the Plomb box and repaint it. The thinner coats on the Craftsman box seemed to dry more quickly than the thicker coats on the Plomb box, not too surprisingly. I received another partial long C 1/4” drive set today and will be doing some more experimentation with the wrinkle paint. I want to see it I can manage to save the decal. The last two pictures are of the larger box fully dry.

-Don

The thin coats are definitely key to the wrinkle finish. I layered on some thicker coats on the sides of my plomb tool tote and the wrinkle isn’t where I would like it to be


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[d42jeep]

I carefully masked off the decal and sprayed the interior of my new small BE box. I gave a mist first coat and a slightly heavier coat 5 minutes later. Here are before and after shots. Tomorrow the exterior.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That worked well. I'm confused about the exterior though. What is the exterior in pics 3 & 4 in post #2206?

 

[d42jeep]

That worked well. I'm confused about the exterior though. What is the exterior in pics 3 & 4 in post #2206?

Those were the exterior shots of the larger box that JoCo sent me after it had fully dried. I had posted the preliminary pictures upthread in post 2190.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

The exterior of the small BE box now has wrinkles.
-Don

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That one wrinkled up nice

 

[Smokeshow69]

The exterior of the small BE box now has wrinkles.

-Don

How close to the box did you hold the can? My recently sprayed project didn’t wrinkle like I had hoped


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[d42jeep]

Probably 8 to 10”. I waited until the sun was out and the coat was fairly thick since I only planned on doing one. It seems to wrinkle better when it’s sitting in the warm sun.
-Don

 

[Old Radar]

Really nice work, Don!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

I carefully masked off the decal and sprayed the interior of my new small BE box. I gave a mist first coat and a slightly heavier coat 5 minutes later. Here are before and after shots. Tomorrow the exterior.
-Don

Great job saving the original decal!

 

[d42jeep]

Thanks, guys.
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

Probably 8 to 10”. I waited until the sun was out and the coat was fairly thick since I only planned on doing one. It seems to wrinkle better when it’s sitting in the warm sun.

-Don

Ok, good to know. I did some lighter coats and I think I should have done less and thicker coats


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[Mintgrun]

I made some auxiliary gauge pods recently and used VHT Wrinkle Plus paint. The instructions on the can say to put on three heavy coats five minutes apart. I had some thin areas the first time and those places stayed shiny black , without wrinkling.



I used a razor blade to shave the paint off, so I wouldn't need to use much paint stripper.



Then I wiped the stripper residue off with mineral spirits, sanded them and wiped with mineral spirits again, before spraying them for the second time.



I made little stands for the pods, so I could get easier access while spraying them and they came out much better that time.





The wrinkles are pretty thick, but fine for this application. I like the look of a finer wrinkle also. The main thing is to get the paint on evenly.

I also baked them in the oven for an hour at 200 degrees. ( according to the instructions on the can ). The paint was still soft after 48 hours, but the baking hardened it nicely. This photo shows the little aluminum stands I made to support them while baking.



It did stink up the house a bit, but the cookies I made the following day tasted just fine. (Peanut butter, oatmeal, chocolate chip, raisin, walnut cookies).

So, not a tool box, but it sort of ties into this discussion... so, I thought I'd share.

Tom

 

[Smokeshow69]

I made some auxiliary gauge pods recently and used VHT Wrinkle Plus paint. The instructions on the can say to put on three heavy coats five minutes apart. I had some thin areas the first time and those places stayed shiny black , without wrinkling.



The wrinkles are pretty thick, but fine for this application. I like the look of a finer wrinkle also. The main thing is to get the paint on evenly.



I also baked them in the oven It did stink up the house a bit, but the cookies I made the following day tasted just fine. (Peanut butter, oatmeal, chocolate chip, raisin, walnut cookies).



So, not a tool box, but it sort of ties into this discussion... so, I thought I'd share.



Tom

What a great write up! I think the area that I went wrong was that I put on thinner coats not thicker ones. Thanks for sharing. I am confident I will have better luck next time with other boxes i restore now that I have seen this write up


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[JoCoSawdust]

Nice work Mintgrun

 

[d42jeep]

I bought several cans of dark blue paint to use as a topcoat on the larger 1/4” drive BE box that I received from JoCo. Fortunately, the paint I picked dried much darker than it went on. The final color is hard to see in pictures even when using the flash. Now I just need to install the decal.
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

I bought several cans of dark blue paint to use as a topcoat on the larger 1/4” drive BE box that I received from JoCo. Fortunately, the paint I picked dried much darker than it went on. The final color is hard to see in pictures even when using the flash. Now I just need to install the decal.

-Don

Boy that looks really nice! Thanks for the tip on the paint color match as well


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[JoCoSawdust]

That looks damned near perfect for color Don. That's going to make a great home for that expanded 1/4d set you have!

 

[GalaxyRat]

Here's a drill press shaper fence in my area. I'd be willing to pick it up and ship it if anyone is interested. They are asking $40.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1024389564661902/



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[d42jeep]

I sprayed the interior of the small BE 1/4” drive box today. Hopefully it will end up looking close to this original. The first shot is the wet paint.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

My neighbor gifted me these lineman’s pliers. I wonder if the C code stands for Champion DeArment?
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

My neighbor gifted me these lineman’s pliers. I wonder if the C code stands for Champion DeArment?

-Don

Those are nice! I love the handles and yes, I believe you are correct on the maker


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[outofbounds]

Looking for some insights, and even interest in this wrenches. Trying to do a favor for a guy with whom I did a fair amount of business on for some newer tools, and he wanted me to consider these as well. I told him that I couldn't give him what they are worth, but that I'd float them here for him. Originally, he got five of these DBEs in a metal-ring reinforced cardboard box labeled "Craftsman Jubilee 1886-1936" from an old timer 40 years ago. He is now the old-timer!! He thinks the set should have been 6 pcs, but he only got five, and as of now, he believes the box to be lost for good, and is struggling to locate the other two wrenches he had originally. Any comments as to value on the 3 shown here are appreciated!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

Looking for some insights, and even interest in this wrenches. Trying to do a favor for a guy with whom I did a fair amount of business on for some newer tools, and he wanted me to consider these as well. I told him that I couldn't give him what they are worth, but that I'd float them here for him. Originally, he got five of these DBEs in a metal-ring reinforced cardboard box labeled "Craftsman Jubilee 1886-1936" from an old timer 40 years ago. He is now the old-timer!! He thinks the set should have been 6 pcs, but he only got five, and as of now, he believes the box to be lost for good, and is struggling to locate the other two wrenches he had originally. Any comments as to value on the 3 shown here are appreciated!

If he could locate that box, that would really up the value! I believe there was a bigger wrench and possibly a smaller? Or maybe 2 smaller wrenches? I would say maybe the 3 are worth $30??? I don’t know as much as jocosawdust or rileysan though... rileysan has some dbe’s in the box and they are amazing to look at. Hopefully he will post the eye candy

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[Cruzan80]

At a minimum, I would pay $5 each for them, and I usually wait and grab at low prices (estate sales, yard sales, etc) as opposed to ebay pricing. Biggest deal those have going for them is the condition. Who knows what the top end may be for someone trying to complete set?

Not sure as far as the "set" goes, but I have a 1 1/4<->1 1/16 and a 1/2<->9/16 in CM Vanadium in my box, so that is two of the missing three sizes. Last one may be a 3/8<->7/16?

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[Rileysan]

Looking for some insights, and even interest in this wrenches. Trying to do a favor for a guy with whom I did a fair amount of business on for some newer tools, and he wanted me to consider these as well. I told him that I couldn't give him what they are worth, but that I'd float them here for him. Originally, he got five of these DBEs in a metal-ring reinforced cardboard box labeled "Craftsman Jubilee 1886-1936" from an old timer 40 years ago. He is now the old-timer!! He thinks the set should have been 6 pcs, but he only got five, and as of now, he believes the box to be lost for good, and is struggling to locate the other two wrenches he had originally. Any comments as to value on the 3 shown here are appreciated!

These wrenches are from ca. 1933-1941, are common and are of limited value. eBay sold prices are all over the place and range from $5 to $20 per wrench, depending on condition.

Now this is key: Without the original box, there's no way to establish/verify the provenance - but it really doesn't matter because the value is in the BOX, not the wrenches. Tools, boxes, or packaging stamped or labeled "Craftsman Jubilee" (1936) sell for a very high premium on eBay. Otherwise they're just like every other Craftsman tool sold during that era. Additionally, Craftsman Jubilee tools or, more specifically the packaging, are not well documented as Sears did not include illustrations of what the cardboard boxes looked like or even if a set was sold in one.

The bottom line: No box, no premium. These are simply common pre-war Craftsman DBE wrenches.

Brian

 

[outofbounds]

These wrenches are from ca. 1933-1941, are common and are of limited value. eBay sold prices are all over the place and range from $5 to $20 per wrench, depending on condition.

Now this is key: Without the original box, there's no way to establish/verify the provenance - but it really doesn't matter because the value is in the BOX, not the wrenches. Tools, boxes, or packaging stamped or labeled "Craftsman Jubilee" (1936) sell for a very high premium on eBay. Otherwise they're just like every other Craftsman tool sold during that era. Additionally, Craftsman Jubilee tools or, more specifically the packaging, are not well documented as Sears did not include illustrations of what the cardboard boxes looked like or even if a set was sold in one.

The bottom line: No box, no premium. These are simply common pre-war Craftsman DBE wrenches.

Brian

Brian, many thanks to you, and everyone else for your input on this. I'm sure this fellow will be dejected, but the truth is the truth, and now he'll know it!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Brian, many thanks to you, and everyone else for your input on this. I'm sure this fellow will be dejected, but the truth is the truth, and now he'll know it!

Don’t get us wrong, they are in nice shape but are more common than you would think. If he can find that box, that will really help the cause!


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[JoCoSawdust]

Ditto Smokes and Rileysan's comments. In 36 these were available individually or in a set of 6. In the early 40s they upped the ante with another wrench, taking the max size to 1 1/4 inch. The original packaging would make it a must-have. Anything marked Golden Jubilee is highly desirable.

Those look to be in great condition with no owners marks. If the other side is equally as good, I'd go 8 bucks per wrench plus shipping. Would love to add them to the tool board.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Out of bounds- sell them to jocosawdust! He will give them an excellent home! He made some beautiful replica display boards for them!



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[outofbounds]

Ditto Smokes and Rileysan's comments. In 36 these were available individually or in a set of 6. In the early 40s they upped the ante with another wrench, taking the max size to 1 1/4 inch. The original packaging would make it a must-have. Anything marked Golden Jubilee is highly desirable.

Those look to be in great condition with no owners marks. If the other side is equally as good, I'd go 8 bucks per wrench plus shipping. Would love to add them to the tool board.

Thanks JoCo.

They are about as close to new unused as they come. I will float this at the guy and see how he responds. I know he needs the money. I was just trying to help the guy after spending too much time with him as to why I wasn't offering him retail for his other stuff.

 

[d42jeep]

I finally had the opportunity to unite the BE toolset with the refinished box I’ve been working on. The decal isn’t correct but being vinyl, it will peel right off if a correct water transfer comes along.
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

I finally had the opportunity to unite the BE toolset with the refinished box I’ve been working on. The decal isn’t correct but being vinyl, it will peel right off if a correct water transfer comes along.

-Don

Nice work! That set really came together well


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[JoCoSawdust]

I had a great "Long C" day today. This was a deal that was some time in the making. Another collector somewhat close to me was kind enough to liberate some goods from PA for me. The old grinders never cease to amaze me. As cosmetically challenged as this one is (which will be remedied), it runs like a dream I'm particularly excited about the flex shaft grinder. Had to go back to the 1931 catalog to find it. It was made by Walker Turner and sold without a motor. I may put an older repulsion induction motor on this thing and use the Companion (which the PO put on this) on a DP. The combo wrench set is wartime. Unfortunately, the outside of the clamshell isn't in nearly as good condition as the inside but I'm happy with it.