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I want to get a soldering iron kit, just general use for installing a radio and such around the house. I don't need a bizallions dollar one I just want a tried and true one. Any suggestions?I was thinking about a weller kit but I have no idea about wattage,work stations,etc....
 
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I generally only solder on circuit boards (for example to replace a capacitor or other component). When you say install a radio, do you really need to solder or can you use crimped connections?

That said, I like Weller soldering stations just fine. Hakko is another good brand.
 

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If you have patience this gun is a beast for the price especially when it goes on sale for $25

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00927320000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

The down side is that the tip is expensive because it includes the heating element. Theres a few discussions on this gun and its performance around the net....If you catch them on sale at $25 though, its a good idea to pick up a second one because the heating element costs more than the gun at that price.

I dont do enough work to justify a station, but I am keeping my eyes open for hot deal on one.
 
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I generally only solder on circuit boards (for example to replace a capacitor or other component). When you say install a radio, do you really need to solder or can you use crimped connections?

That said, I like Weller soldering stations just fine. Hakko is another good brand.

Well when I put internal wiring in the handle bars of my bike I would have really liked to solder them back together in the headlamp(Had to cut about 16 wires) due to vibrations. The crimped wire connectors just don't seem as "permanent" to me.I also need to solder a aftermarket radio in my work van. So something small and versatile is cool. I don't mind shelling a few extra for a USA made one either, I just don't wanna get crazy
 

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You need to clarify what you intend soldering better, electrical components to Printed Circuit boards, Wire to wire, and if so, what sizes (bigger wire takes more heat capacity)

You might get by with a small gun or you may need larger stations like the /Weller or HakKo's

Different kinds of soldering jobs require different tools...
 

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Sounds like for your needs a Weller would be overkill (not always a bad thing). Maybe something like this would work well http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10707.
As for power, I use a 50W at work every day and I have soldered up to 12 awg wire (mil spec joints) with no problems at all. Dont think the more power the better.
 

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For what you are soldering this a good general purpose 140/100 watt soldering gun kit.
Circuit board work requires a smaller 20-40 watt iron.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weller-WEL8...720?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb6ce6ed8

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A proper crimp is more consistent and reliable as a mechanical connection than a solder joint. QC on hand soldering is not nearly as good.

Here is the Weller site Weller soldering stations. Look for the WES51. That is a good quality work station, but it is not digital so it is quite a bit more reasonably priced than the digital stations.

For solder, I like silver bearing solder as thin as I can get it. .015" is my favorite. I get 62/36/2 (tin/lead/silver). Otherwise, get 63/37 (tin/lead). I haven't gotten into the lead free solders, so I don't have a recommendation there.
 
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Yeah I don't have the knowledge to be soldering circuit boards (yet). I do like the weller kits, And THANKS for the links!
 

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Also more power is better. The really nice stations are 100W or better. The iron gets up to temperature fast, you heat the component quickly with less contact time, and the tip gets right back up to temp.
 

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A proper crimp is more consistent and reliable as a mechanical connection than a solder joint. QC on hand soldering is not nearly as good.

:headscrat I have never heard that before. In my experience there is no wire to wire connection more durable than a properly soldered joint with heat shrink. Also the soldered joint will have a lower resistance resulting in less heat build up at the joint for high current situations.
 

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For car work like radios and remote starters I love my weller butane iron. I also have a weller gun that I don't use anymore, it was my first soldering gun a while back. I rebuild a few cordless drill battery packs and my two wellers were not hot enough to get a good joint on the nickel tabs. I ended up buying a hakko soldering stating and use this for most soldering work. It's super nice and will solder just about anything with it's variable temp controls.

One thing about soldering is knowing the right way to do it goes a long way. When I first started when I was about twelve I couldn't get good solder joints at all. Tinning the wires and iron tip and using flux pens goes a long way, lots of decent info online about how to solder correctly. Also buy some of that de soldering tape, forget the correct name, might be wick. It is cheap and will "****" the solder out of a joint if you screw up.
 

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Hakko FX-888 would be the best for under $100, as Weller has slipped in quality in my experience.

Use lead bearing solder, and use thin gauges of it (~ 0.20" or so).

And as per power, that's not the end-all, be-all. Proper temperature control and recovery time is more important.
 

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I have a weller gun and I have to clean contacs on tip alot is this normal.I also have 2 big soldering irons I us alot.
 

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:headscrat i have never heard that before. In my experience there is no wire to wire connection more durable than a properly soldered joint with heat shrink. Also the soldered joint will have a lower resistance resulting in less heat build up at the joint for high current situations.

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Those are not everyday run of the mill crimp connectors that every place sells there is a primary crimp on the wire itself and a secondary crimp on the wires insulation (jacket) which makes for a strong bond.
The reason NASA use it as well as vehicle makers is the vibration factor as solder will harden the wire area that's been joined and it could break if moved back and fourth enough.
Not many automotive jobbers or stores carry those terminals.

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Touché sir. I suspect the reason Nasa would prefer a crimp is that inspection and QC are easier and more reliable. I suspect that a properly soldered joint compared to a properly crimped joint will be stronger and have a lower resistance. I'll try this at work after I get back from Vegas and see what happens.

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Those are not everyday run of the mill crimp connectors that every place sells there is a primary crimp on the wire itself and a secondary crimp on the wires insulation (jacket) which makes for a strong bond.
The reason NASA use it as well as vehicle makers is the vibration factor as solder will harden the wire area that's been joined and it could break if moved back and fourth enough.
Not many automotive jobbers or stores carry those terminals.

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Two crimp terminals are not required, but are best. You can still use single crimp, but you need to make the crimp properly and heat shrink it properly.

Similarly, you can solder a joint, but it should be lapped and lashed with solid wire prior to soldering, and it needs a lot of inspection to make sure the solder didn't wick up the wires.

As a result, I'll take crimps unless I'm terminating to a board. Crimps are better, less work, and more consistent.
 
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I like the crimp idea but sometimes there isn;t the access to do a "acceptable" crimp.And I'm sure the **** I work on ain't going to the moon
 

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Touché sir. I suspect the reason Nasa would prefer a crimp is that inspection and QC are easier and more reliable. I suspect that a properly soldered joint compared to a properly crimped joint will be stronger and have a lower resistance. I'll try this at work after I get back from Vegas and see what happens.

Cheers

Many crimps are brass, which is an alloy of copper and zinc. You are going to be hard pressed to have lower resistance than that. Solder is tin and lead usually, and lead has much higher resistivity than tin, copper, zinc, etc.
 

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Many crimps are brass, which is an alloy of copper and zinc. You are going to be hard pressed to have lower resistance than that. Solder is tin and lead usually, and lead has much higher resistivity than tin, copper, zinc, etc.

Perhaps, but the surface area will be many times higher with a soldered joint as the solder flows in between every individual conductor.
 

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As far as soldering irons go I really like using Weller. Grandpa and Dad had some old Wellers that still work really well. I have electric and butane iron, never let me down.
 

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Hakko FX-888 would be the best for under $100, as Weller has slipped in quality in my experience.

Use lead bearing solder, and use thin gauges of it (~ 0.20" or so).

And as per power, that's not the end-all, be-all. Proper temperature control and recovery time is more important.

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I can highly recommend this Hakko rig for overall best value an capability. I have used the pre fisher price colored one at a clients lab, as well I own a chinese knock off one (pretty much same handle and tips). The control of heat will make it good for almost any task along with the tips being redially available. By almost any task, I can say from experience, as small and delicate as 0402, TQFP & QFN packages (fyi, 0402 is short for 0.040" x 0.020"). and all the way up to soldering 10 AWG cable.

the closest alternative to this iron is a Weller and that's going to run you another $50 o so with out getting you any more functionality/capability.
 

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The Hakko FX-888 is a great unit for the price, but IMO it isn't really the right unit for a lot of things. It's really meant as a benchtop unit for electronic assemblers/repairmen, not as a maintenance unit for industrial/auto techs, etc.

A suitable iron for those who are going to be occasional soldering at work and around the house, is the Portasol Super Pro 125W, or Pro Piezo 75W.

They run on Butane (you can easily get 10hrs+ of operation from a couple dollars worth of it).


- No cord to mess with. This is doubly important when looking at an iron like the FX-888, where you've got a Power Supply w/cord, Iron w/another cord, and iron stand. This is a SERIOUS pain in the rear if you need to solder anywhere other than a bench.

- You can solder and heatshrink with the same tool. Both Portasol kits include heatshrink attachments.

- Built in stand. The Super Pro has a built in kickstand, the Pro Piezo has a stand built into the case.

- Compact and easy to fit in a toolbag.

- Torch mode for heavy joints such as large lugs and smaller battery terminals. There are certain things that an iron like the FX-888 just can't deal with. You either need a large iron, or flame.

- Auto-ignition, and doesn't need any electricity. Not only does this mean not needing to move the tangle of cords and power supply, it also means not having to pull an extension cord.



I have both the FX-888 and the Portasol Pro Piezo 75W, but I would BY FAR take the Pro Piezo if I could only have one.

Also, weller repackages the Pro Piezo as the P2KC, but it costs more and comes with less tips. The Pro Piezo is $54 right now on Amazon.
 

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one note of caution with the butane irons. Like the wellers that I am familiar with, they exhaust out the side just above the tip. If you are working in tight areas the hot gasses that come out of the vent will burn burnable things and you in a hurry.
 

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one note of caution with the butane irons. Like the wellers that I am familiar with, they exhaust out the side just above the tip. If you are working in tight areas the hot gasses that come out of the vent will burn burnable things and you in a hurry.

Thanks for adding that... it is something you need to be aware of, but in general, isn't a problem as long as you're aware.

I find that the added mobility in tight spaces of not having a cord, makes it easier to deal with.
 

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After looking at that hideous Hakko Fx-888, it seems like an amazingly value. Despite how ugly it is I think I'll pick one up for use at home. Wow is it brutally ugly. Lots of great features though.
 

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After looking at that hideous Hakko Fx-888, it seems like an amazingly value. Despite how ugly it is I think I'll pick one up for use at home. Wow is it brutally ugly. Lots of great features though.

The FX-888 is the successor to the Hakko 936, which is arguably the most prolific benchtop soldering iron ever made.

I agree that it is pretty fugly, but it walks the walk.

If you don't have a good butane iron yet, I can't stress enough how handy they are.
 

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As you can tell, this is a very long topic. It all depends on what you want to solder. At my repair benches where I work on wiring inside clocks and small electronic items I have some small soldering stations. Something larger like an antenna connector may need a soldering gun like the Weller someone posted. People who use solder for stained glass or copper use larger irons with large tips to spread heat over a wide area.
 

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I have used tons of different irons, benchtop stations, and guns over the years. Not too long ago, I picked up a Portasol Super Pro based on some recommendations... For general soldering of auto/moto wiring, connectors, pretty much anything non pcb, it's the only one I use now.

I never would have thought that a butane iron would work so well, but I love it!

Lots more info on butane irons is this thread:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116824

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Metcal. Only way to fly if you plan on doing a lot of soldering.

It's been a couple of decades, but I loved their units when I instructed soldering courses at the company I worked at. Easiest to work with and gave the fewest errors no matter the operator's skill level. Even I could use them and make decent solder joints! :lol_hitti

Management always went :willy_nil over the price, but once I asked them how much reworking something cost, I got my Metcals.

Good linky on the crimp connections. Interesting. :beer:
 

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Perhaps, but the surface area will be many times higher with a soldered joint as the solder flows in between every individual conductor.
A proper crimp creates a Cold weld, which does actually bond the metal, including the individual wire strands (due to the elongation of the wire which exposes new, unoxidized metal on both the terminal and wire, and the compression creates the vacuum, thus creating a cold weld).

But unlike solder, it doesn't wick up the wire, creating a non-flexible section of wire that can break due to vibration.

It not only gives a good connection (as good as solder), but it offers a higher repeatability vs. soldering, and does so at a lower cost (less labor from the crimp to inspection, as well as reduced training time).

As far as soldering irons go I really like using Weller. Grandpa and Dad had some old Wellers that still work really well. I have electric and butane iron, never let me down.
Unfortunately, current Wellers aren't the same quality of what your Dad and Grandpa used.

I've used and owned Weller for years (currently own a WD1001 as well as an old gun type), and the WD series is not as well made as past models.

The newest WX series is **** (so bad they were arriving to users DOA, and Weller did a quiet recall). Iron/pencil/handles of the WD series I own aren't as rugged (seen them break in under a year, and cost more than the entire FX-888 station <incl. power unit, iron, and stand>).

The Hakko FX-888 is a great unit for the price, but IMO it isn't really the right unit for a lot of things. It's really meant as a benchtop unit for electronic assemblers/repairmen, not as a maintenance unit for industrial/auto techs, etc.
Quite true, but it's possible to use (have done it myself).

BTW, a folded, damp towel draped over any part of the user that molten solder can drip on helps. :thumbup:

A suitable iron for those who are going to be occasional soldering at work and around the house, is the Portasol Super Pro 125W, or Pro Piezo 75W.
I understand your point, and if portability is the highest priority, I would agree. Unfortunately, you give up some things, particularly proper temperature control. For household use, even a stick iron can be useful.

Personally however, I'd rather use a crimp connector and butane torch for adhesive lined heat shrink (no molten solder to deal with...).

The FX-888 is the successor to the Hakko 936, which is arguably the most prolific benchtop soldering iron ever made.
Best bang-for-the-buck in a bench soldering station IMO right now.

Metcal. Only way to fly if you plan on doing a lot of soldering.
Metcal is good for production use, but I prefer temp control based irons for lab use due to the additional flexibility they offer.

My favorite is JBC BTW (best temp control and recovery I've ever seen, but they're on the expensive side).
 
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