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^ when I was cleaning **** out of the house I put two bit braces out on the curb.

somebody picked them up and took them home.

I have another one here, but I actually discovered a use for it: it holds the countersink bit I found in a junk box. :thumbup:
 
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After a long soak in Vinegar, cleaned up and inventoried the Craftsman Long C sockets from Friday's Sale a mix of BE and Circle H across two drive sizes:


3/8" drive:
11/16" Cir H 12 point short
13/16" 12 point deep New Britain

1/2" drive
short
1" Cir H 12 point
2@1-1/16" BE 12 point
1-1/8" BE 12 point
deep
1/2" BE 12 point
9/16" BE 12 point
15/16" Cir H 12 point
 

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Two recent additions. The top is from a member here with some other Craftsman stuff I got. 5/8x11/16 double box end offset. The next is from a toolbox full of tools I picked up at the pawn shop for $40 it’s the only Craftsman Vanadium one in there and only long C Craftsman. Both have a CI code on them.
 

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WrenchGuy and I were discussing this, and I know we have threads like this for the Heritage and Crown marked tools, which are mostly power tools and boxes, (the tools generally having =V= or -V- markings...) but we were unable to find one for the older "Long C" Craftsman tools.

Background:

Most of the "Long C" marked tools were from the early thirties (about 1933 based on catalog evidence), and mostly ended by the late '40s, but there were still a few so marked going into the early 50s or so.

For this thread, any tools from this era are OK to post. Hfor owever please post Crown and Heritage (red oval) tools in their respective threads.

For the "Long C" markings, the key is the full or partial underline extending from the front "C"; but there were also some markings that omitted the underline, or it was just a tiny half letter width long, but the Letter styling was also distinctive, with an angular font:

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EDIT: I guess for clarification showing some of the variants: No underline just the geometric type font, a short one letter variant on the crescent, the half underline adn the full:

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Note the geometric angles on the C, R, A the S. This is often much more sharply defined than on this example, which was picked to show a "short" Long C...

What started me down this path?

I personally have long collected the Long C tools starting with a 1/2" drive socket set that took me about 30 years to complete, one socket at a time. When I first set them aside I had four total IIR, and simply added as I ran across them at fleas, and yard and estate sales. This was also my very first stab at "collecting" a tool, rather than buying users!

I acquired other Long C's of course, and only after I completed the last socket (The 3/4" seemed to evade me for ages - I finally traded for it here on GJ!), did I find a complete boxed set a couple of years ago with not only the 1/2" set, but 3/8's and all the ratchets and extensions as well (Ratchets also evaded me for YEARS). As many find, you only find them lot AFTER you find that elusive first one!


This is the set today, and has all the sizes from 7/16 to 1-1/16

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I eventually went after the period correct boxes for the tools... And this is the roller of the stack I have (the top is somewhat buried) and a sampling of what is in the three drawers of the roller. I have MANY more Long C tools, but got to leave some for later, (and don't have time to fully photo-document them)

I got the top box with the assistance of a an East coast GJ member, who bought and picked it up for me, then shipped it to me, (Fully paid for by me)

The roller was a local CL buy.

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This box set has all of my early tools Sears sold in it (including Dunlap etc.) but no "Vee" series (that is another carry box..), and here are the contents of the three drawers of the roller, aerial shots:

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There is at least one "None Better" (New Britain) ratchet that is the same as the Long C ratchets, (not surprising as they were the MFG for Sears then)

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That blue box was a find with "junk" in it. I had three of the wrenches:

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I'll post more pics, time permitting.

Feel Free to post your own "long C", or other period correct tools!
WOW, I AM IN AWE!! I first got interested in Vintage tools and Vintage Craftsman ( the latter being my favorite) a little over a year ago after my Little Brother, Best friend and Business Partner passed away. We were close so I was extremely upset and I needed a diversion. One day I was going through his tools, ( We had a Handyman Service) My Father's tools, and mine. I came across a few things that I thought were interesting and obviously Vintage. One of them was a 3/8s breaker bar Craftsman vandium with the complete underline logo and I tried looking it up and ended up joining a few Craftsman tool collectors sites on FB. Anyway I found many, many similar ones but not exactly like mine and nobody until just recently
 

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WOW, I AM IN AWE!! I first got interested in Vintage tools and Vintage Craftsman ( the latter being my favorite) a little over a year ago after my Little Brother, Best friend and Business Partner passed away. We were close so I was extremely upset and I needed a diversion. One day I was going through his tools, ( We had a Handyman Service) My Father's tools, and mine. I came across a few things that I thought were interesting and obviously Vintage. One of them was a 3/8s breaker bar Craftsman vandium with the complete underline logo and I tried looking it up and ended up joining a few Craftsman tool collectors sites on FB. Anyway I found many, many similar ones but not exactly like mine and nobody until just recently
Welcome! I am a moderator/ co founder of this group ! It is focused on vintage craftsman tools and doesn’t allow some of the sales or other irritating things that other craftsman fb groups do so hopefully you will join and enjoy your time there! When you have a moment, post some pics of your tools you were mentioning!
 

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Got an Ebay package today.I needed 1 socket to finish out Long C Set . When I bought it 3 pieces were missing and thanks to the 'bay,estate sales,flea markets I now have them all. The last piece was the Circle H 7/16" -1/4" dr . Thanks to the seller who not only sent the inventory as pictured on Ebay, they also ziptied it in to groups. Much easier sorting.
 

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I recently met up with a local forum member and we did some horse trading. I was able to get this small size Long C water slide logo top chest out of his grips. This is one that Bmwrd0 found a few years back and traded to him. He just put it on a shelf and never cleaned it or did anything with it at all. It still had a rats nest underneath the bottom drawer when I got it. I took it home, vacuumed and degreased it and then put some sweet patina sauce on it. Despite its appearance, it is a remarkably solid box. It would be an easy repaint some day but for now I like it! Sears offered 2 sizes of top chests during this era and this is the smaller of the 2. I am going to fill it up with era correct tools now! I would love to find an era correct roller but those are harder to find ! Heck, even these top chests are not common. Last picture shows what it looked like when I got it. It was absolutely filthy and looked like hell.
 

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Well, if you play your cards right, I found the matching bottom (3 drawer) years ago, and moved it on to that same member.
And that is the only one he has ever had/found 😂. I stand zero chance of ever getting that one unless I find an absolutely mint version 😳. So basically it would have to be a cold day in a hot place before he would even think about it.
 

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Great liberation of a cool piece of history there Ben. I'd say you've got the larger of the two, 2 drawer top chests ( "big" 2 drawer chest is pretty small). The smaller box is actually a carry box in that it has a leather top handle. Pictured here is the smaller box, the last pic is a line up of the smallest chest sitting on the "large" 2 drawer chest sitting on 3d chest sitting on a roller. IMG_3965.jpgIMG_3966.jpgIMG_3968.jpgIMG_3970.jpg
 

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Great liberation of a cool piece of history there Ben. I'd say you've got the larger of the two, 2 drawer top chests ( "big" 2 drawer chest is pretty small). The smaller box is actually a carry box in that it has a leather top handle. Pictured here is the smaller box, the last pic is a line up of the smallest chest sitting on the "large" 2 drawer chest sitting on 3d chest sitting on a roller. IMG_3965.jpgIMG_3966.jpgIMG_3968.jpgIMG_3970.jpg
I agree about it being the biggest, smaller version of the boxes. Funny they thought anyone would be carrying them like a carry box 😳. Don’t let their small size fool you, they are exceptionally well built and I wouldn’t want to attempt to carry one with tools inside. I would love to find the matching roller but as we discussed on the craftsman fb pages,short life span, lack of consumer interest and that little conflict in the 40’s created a short pool of these-even when new. Maybe I will get lucky and find one some day. This is kinda weird but around here, there are more plomb tool mobiles than long c rollers 😯
 

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I agree it wouldn't make a good "carry" box. A large portion of the weight would be placed on the pawl of the lock. I suspect a lot of these boxes failed miserably if fully loaded.
 

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I got out of the house today with my wife and found this 11/16 ci marked combo! Not exactly a beauty queen but no owner marks or grinding so for $3, I was in
 

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I got lucky and found a tray for the C-Series box I found back in Jan. 2020 (post #1421), so I moved the thread cutting stuff (post#1606) into a Dunlap box.

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The tray I found Friday came with a few old tools. ( : thirty-seven of them : )

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Plus, some old CHROME VANADIUM STEEL Craftsman wrenches as an added bonus.

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I haven't washed anything yet. It's still got the original dirt.

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The long DBE wrenches have very faint markings (WBM fixed that on the 7/8" wrench end) and the 1/2 x 9/16 wrench was missing, but I found a Hinsdale place holder in my box of DBEs. (second from the top above)

AA claims this style hinge handle makes it a 1935 set. I haven't seen photos of another tray with dividers like this one.

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There's also a 15" long BE sliding T-handle, which was the only tool he hit with a hammer.

These little Dunlap wrenches were in the midget box.

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Mr. WBM hammered deep initials into his tools, but I'm trying to forgive him. Maybe that's why the set's still complete after nearly ninety years.

Tom
 

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Plus, some old CHROME VANADIUM STEEL Craftsman wrenches as an added bonus.
I'm guessing the previous owner, WB VI, learned how to ruin markings for future generations of collectors to enjoy from WB V, who learned from WB IV, who learned from WB III, etc back to that dang troublemaking Billy the Kid.
 

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Great score Mintgun! I'd say those three Chrome Vanadium Steel offset DBEs are the belle of the ball. Hard to find. I held on to one for a few years hoping to find the other two. Never did so I sent my Lone Ranger out west to complete somebody else's set.
 

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Thank you JoCo. Two of those were found elsewhere in the store, before finding the tray, which had the third.

I picked up this hat a while back, chuckling about it being a dyslexic BMW hat. Now, it makes me think of Billy the kid.

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It's tempting to do some shaping and polishing of the previously-rusty Hinsdale wrench, to make it match the others better.

Maybe I should stamp WBM over the Hinsdale script.

Tom
 

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This is the first Phillips screwdriver I've found in this style. It's got a nice deep logo stamp compared to most of the others I have. Someone plierized the shank, but at least they didn't grab the handle.

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It's only got one patent number stamped on the shank.

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I spent a few hours cleaning the C-series set up, using an ultra-sonic cleaner filled with naphtha, followed by a toothbrush with shortened bristles. I also used a very soft stainless brush to clean up the knurled handles.

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Here are some photos that show the partitions built into the tray.

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I like that there's enough room to have the midget lid open while it's in the tray.

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(The Vlchek and Fairmount wrenches in the background were also initialized WBM, so I bought them when I went back to the store).

I'm guessing the little compartment at the end is meant to hold the plug.

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This tray of tools was sitting inside a new looking Craftsman box in front of the counter, with a $50 price tag. I didn't want the box, so I asked the manager if he'd separate them and he said he thought they should sell together, because they were the same brand. I explained that the tools belonged in the tray, but the tray didn't belong in that box and he asked what I wanted to pay for the tools. I asked him if he thought he could sell the box for twenty dollars and he said yes, so I asked if that meant the tools were worth thirty and he said yes again. Sold! (I'll bet he could have easily gotten thirty bucks for that new box, but whatever). I wasn't haggling. I was just negotiating.

Tom
 

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This is the first Phillips screwdriver I've found in this style. It's got a nice deep logo stamp compared to most of the others I have. Someone plierized the shank, but at least they didn't grab the handle.

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It's only got one patent number stamped on the shank.

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I spent a few hours cleaning the C-series set up, using an ultra-sonic cleaner filled with naphtha, followed by a toothbrush with shortened bristles. I also used a very soft stainless brush to clean up the knurled handles.

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Here are some photos that show the partitions built into the tray.

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I like that there's enough room to have the midget lid open while it's in the tray.

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(The Vlchek and Fairmount wrenches in the background were also initialized WBM, so I bought them when I went back to the store).

I'm guessing the little compartment at the end is meant to hold the plug.

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This tray of tools was sitting inside a new looking Craftsman box in front of the counter, with a $50 price tag. I didn't want the box, so I asked the manager if he'd separate them and he said he thought they should sell together, because they were the same brand. I explained that the tools belonged in the tray, but the tray didn't belong in that box and he asked what I wanted to pay for the tools. I asked him if he thought he could sell the box for twenty dollars and he said yes, so I asked if that meant the tools were worth thirty and he said yes again. Sold! (I'll bet he could have easily gotten thirty bucks for that new box, but whatever). I wasn't haggling. I was just negotiating.

Tom
This is an excellent find and not common! Nice job getting that set back together
 

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Mint Grun: I believe these are those offset stubby DBEs in your find.

Thank you for the photo, JoCo. Does the catalog show the long DBE wrenches as well? How many were there?

This is an excellent find and not common! Nice job getting that set back together

Thank you, Smokeshow. The condition of the tip is impressive, I think screws were (typically) softer back then. This was an earlier find than the C-series stuff.

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It took me almost two years to put that set together! It's finally complete... minus a handle for the box and a new spring for the right hand clasp.

Waves of old tools go through the stores as donations get processed and it's always interesting trying to guess which things came from the same donor(s). Mr. WBM took some of the mystery out of that process.

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Thankfully, that is the only socket he vandalized. You can see where he started with the stamps on top and the side, but apparently the socket was too hard; so, out came the punch and hammer. I'm glad he stopped when he did and didn't use his engraver on them. He didn't mark the midget set either.

He took good care of his tools though, aside from adding the graffiti.

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I guess he was just a bit protective.

Tom
 
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