Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[ooba tooba]

Wow OTG!

 

[ooba tooba]

I finally found this set with a good label in the blue crackle box.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That's a nice one

 

[Outlawmws]

Got a couple of Long C additions Sat. I didn't realize I had an oddball until I started logging them in the inventory:




we all know sizes in 32'nds are usually for older stuff so seeing them in Long C isn't unexpected.

but the tappet has a 17/32 end I didn't have that size as a column for wrenches at all...

In sockets, yes, but very rare and 4 of 5 were Craftsman. the 5th is marked "X" so an orphan, or unmarked brand... But even there, rare with only 5 - 21/32 also only with 5... (Plvmb (X2) , P&C, Duro, and Craftsman...)

Anyone else with a 17/32 in a wrench? (I have NO 21/32 wrenches...)

 

[Oldtuleguy]

17/32=13mm

 

[Outlawmws]

.020 thou difference...

 

[Oldtuleguy]

You got me

 

[3baygarage]

Yes. 17/32 Craftsman tappet. 17/32 by 7/16

 

[Outlawmws]

Yep, Mine also. And oddly, NOT numbered, (1-4...)

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nearly every vintage tappet wrench set I own has a 17/32" end, Outlaw. That includes Bonney, Duro, Plomb, Barcalo, and Vlchek. I think the only set I have that does NOT include a 17/32" end is Herbrand.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I don't want to side-track the thread, but here are some photos for context.

Pic 1 is a brand view of the tappet wrenches I could readily grab with a 17/32" opening.

Pic 2 are all the wrenches, full view, with the 17/32" end to the left. From top to bottom, Barcalo (no model number), Plomb (No. 3431), Vlchek (No. 90A), Duro-Chrome (No. 1), and Craftsman (No. 1).

Pic 3 are the same wrenches showing the 17/32" jaw faces, left to right, Craftsman, Duro, Vlchek, Plomb, and Barcalo.

I remember looking into this before, because, unlike the other /32nds sizes (especially 19/ and 25/), 17/32" is not the diameter of a U.S.S. nut or bolt that had a bigger head than the same size S.A.E. nut or bolt. In wrench charts in catalogs, when a wrench is listed with a 17/32" milled opening (always the tappet section), there is no nut and bolt standard for it. It's just blank or "..." in every standard column. I thought I had tracked down the reason once before, but I can't find my notes. Might have to re-do the research.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Disregard. I found my notes.
Studebaker Erskine, and Willys Six engines apparently had tappet adjusting bolts and check/lock/jamnuts with 17/32" diameter. From a Bonney catalog.

 

[d42jeep]

Nearly every vintage tappet wrench set I own has a 17/32" end, Outlaw. That includes Bonney, Duro, Plomb, Barcalo, and Vlchek. I think the only set I have that does NOT include a 17/32" end is Herbrand.

The bottom pair of tappet wrenches in the first picture are Herbrand 17/32” on one end. I have some in Craftsman as well. See the bottom two pictures. Long C Craftsman No. 1 pair.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The bottom pair of tappet wrenches in the first picture are Herbrand 17/32” on one end.

My set - in its original leatherette pouch, with the fancy script Herbrand logo on the shank, flanked by a VANADIUM TAPPET marking, is older than those examples, Don. That could be the difference. The 1937 catalog, which still shows script logos (generally considered gone by wartime, although some instances persisted), lists 17/32" x 7/16" on the H-1 wrench, but my H-1 is clearly 1/2" x 7/16". The Studebaker Erskine and the Willys Six were both very early 30's automobiles. So it looks like Herbrand moved to 17/32" at some point in the 1930's, perhaps to accommodate those vehicles, as the 1933 Bonney catalog (page 23) suggests. My set may not have even been made for very long. I don't want to further side-track/clog up the Long C thread with other brands, but you can see photos of my set in the Herbrand thread linked here.

EDIT:
Outlaw - I will briefly add that the size was even more prevalent in trucks, including Federal, IH, Sterling, Ward La France and others.

 

[Outlawmws]

I have over 25 tappet wrenches, and nearly 900 wrenches over all, and this is the ONLY wrench @ 17/32.

It is cad plated, so likely wartime, and I can't recall seeing any other Craftsman tappets that weren't numbered for the sets. but I haven't revisited that to confirm.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I have over 25 tappet wrenches,...[ ]...and this is the ONLY wrench @ 17/32.

I have twice that and ~12% of them are 17/32". Our respective collections are anecdotal, though, not statistical. Your one (1) isn't saying they're rare and my 15% could actually be low. As I said, in the mid 1930's, it was a standard size to accommodate either the tappet itself, the locknut, or the adjuster on several vehicles. So it has just as much chance of showing up as any other tappet wrench made in that same era. Having said that, we'd need to see how long it was produced. If it soon became obsolete, while other sizes persisted, that would explain low numbers. I haven't gotten that far yet.

BTW, I am going to launch a "Tappet Wrench" thread soon.

I have...nearly 900 wrenches over all, and this is the ONLY wrench @ 17/32.

It doesn't show up in any other wrench (engineers, obstruction, loom, light duty service "S", etc) as far as I have been able to see, spot checking several catalogs in several decades. It has no ALAM, Am Std, U.S.S. or Cap Nut equivalent. Just tappet.

I can't recall seeing any other Craftsman tappets that weren't numbered for the sets. but I haven't revisited that to confirm.

I have a No. 4 that is not numbered.

 

[Username already in use]

Here’s a few more Craftsman 17/32.





And a Bonney #420

 

[bmwrd0]

I am not a Craftsman guy, long C or any other logo. But, when you come across something you just never see, well, sometimes you have to pick it up. Even when you get crosswise on the price...




So, you might be tempted to think it is nothing other than one of the common belt/disc sanders, often referred to as the 9x48, albeit an early one. Well, you would be half right. See, this one has an 8" disc, and a 4x36 belt, which doesn't tilt up like the more common, later versions. See, this one doesn't have a model number and only shows up, as far as I can see, in the '35 Sears power tools catalog.

So, I spotted this on the bench at a fairly overpriced estate sale, but one that had interesting stuff. It was sitting next to a '30s Craftsman bandsaw that was partially disassembled that they were asking $300 for. As much as I would love one of the snowflake Walker-Turner saws, that was too much money. But, as I was looking at it and thinking, I notice that sitting next to the W/T was this, and it was partially taken apart also. And, thinking it was being lumped in with the other equipment, I asked for a price on it, and the women running the garage portion thought that it had a tag, and it must of fallen off... Well, I immeadatly go "how about $40?" She said OK, and away it went in the back of my truck. Well, I get it home, and that's when I find the price tag.

$15.

Now, I get enough great deals to know that I am going to get the short end of the stick from time to time. But, I really felt the fool for this one. I still think I got a good deal, but throwing away $25 always burns a little.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

15$ is agood deal. That thing is pretty cool. Don't see many that old.

 

[Outlawmws]

Awesome find BMW despite the oops! I have a larger Delta disk sander but wish it were that one with the belt...

 

[four.cycle]

excellent.

This outfit can fix you up with belts:
Econaway - econaway.com - 616 846 2550

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Great find! There's numerous machines pictured in pre-war catalogs that you just don't commonly see on the second hand machine market. This is one of them. My guess would be Walker Turner-made. I'd love to find one of those!

 

[outofbounds]

As a public service I offer this link to a live auction that includes a 1/4 drive Amber Handle Breaker Bar. Apparently there are at least two guys that are aware of it as the bidding has elevated north of $20 with less than 12 hours to go. Auctioneer has reasonable shipping policies, and an OBSCENE 20% buyer's premium. but if you're dying for the tool here is where to find one..... https://michigan.hibid.com/lot/1033...atchet--mannual--and/?apage=2&q=&ref=lot-list

 

[outofbounds]

As a public service I offer this link to a live auction that includes a 1/4 drive Amber Handle Breaker Bar. Apparently there are at least two guys that are aware of it as the bidding has elevated north of $20 with less than 12 hours to go. Auctioneer has reasonable shipping policies, and an OBSCENE 20% buyer's premium. but if you're dying for the tool here is where to find one..... https://michigan.hibid.com/lot/1033...atchet--mannual--and/?apage=2&q=&ref=lot-list

UPDATE: $122.00 + 20% ?? Wow, just wow. Why was I thinking $45-50 would do the job?

 

[ed4banger]

UPDATE: $122.00 + 20% ?? Wow, just wow. Why was I thinking $45-50 would do the job?

Don't forget shipping

 

[Smokeshow69]

I am not a Craftsman guy, long C or any other logo. But, when you come across something you just never see, well, sometimes you have to pick it up. Even when you get crosswise on the price...




So, you might be tempted to think it is nothing other than one of the common belt/disc sanders, often referred to as the 9x48, albeit an early one. Well, you would be half right. See, this one has an 8" disc, and a 4x36 belt, which doesn't tilt up like the more common, later versions. See, this one doesn't have a model number and only shows up, as far as I can see, in the '35 Sears power tools catalog.

So, I spotted this on the bench at a fairly overpriced estate sale, but one that had interesting stuff. It was sitting next to a '30s Craftsman bandsaw that was partially disassembled that they were asking $300 for. As much as I would love one of the snowflake Walker-Turner saws, that was too much money. But, as I was looking at it and thinking, I notice that sitting next to the W/T was this, and it was partially taken apart also. And, thinking it was being lumped in with the other equipment, I asked for a price on it, and the women running the garage portion thought that it had a tag, and it must of fallen off... Well, I immeadatly go "how about $40?" She said OK, and away it went in the back of my truck. Well, I get it home, and that's when I find the price tag.

$15.

Now, I get enough great deals to know that I am going to get the short end of the stick from time to time. But, I really felt the fool for this one. I still think I got a good deal, but throwing away $25 always burns a little.

**Ecellent find BMW! Even at $40 you did well! You are correct, that isn't common at all! ** If you clean it up and get it working, those sanders can make amazing amounts of saw dust really quickly**

UPDATE: $122.00 + 20% ?? Wow, just wow. Why was I thinking $45-50 would do the job?

Amber handle tools always bring a premium based on condition... The 1/4 drive stuff is a little bit harder to find . This price is about on par with what they have been selling for right now.

 

[outofbounds]

Amber handle tools always bring a premium based on condition... The 1/4 drive stuff is a little bit harder to find . This price is about on par with what they have been selling for right now.

Well, unless someone here got involved (i'd be curious to know if my tip prompted an interested party), I'm amazed that otherwise two collectors would have both found this auction, let along go toe-to-toe until water reached it's level.

 

[ed4banger]

Well, unless someone here got involved (i'd be curious to know if my tip prompted an interested party), I'm amazed that otherwise two collectors would have both found this auction, let along go toe-to-toe until water reached it's level.

Yeah, I "got involved", thanks by the way, been looking for one for a while.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

As a public service I offer this link to a live auction that includes a 1/4 drive Amber Handle Breaker Bar.

Wow, just wow.

i'd be curious to know if my tip prompted an interested party

I'm amazed that otherwise two collectors would have both found this auction

Yeah, the auction house was prolly like, 'WTF just happened?!'

 

[WisJim]

I found this 1952 "Long C" table saw booklet as I was putting away books in my shop.

 

[outofbounds]

Yeah, the auction house was prolly like, 'WTF just happened?!'

I have no doubt, based on how that lot was presented. Me thinks the consignor will find that as a happy accident as well.

 

[four.cycle]

This isn't "Long C", but I'm a bit averse to starting new threads unless necessary, so let me toss these out there -
These were my late step-father's. I have no idea who went crazy on the rotary grinder, but despite the vandalism, they're fairly decent knives and they have great handles. Not sure if these are a "collector" thing. (?)
I never use them because my old Case kitchen knives seem to hold an edge better.

 

[Old Radar]

Just picked up this Auger Bit case today at an estate sale.

With the amount of rust on the outside, I am amazed at how well preserved the inside is. Only two of the bits are original and they, too, are in outstanding shape. The three large bits are Irwin and the short one is a Dunlap.

 

[Username already in use]

@Old Radar nice find! I’ve only seen a couple posted on here.
That box is slightly different than mine.

 

[Old Radar]

Yours is probably older. Plus I like the part where you have five original bits!

 

[Provincial]

OR, yours is just like the one I found in July!

 

[Old Radar]

Good looking interior on both yours and UAIU's cases. Since both of yours have nearly all their bits, they must be out there--although I haven't noticed them around here. I'll have to make a point to pay closer attention.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

What do you guys make of this sharpening stone?

I always considered this logo to be early. As in late 1920's or early 1930's, after the oval wavy logo, but before Long C. Here is my reasoning. I have an axe with the same logo as what is on this box - double oval, with those little tabs, but without the stars. See Pic 4. And there are Long C logos where the Long C is inside a double oval with the same little tabs and stars, like this box. See Pic 5.

So I see a progression of...

- oval with wavy CRAFTSMAN
- double oval with tabs and blocky CRAFTSMAN
- double oval with tabs and stars and blocky CRAFTSMAN
- double oval with tabs and stars and Long C CRAFTSMAN

...almost like they transitioned to the Long C, kept the double oval with stars in the tabs, and then later dropped the whole tabbed starred oval thing and just used various Long C logos.

But, the box itself and the stone seems incongruous to late 1920's or 1930's to me.

So what gives? Does anyone know when this logo was used?

 

[Outlawmws]

Lugz, Here are the "pre heritage" logo images I have managed to collect: the thumbnail titles have presumed dates.

 

[Outlawmws]

I also have a boxed Sharpening stone with a similar Artwork, differnt sized stone: