Snap-On 830 Vs Duralast 3/8

[caper]

I think the 60-90% is a bit of a stretch. I see new Snap-On ratchets that don't bring 50%.

I watch ebay all the time the percentage of Snap on that sell @ 60-90% is way higher than the stuff that sells for less than 50%.Most of the stuff that gets sold for under 50% is buy it now and bought by other ebay sellers for resale.I have a **** pile of Snap on ratchets,most from ebay,and very few of them were bought for less than 60%.

 

[mrholeshot]

I watch ebay all the time the percentage of Snap on that sell @ 60-90% is way higher than the stuff that sells for less than 50%.Most of the stuff that gets sold for under 50% is buy it now and bought by other ebay sellers for resale.I have a **** pile of Snap on ratchets,most from ebay,and very few of them were bought for less than 60%.

I've never seen anything go for 90% but then again I don't sit and watch everything. I pick out stuff I like and watch it. Most of the stuff I buy hits around 60% if it's really nice. I buy a good bit of stuff at 50% or less. I get it for even less than that from techs that are getting out. The boxes I've parted out on ebay on hand tools average 50% for what I've sold. The tool boxes themselves average 30% of the retail if they are in excellant condition. I start everything at 99 cent and let it fly. Blue point sets(complete sets) average a better percentage than Snap-On stuff. People go nuts over the Blue Point boxed sets.

 

[ngk22r]

To have someone (I know you own a lot of snap-on tools) come in and say that a 20 dollar tool is just as good as the 100 dollar one that some of us make our living off of and pay for is almost a kick in the nuts, accurate results or not (not saying your results aren't accurate).

It all comes down to in the eye of the beholder, or in this case the tool in a persons hands..

Why would it be a kick in the nuts that a tool that is lesser of value can perform up to or if not just as well as your snap-on ratchet?? Remember what they said about Japanese cars during the 70's and 80's, people were calling them junk (and they were priced pretty cheap compared to the American counter part.) and now Toyota is #1....


Just because a tool is lesser in price does not mean it is lesser in quality.


Again, I have alot of snap-on tools, mac tools and love what I have.

 

[mrholeshot]

It all comes down to in the eye of the beholder, or in this case the tool in a persons hands..

Why would it be a kick in the nuts that a tool that is lesser of value can perform up to or if not just as well as your snap-on ratchet?? Remember what they said about Japanese cars during the 70's and 80's, people were calling them junk (and they were priced pretty cheap compared to the American counter part.) and now Toyota is #1....


Just because a tool is lesser in price does not mean it is lesser in quality.


Again, I have alot of snap-on tools, mac tools and love what I have.

It's a hard concept for some people to understand. Honda proved that same thing with motorcycles in the 60's and 70's.

 

[48548]

If you go by % I would say pretty close to the same. I think the 60-90% is a bit of a stretch. I see new Snap-On ratchets that don't bring 50%.I buy tools to actually use them. I see many that bring less. If you are buying tools off the tool truck and then selling them on ebay you may want to apply for food stamps. Your business plan isn't going to be very profitable

I had thought about buying tools from my SO connection for 35% off and trying to make money with them on ebay all new of course... But not sure I would make enough to make it worth while. But I have seen a lot of tools go for over list-shipping.

 

[mrchuck]

Has any garage owner ever docked one of his mechanic's pay for going out and visiting a Snap On Truck? I doubt it. This SO tool truck is kinda like those lunch trucks that come around. Both can give you heartburn, but also can provide you and immeasurable value by being there versus having to punch out, leave the working premises, and go visit a cafe or a Snap-On store in the mall somewhere.
This is an enormous value, and has to be included in the purchase of the tool.
Also said earlier and so eloquent and factual is mrholeshot's post, today 1:35pm.
This was from his heart to all the other "line" mechanics.
Unless you have actually "pulled wrenches for a living to feed and house your family", you may have accidently missed the intrinsic value of his message to all of us.
I, for one, did not miss it.
So, this Snap-On debate will continue, but for my own experience with Snap-On, I just warranted a bunch of my "old" screwdrivers whose black handles have and are dis-integrating, and SO was there 100% in mailing me the replacements.
To an old tool enthusiast, this meant a lot.
In ending, I own a lot of everybody's tools. I like them all, or I would put them in a box and trade them off. I guess that is why I joined up on this website.
9 Bravo to all.

 

[mrholeshot]

The funny thing here so many people think I am bashing Snap-On tools. Nothing could be further from the truth. I love Snap-On tools. It was the tool I used to set the standard for the tool I was testing. Some people just have been brainwashed into thinking there is no alternative. I had to buy it, try it and test it. Until you are willing to do that your opinions are just speculation. The only thing I can add is spend 20 dollars and try one.

 

[Thumper]

makes? no......

but both duralast and OEM brands that autozone sells are sourced from greatneck........

http://greatnecktools.com/

Intresting.......hmmmm.....well then....riddle me this...Why in the hell would a company make better stuff for somebody else than they make for their own company ?

There is no comparison between the two. Duralast is far superior.

 

[mrholeshot]

makes? no......

but both duralast and OEM brands that autozone sells are sourced from greatneck........

:

Can you please provide proof that they make Duralast. I'm not sure so I figured I ask the resident "expert"

 

[Bull]

Personal insults are not allowed. Period.

 

[krusty the clown]

compare for yourself......

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ac..._/N-25el?counter=0&itemIdentifier=914047_0_0_
http://greatnecktools.com/products/show/38000

also notice that autozone also carries tools labled "greatneck" and that OEM brand is owned by greatneck.

 

[HomeBrewA4]

Snap On carries other brands on the truck that they do not own. Why cant Autozone sell more then 1 companies tools? Some of Duralasts lineups, it was last year I think, or they might still have it. Looked all but identical to a line of SO ratchets.

 

[mrholeshot]

compare for yourself......

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ac..._/N-25el?counter=0&itemIdentifier=914047_0_0_
http://greatnecktools.com/products/show/38000

also notice that autozone also carries tools labled "greatneck" and that OEM brand is owned by greatneck.

I asked for proof not assumptions. I guess they are all made by Snap-On because thats what they look like. Go to that same site and punch in Duralast and it will come up "No results found" The listing at the top of the Great neck page list their brands. No Duralast listed.

 

[Stephenw]

I just skimmed this thread (didn't read it all). I saw a mention of Blue Point tools.

I wanted to point one thing out...

Generally Snap-on branded tools are made by Snap-on.

Blue point branded tools are usually made for Snap-on by other companies. While Blue Point tools may be from China, Taiwan, etc., many Blue Point tools are made in the USA.

I get the impression that most people think all Blue Point tools are imported. That is not always the case.

 

[Thumper]

compare for yourself......

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ac..._/N-25el?counter=0&itemIdentifier=914047_0_0_
http://greatnecktools.com/products/show/38000

also notice that autozone also carries tools labled "greatneck" and that OEM brand is owned by greatneck.

I work for AZone......I've seen these up close and personal. There is a definate difference the weight, feel etc. The return rate on broken Great Neck tools are roughly 75 % to the Duralast 5%. This is just in my store only and my estimates from what I've seen personally. Take it for what its worth.

Again I ask...why would Great Neck make better tools for somebody else than they make for their own company?

 

[Hiball]

Wow. I've never heard of buying an item and selling it for less than you paid described as "a handsome return" before!

If the "return" to which you refer is the one derived from the pleasure of ownership and the enjoyment of using a finely crafted tool, then I am happy to concede that point.

Indeed, when I buy Snap On, it isn't because I think it's a good investment, I buy it because I can. I'm not ashamed to admit it, I like my SO gear more than my Craftsman, Husky & Stanley not because it feels better, or gets the job done faster, but because it's Snap-On. If that makes me a tool snob so be it. This is America after all. You are allowed to buy expensive stuff just for the fun of owning it.

I Realize its hard for our society to recognize Characteristics that make a Tool a Quality Item that also carries Value, We've became a Society that relies on Buying a item, Using it for a few years, Throw it away and Buy another one. I personally take pride in buying a product that i can find replacement parts for. I do think that buying a tool and using it for 10-20 Years and then being able to sell it for 60%+ is a Great Return on my investment. I could care less about the "Pleasure" factor, I buy my tools to USE and if they can retain a Substantial part of there Cost... Well I do take pleasure in that.

 

[michael murder]

I have a question mr.moleshot, so hopefully the thread isn't de-raileded enough for it to go unnoticed. If a ratchet doesn't fail before 200lbs. How long do you hold it on the 200lbs? Just curious. Thanks for doing these tests. I think they are great.

 

[mrholeshot]

I Realize its hard for our society to recognize Value in a Tool, We've became a Society that relies on Buying a item, Using it for a few years, Throw it away and Buy another one. I personally take pride in buying a product that i can find replacement parts for. I do think that buying a tool and using it for 10-20 Years and then being able to sell it for 60%+ is a Great Return on my investment. I could care less about the "Pleasure" factor, I buy my tools to USE and if they can retain a Substantial part of there Cost... Well I do take pleasure in that.

Most of my tools I use for 20 years. Every now and then I buy something I don't like and get rid of it. I have a set of Stanley made in China wrenches that have worked side by side with my Snap-On and Mac wrenches for 12 years and have seen just as much action. I'd sell the Mac wrenches before I sold the Stanley. I also buy tools to use. I don't buy them to resell. In most cases with my personal tools I give those to my sons. I sell off tools I buy from other techs. I used a 30 dollars set of Stanley wrenches and they work like new. I think thats a great return on my investment

 

[Skin]

I Realize its hard for our society to recognize Value in a Tool, We've became a Society that relies on Buying a item, Using it for a few years, Throw it away and Buy another one. I personally take pride in buying a product that i can find replacement parts for. I do think that buying a tool and using it for 10-20 Years and then being able to sell it for 60%+ is a Great Return on my investment. I could care less about the "Pleasure" factor, I buy my tools to USE and if they can retain a Substantial part of there Cost... Well I do take pleasure in that.

you're making assumptions about a tool you havent used though so i dont quite get your point. There are many Japanese tools that are decades old floating around that still continue to perform today. These tools were the taiwanese/chinese tools of their day.

you arent throwing anything away, if the Duralast ratchet breaks, its a free replacement. Its stamped in very large letters right on the handle.

With the money you'll lose in your SO sale, especially after fees through something like ebay, you probably could of got that Duralast ratchet for free or damn close to it so where's your logic? By paying more you lose more.

I have no problem with you wanting to spend more for the prestige of owning whatever brand, just dont try to tell people its smart economically as well because thats idiotic. Its not the smart buy at all. I feel bad that people get suckered into the SO hype and wake up one day in tons of truck debt for far fewer tools than they could of purchased had they gone with another brand.

 

[mrholeshot]

I have a question mr.moleshot, so hopefully the thread isn't de-raileded enough for it to go unnoticed. If a ratchet doesn't fail before 200lbs. How long do you hold it on the 200lbs? Just curious. Thanks for doing these tests. I think they are great.

About 5-10 seconds, Just long enough to get the reading

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Oh well, here goes......

I buy Snap-on tools because I like the feel of them in my hand and in use. I also have a few other brands that I buy (I must admit that I like my Matco 88 long handle) but the bulk of my new tools are Snap-on. I have several reason why including pride of ownership, helping support American workers, the feel and reliability of them (I had to replace the selector on the 1964 3/4" drive ratchet a year ago, the first warranty work done to it...) and the confidence that I know they will work.

I don't care if there are better ways to spend my cash or cheaper tools that are "just as good". I like buying them, I can afford to buy them without any hardship and I don't feel that I need to explain or defend my reasons other than to say "I wanted them". I am the same way with my firearms and enjoy the pride that goes with wielding a finely made shotgun on a sporting clays course or ***** field.

I don't make a living with my tools anymore but I do keep up with what is happening in the world and make sure that I have the tools required to do any work to the family cars or those of my friends. I don't care if someone thinks I'm being "foolish" with my cash. I know that I have more than enough to survive comfortably in my retirement years and the cash that I spend on tools is from my discretionary 'slush" fund that can be spent on whatever I prefer.

I don't plan on selling my tools but instead plan on passing them down to my kids/grandkids and enjoy knowing that I will more than likely have the correct tool required for what I need in making a repair to one of our cars. I am also in the process of buying the land next to me and start building my dream garage. The kids are all in college now and it is the wife's and mine time to have some fun and spend a few bucks on ourselves.

 

[Bull]

I know that I have more than enough to survive comfortably in my retirement years and the cash that I spend on tools is from my discretionary 'slush" fund that can be spent on whatever I prefer.

Now you're just rubbing it in, Dave

Oh and hey look, you posted your opinion and...nothing bad happened to you!

 

[Hiball]

Most of my tools I use for 20 years. Every now and then I buy something I don't like and get rid of it. I have a set of Stanley made in China wrenches that have worked side by side with my Snap-On and Mac wrenches for 12 years and have seen just as much action. I'd sell the Mac wrenches before I sold the Stanley. I also buy tools to use. I don't buy them to resell. In most cases with my personal tools I give those to my sons. I sell off tools I buy from other techs. I used a 30 dollars set of Stanley wrenches and they work like new. I think thats a great return on my investment

For the 100th time, YOU seem to think im arguing Import Vs. USA. Please Re-Read my posts. As i stated My only issue was with your Limited Ability of Tests which led to your Opinion that it was Comparable to the Snap on Version, Along with your Prestige Statement towards anyone who purchases there tools. Please dont Think for One minute you have any Influence on how i spend my Money on Tools. I Make my choices based on a Companies Core Value and How they treat there customers.

you're making assumptions about a tool you havent used though so i dont quite get your point. There are many Japanese tools that are decades old floating around that still continue to perform today. These tools were the taiwanese/chinese tools of their day..

My Point is... I enjoy buying a tool that i can Rebuild, Its a Pride thing for me. I DONT care where you or any other GJ members spends there money. You would be hard pressed to find a Post where i bashed any Tool.

you arent throwing anything away, if the Duralast ratchet breaks, its a free replacement. Its stamped in very large letters right on the handle..

No doubt.. If Duralast stays in Business you are well on your way to a Replacement. My comment was based on "MY" Opinion of taking pride on Repairing my own tools, Jacks etc... I REALLY Dont care what other people spend there Hard Earned Money on. Are We clear..?

With the money you'll lose in your SO sale, especially after fees through something like ebay, you probably could of got that Duralast ratchet for free or damn close to it so where's your logic? By paying more you lose more..

Pot.. Kettle.. Black... = Assumptions.

I have no problem with you wanting to spend more for the prestige of owning whatever brand, just dont try to tell people its smart economically as well because thats idiotic. Its not the smart buy at all. I feel bad that people get suckered into the SO hype and wake up one day in tons of truck debt for far fewer tools than they could of purchased had they gone with another brand.

That is your Opinion... Obviously Consumers Dont feel the same way. How Long has Snap on Been in Business again? Anybody...

 

[I can fix anything]

I keep hearing "I buy >>><<< to support Americans" . Where are the people who work for autozone from? You can bet the purchase of a duralast tool from Vatozone will be a larger benefit to Autozone than the people overseas will ever see. Yea some guy got paid 25 cents an hour to make it, but some guy at Autozone got paid $9 hr to sell it to you.

None of that matters anyway i still use them on a daily basis.

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Now you're just rubbing it in, Dave

Oh and hey look, you posted your opinion and...nothing bad happened to you!

Not rubbing it in, I have the house paid for and I can live cheap. Other than the cars, tools and guns that is......

 

[sselander]

I was curious and did some research regarding the Duralast tools and found some interesting stuff

If you read the original press release from 2003 for the Duralast tool line, it sounds like they made some effort into putting out decent tools

I also found an old posting (2005) discussing the Duralast ratchet vs Snap-On

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/tools-fabrication/262253-duralast-tools.html

from the 2003 press release:
"AutoZone , is adding a branded line of tools to help the vehicle repair "do-it-yourselfers" get the job done better and easier.

The Duralast product line is the result of a year-long development effort that included focus groups and quantitative and qualitative research, to produce tools that are stronger, ergonomically designed and color coded for either metric or SAE use. Duralast tools also carry a life long guarantee printed right on the tool and will be sold exclusively at AutoZone stores nationwide.

"The Duralast tool line was designed and built from the ground up specifically for vehicle repair," said Brett Easley, AutoZone Senior Vice President of Merchandising. "These tools are competitively priced yet provide unusual consumer friendly features like padded handles and longer shanks, pre- polished to make it easier to keep clean, even thumb grooves to prevent slipping. We think these are tools any DIYer will love." The Duralast tool line now includes 120 SKUs, including ratchets, pliers, wrenches, sockets and screwdrivers. Other Duralast tools will be added over time.

"With over 3200 stores and over six million customer transactions a week, we think over time Duralast can become one of the leading tool brands in the country," said Lisa Kranc, Senior Vice President of Marketing. "Keep in mind, there is an estimated $60 billion in undone maintenance each year. Hopefully, better and more user-friendly tools will encourage more vehicle owners to narrow the gap."

references:
2003 press release:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/AutoZone+Introduces+Duralast+Tool+Line-a0131632284

Autozone ratchet line:
http://www.autozonepro.com/images/tools_equipment/AZG309_11.pdf

note the url is autozonepro

 

[mrholeshot]

Oh well, here goes......

I buy Snap-on tools because I like the feel of them in my hand and in use. I also have a few other brands that I buy (I must admit that I like my Matco 88 long handle) but the bulk of my new tools are Snap-on. I have several reason why including pride of ownership, helping support American workers, the feel and reliability of them (I had to replace the selector on the 1964 3/4" drive ratchet a year ago, the first warranty work done to it...) and the confidence that I know they will work.

I don't care if there are better ways to spend my cash or cheaper tools that are "just as good". I like buying them, I can afford to buy them without any hardship and I don't feel that I need to explain or defend my reasons other than to say "I wanted them". I am the same way with my firearms and enjoy the pride that goes with wielding a finely made shotgun on a sporting clays course or ***** field.

I don't make a living with my tools anymore but I do keep up with what is happening in the world and make sure that I have the tools required to do any work to the family cars or those of my friends. I don't care if someone thinks I'm being "foolish" with my cash. I know that I have more than enough to survive comfortably in my retirement years and the cash that I spend on tools is from my discretionary 'slush" fund that can be spent on whatever I prefer.

I don't plan on selling my tools but instead plan on passing them down to my kids/grandkids and enjoy knowing that I will more than likely have the correct tool required for what I need in making a repair to one of our cars. I am also in the process of buying the land next to me and start building my dream garage. The kids are all in college now and it is the wife's and mine time to have some fun and spend a few bucks on ourselves.

I love my Snap-On tools. I made a decent amount of money using them (I'm not rich but I can afford to spend a few dolllars here and there now and then. I don't have to justify my purchaces to anyone but I've bought American all my life. I've only owned one new non domestic vehicle in my life and that was a Nissan pick up in 1987. I drove that truck for 20 years and 12 of that was as a shop truck. Everything else has been domestic. Ive supported US companies for well over 40 years so I know nothing I did ever cost an American job.

My son is an auto technician and is always on the lookout for something really great at a good price. He has his focus on saving money to pay for his kids education, his home and being able to have things for his family. He takes pride in the quality of his work and is the lead technician where he works. He just doesn't get caught up in the stigma of the name on his tools. If it works and doesn't break it works for him. It's all about priority. He's more about his skill level than having an impressive tool box and mega dollar tools. Personally I think he's smater than Dad. He saw me suffer in the early years struggling with tool payments.

 

[Hiball]

I keep hearing "I buy >>><<< to support Americans" . Where are the people who work for autozone from? You can bet the purchase of a duralast tool from Vatozone will be a larger benefit to Autozone than the people overseas will ever see. Yea some guy got paid 25 cents an hour to make it, but some guy at Autozone got paid $9 hr to sell it to you.

None of that matters anyway i still use them on a daily basis.

Agreed.. There are many US Jobs that are Created by the Import/Export Deficit we currently have here in the states. I dont think that is the best move for our country.. But that is where we are currently and we have to deal with it.

 

[Stephenw]

If someone purchases a tool and posts a review, that is just fantastic. It's what tool forums are all about.

Say I purchased a Durable-master brand ratchet...

I could talk about the quality of the tool.
I could discuss the chrome finish.
I could talk about the smoothness of the mechanism.
I could disassemble it and take a bunch of pictures.
I could even put a couple hundred pounds of torque on it and see if it breaks.

Why not let the review stand on it's own?

I don't see any reason to lay the Durable-master ratchet next to an Awesome-snap ratchet and state "just as good". That would be an opinion.

There are a lot of factors aside from just the apparent quality that would make the two brands equal...

Pride of ownership.
Resale value.
Service.
Supporting your own country's work force.
Etc.

What is wrong with just writing a review and letting the tool stand on it's own merit?

 

[Hiball]

If someone purchases a tool and posts a review, that is just fantastic. It's what tool forums are all about.

Say I purchased a Durable-master brand ratchet...

I could talk about the quality of the tool.
I could discuss the chrome finish.
I could talk about the smoothness of the mechanism.
I could disassemble it and take a bunch of pictures.
I could even put a couple hundred pounds of torque on it and see if it breaks.

Why not let the review stand on it's own?

I don't see any reason to lay the Durable-master ratchet next to an Awesome-snap ratchet and state "just as good". That would be an opinion.

There are a lot of factors aside from just the apparent quality that would make the two brands equal...

Pride of ownership.
Resale value.
Service.
Supporting your own country's work force.
Etc.

What is wrong with just writing a review and letting the tool stand on it's own merit?

+1000

Can of Gasoline + sparks = Happiness.. Its sad but Unfortunately True.

 

[Bull]

Everyone knows SO represents the apex of quality. Therefore, it seems to make sense to use a comparable SO tool as the gold standard against which you are measuring the non-SO tool.

People naturally like to compare new, unknown things to that with which they are already familiar. We do it all the time, and not just with tools.

If someone purchases a tool and posts a review, that is just fantastic. It's what tool forums are all about.

Say I purchased a Durable-master brand ratchet...

I could talk about the quality of the tool.
I could discuss the chrome finish.
I could talk about the smoothness of the mechanism.
I could disassemble it and take a bunch of pictures.
I could even put a couple hundred pounds of torque on it and see if it breaks.

Why not let the review stand on it's own?

I don't see any reason to lay the Durable-master ratchet next to an Awesome-snap ratchet and state "just as good". That would be an opinion.

There are a lot of factors aside from just the apparent quality that would make the two brands equal...

Pride of ownership.
Resale value.
Service.
Supporting your own country's work force.
Etc.

What is wrong with just writing a review and letting the tool stand on it's own merit?

 

[Hiball]

Everyone knows SO represents the apex of quality. Therefore, it seems to make sense to use a comparable SO tool as the gold standard against which you are measuring the non-SO tool.

People naturally like to compare new, unknown things to that with which they are already familiar. We do it all the time, and not just with tools.

Nah.. The Gasoline theory is Better.

 

[thesilverone]

Very well spoken Stephenw. I suggest making a sub forum in here. This section would be for reviews ONLY. Seeing negative feedback/comments like this will discourage future tools like this. Reviews like this make this forum GREAT.

 

[Skin]

I REALLY Dont care what other people spend there Hard Earned Money on. Are We clear..?

Bringing "society" into this and equating said ratchet as something someone would toss in the garbage isnt exactly keeping your opinion to yourself so no, you were not very clear.

Pot.. Kettle.. Black... = Assumptions.

I have no idea what that idiom has to do with what i said. Anyway back on topic, you brought resale value into this, not me. And by spending more, you will lose a greater amount of money. Thats a fact, not an assumption. The only way that doesnt hold true is in instances of collectability/rarity, and just plain old silly bidding wars. Personally i think you'd be hard pressed to get 80-90% of the value back on just about anything especially something that has seen hard use.

That is your Opinion... Obviously Consumers Dont feel the same way. How Long has Snap on Been in Business again? Anybody...

Consumers do feel that way, you just choose not to recognize us. You do not need to purchase Snap-On tools to find a reliable quality tool. There are many many options out there that will be working just as well as a Snap-On counterpart, more recently many of them come from overseas. Thats really all there is to it.

 

[Bull]

Ok fellas. What's it going to take to sort of begin ratcheting down the heat? It's gotten hot enough. Maybe pound a beer and bump fists and stuff?

 

[sk farmer]

Ok fellas. What's it going to take to sort of begin ratcheting down the heat? It's gotten hot enough. Maybe pound a beer and bump fists and stuff?

Everyone knows SO represents the apex of quality. Therefore, it seems to make sense to use a comparable SO tool as the gold standard against which you are measuring the non-SO tool.

People naturally like to compare new, unknown things to that with which they are already familiar. We do it all the time, and not just with tools.

a statement like that does not cool things down. s-o makes some damn fine tools. i even own a few, but to say they are the apex of quality and the gold standard of tools is a stretch. imop that is. it has been fun to watch this thread but by no means is s-o the only game in town. it is a shame that people get so lathered up defending the kool-aid.

 

[Hiball]

Bringing "society" into this and equating said ratchet as something someone would toss in the garbage isnt exactly keeping your opinion to yourself so no, you were not very clear..

Do you not think as a Society we have turned into a Throwaway Nation? Think outside the Tool world.

I have no idea what that idiom has to do with what i said. Anyway back on topic, you brought resale value into this, not me. And by spending more, you will lose a greater amount of money. Thats a fact, not an assumption. The only way that doesnt hold true is in instances of collectability/rarity, and just plain old silly bidding wars. Personally i think you'd be hard pressed to get 80-90% of the value back on just about anything especially something that has seen hard use..

Its fully documentable, You've heard testimonies from other Buyers that 10+ year old Snappy tools will bring 60+% of there Retail. Your claim leaves out the Value of using a tool for 10 years, When you factor that + the Resale factor it makes them very appealing. Again.. Do some searching on Ebay, Im not claiming anything that cant be documented.

Consumers do feel that way, you just choose not to recognize us. You do not need to purchase Snap-On tools to find a reliable quality tool. There are many many options out there that will be working just as well as a Snap-On counterpart, more recently many of them come from overseas. Thats really all there is to it.

You are OFF base... Ive do fully understand the importance of being thrifty with your money and purchases. You seem to forget.. Ive fully backed the Import Tool buyers here at GJ in the Past and in this Thread. Dont even pretend to Judge Me, Or Place me in a category where i could only swing American tools. I wonder if people Read Posts or research a Member before they make accusations? I wonder why i even created the Import Jack Tutorial, If i dont recognize the Importance of being thrifty and being self sufficient. I dont make money off that thread, The required parts can normally be located Locally for our Members. Now im Done..

 

[Bull]

Hi Harlan,

Does your statement cool things down?

People can and will disagree about anything. If SO is not regarded by most folks who love tools as the gold standard, then I hereby retract my statement. No problem.

a statement like that does not cool things down. s-o makes some damn fine tools. i even own a few, but to say they are the apex of quality and the gold standard of tools is a stretch. imop that is. it has been fun to watch this thread but by no means is s-o the only game in town. it is a shame that people get so lathered up defending the kool-aid.

 

[sk farmer]

Hi Harlan,

Does your statement cool things down?

People can and will disagree about anything. If SO is not regarded by most folks who love tools as the gold standard, then I hereby retract my statement. No problem.

nope, page after page and i only posted once. i just had to stir it a little and figured you may get a kick out of it. come visit some time. ps. why don't you turn your light on so people know when you are here?

 

[Bull]

nope, page after page and i only posted once. i just had to stir it a little and figured you may get a kick out of it. come visit some time. ps. why don't you turn your light on so people know when you are here?

Yeah, you SK guys need to pipe up and make your voices heard from time to time!

Can't visit, but thank you.

Who the heck looks at these lights, anyway?