Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[Outlawmws]

That one is a countersink.

 

[The Bean]

That one is a countersink.

That was my first thought. I shouldn't have added that 1/2" nonsense. Lol.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Such a fickle hobby. I've found probably on the order of a half-dozen Long C ball-pein hammers over the years, all made by Vlchek, all with really nice markings, and nary a one of 'em had a handle with a Craftsman decal. Now I find a handle with a Craftsman decal (or what's left of it, anyway, which is not too bad) - and the 12-oz. ball-pein hammer head that is on the end of it is not a Craftsman. Sometimes, you just can't win.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Such a fickle hobby. I've found probably on the order of a half-dozen Long C ball-pein hammers over the years, all made by Vlchek, all with really nice markings, and nary a one of 'em had a handle with a Craftsman decal. Now I find a handle with a Craftsman decal (or what's left of it, anyway, which is not too bad) - and the 12-oz. ball-pein hammer head that is on the end of it is not a Craftsman. Sometimes, you just can't win.

Even though that head isn't long C...the label is still decent! I would have picked this up just because of the handle itself. Nice find.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That's precisely why I bought it, Smoke. Someone will need/want it. And I might even have one left around here I can switcheroogie!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Ha! That's the way the universe laughs at you Lugz. Nice find!

 

[Outlawmws]

Yep, Use the force Lugz, and switch heads!

 

[Smokeshow69]

I have the opposite luck. I find long c hammer heads on newer/non marked handles.

 

[Outlawmws]

A new Long C find! a 2-1/2" Long C Craftsman DP vise, In decent shape too! No drill divots at all! I'll clean the grunge adn surface eust off, probably paint the as-cast surfaces dark blue, and put it with the Long C DP!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Nice find Outlaw. Unique logo in that it's surrounded by the border. That's a first for me.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

A new Long C find! a 2-1/2" Long C Craftsman DP vise,

Good find, Outlaw. I have one. Posted photos in the MegaVise thread, linked here, back in 2018, and I posted that link here in your thread as well (#649, page 17). I was thinking Palmgren as the OEM, but mine has a "CM" (or "MC") monograph I could never figure out. Does yours have any mark like that?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

And I might even have one left around here I can switcheroogie!

Yup. Use the force Lugz, and switch heads!

Just figures it's a 2-lber with an eye that would drown this handle. I will likely flip it eventually or hang onto it long enough for another 12-oz head to come along at one of my fleas in need of an original handle.

 

[Outlawmws]

Good find, Outlaw. I have one. Posted photos in the MegaVise thread, linked here, back in 2018, and I posted that link here in your thread as well (#649, page 17). I was thinking Palmgren as the OEM, but mine has a "CM" (or "MC") monograph I could never figure out. Does yours have any mark like that?

Nothing but the Craftsman logo, and "Reg. U.S. Pat. Off." under it. - EDIT - I take that back - I was looking for stampings, and after a look at your post, mine has the same "MC" under the static jaw.,

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Foundry mark, I am thinking.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I finally finished cleaning up my amber handle hacksaw I bought over 2 years ago. Cleaned up pretty well for its age!

 

[d42jeep]

They are nice looking hacksaws. I found this one in August and posted it on the Hacksaw thread.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

Great job SS!

Both are great finds!

 

[Old Radar]

I finally finished cleaning up my amber handle hacksaw I bought over 2 years ago. Cleaned up pretty well for its age!

They are nice looking hacksaws. I found this one in August and posted it on the Hacksaw thread.
-Don

I haven't been following amber hacksaw trends, but these two are obviously from different eras (unlikely) or different manufacturers. The one I found recently (and have yet to clean up...) is like Smoke's. It has a BB code after USA which I don't find in lauver's list while Don's BF would indicate Japanese origin which doesn't jibe with Made in USA. Any thoughts?

 

[Smokeshow69]

I haven't been following amber hacksaw trends, but these two are obviously from different eras (unlikely) or different manufacturers. The one I found recently (and have yet to clean up...) is like Smoke's. It has a BB code after USA which I don't find in lauver's list while Don's BF would indicate Japanese origin which doesn't jibe with Made in USA. Any thoughts?

My saw is BB vendor listed as well. I didn’t check out the manufacturer yet but that’s really interesting about Dons saw. I don’t believe that Sears was sourcing from Japanese suppliers at that time though? Wonder if maybe that bf code was used multiple times?

 

[TexTJ209]

BB on hand planes indicates Miller's Falls was the OEM. Pretty sure the BB marked hacksaws are just yellow handled variations of a Millers Falls No 84.



Not sure who BF references during this era, though.

 

[RTM]

BL was a Sargent for Craftsman Code


BB was a Millers Falls for Craftsman Code




Argh, tex got in first.

This document says that BB was also Millers Falls. It has a BF in it, but I can't find it yet. Edit, years later: The BF was just an Excel column header.

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/543133c2-b3f1-40b3-87a4-36f04091e051/downloads/CRAFTSMAN%20HAND%20PLANE%20REFERENCE%20DATA%20V7.1.pdf?ver=1620691100243

 

[TexTJ209]

BL was a Sargent for Craftsman Code

BB was a Millers Falls for Craftsman Code

Argh, tex got in first

Great minds


Some googling does show US made Craftsman Vanadium screwdrivers that were BF marked, with the OEM listed as Fuller/KTC tools (who later imported the Japan BF stuff) but not sure if that would be the case for the hacksaw too.

 

[Smokeshow69]

BB on hand planes indicates Miller's Falls was the OEM. Pretty sure the BB marked hacksaws are just yellow handled variations of a Millers Falls No 84.



Not sure who BF references during this era, though.

Thank you! I knew it had to be a big time manufacturer!

 

[RTM]

Possible that BF is an Atkins #10?

Atkins Saws in the Shop : Metal Cutting Saws : E. C. Atkins & Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

32 p.., illus., 22.8 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

 

[TexTJ209]

Thank you! I knew it had to be a big time manufacturer!

Sure thing! Permaloid was what they called it, pretty popular during their so called "Buck Rogers" era of tools.

 

[TexTJ209]

Another interesting thing is, both saws appear in the 1942 catalog. The one that resembles the BF saw appears to have come with the 90 or 125 piece tool sets, while the BB saw was sold as a stand alone item.

 

[d42jeep]

Whoever supplied my hacksaw was also supplying their Dunlap saws. I don’t think it was Millers Falls though. The #10 has a slightly different frame shape.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

Possible that BF is an Atkins #10?

Atkins Saws in the Shop : Metal Cutting Saws : E. C. Atkins & Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

32 p.., illus., 22.8 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

Likely this newer Atkins #10. Looks like a pretty close match.
-Don

 

[TexTJ209]

Whoever supplied my hacksaw was also supplying their Dunlap saws. I don’t think it was Millers Falls though. The #10 has a slightly different frame shape.
-Don

Appears to also match this later Circle I marked hacksaw on eBay. (Not mine)

Early Vintage Craftsman Made in USA Hacksaw #93558 Blue Handle No Cracks | eBay

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ETA: Nice, missed the first Atkins reference above by RTM but that definitely looks like a match. Even lists a yellow plastic handle. Nice work!

 

[Old Radar]

BB on hand planes indicates Miller's Falls was the OEM. Pretty sure the BB marked hacksaws are just yellow handled variations of a Millers Falls No 84.

Pretty convincing evidence. Thanks!!

 

[d42jeep]

Looks familiar. Millers Falls hacksaw that came with our summer home.
-Don

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Great research gents. I learned something.

On the subject of odd-ball non-drive tool amber handled tools..I probably posted this before but here's an amber handled claw hammer with the Dunlap brand. I've not been able to spot it in any catalogs.

 

[Lesserstore]

Great research gents. I learned something.

On the subject of odd-ball non-drive tool amber handled tools..I probably posted this before but here's an amber handled claw hammer with the Dunlap brand. I've not been able to spot it in any catalogs.

I remembered seeing this hammer in a catalog once while looking for something else a while back. I just happened to pick the fall of 1939 Sears catalog, and it was in it. It was called the Dunlap Lifetime hammer, and it only appeared in that catalog. I think the reason why was because a 16 oz. Craftsman claw hammer cost $.98 and this cost $1.25.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks Lesser! I figured it was in there somewhere. Easy to go cross-eyed on catalog searches.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Great research gents. I learned something.

On the subject of odd-ball non-drive tool amber handled tools..I probably posted this before but here's an amber handled claw hammer with the Dunlap brand. I've not been able to spot it in any catalogs.

That is a weird hammer that I haven’t seen before but glad it got identified by the catalog year!

 

[LesserSon]

Spotted Not Purchased bit brace in an antiques store today, marked $30.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Wow that's a nice one

 

[Smokeshow69]

Spotted Not Purchased bit brace in an antiques store today, marked $30.

Uhhh, why did you not buy that? That’s a good one!

 

[LesserSon]

Yes, it is. My first thought, before reading the price, was “that would go well with my two C’man auger sets.” But my actual job has me less sanguine about my intended retirement hobbies, so
1. a photo was $30 cheaper.
2. I have a milk crate full of $1-$5 bit braces, if I wanted to use one.
3. I’m not trying to build an underline collection.
4. I visit things in antiques stores just to get a pulse on the market. A lot of things sit for years. I expect this to be where I saw it for months.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Yes, it is. My first thought, before reading the price, was “that would go well with my two C’man auger sets.” But my actual job has me less sanguine about my intended retirement hobbies, so
1. a photo was $30 cheaper.
2. I have a milk crate full of $1-$5 bit braces, if I wanted to use one.
3. I’m not trying to build an underline collection.
4. I visit things in antiques stores just to get a pulse on the market. A lot of things sit for years. I expect this to be where I saw it for months.

Al valid points! I would say that this is something that a long c collector would probably pay $60 for? It’s that nice