Spreading the Bonney affliction!
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Ricky Joe
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As thick as the heads are, it looks toolpost.Is this small (3 1/4") spanner made be the same Bonney company? I can't find anything that looks similar.
Private Lugnutz
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This is the first one of these 'Ford Owner's Wrench Set' No. 9 wrenches I have ever seen in the wild. Dates from 1919 through 20's. I have a Bonney carry box and a wooden machinists' chest filled with antique and vintage Bonney tools all found at my fleas, but for whatever reason, these "F" wrenches run scarce around here. I would offer it to either @twertsy or @LesserSon, who are both very close to completing the set, but both already have it.
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Mintgrun
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These were an impulse-buy today. Shown in as-found condition. I haven't looked up any of the part numbers yet, to see what hung on them. The two logos are slightly different.
Oldtuleguy
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Those ph numbers on the second one are hammers
Mintgrun
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Thank you OTG. A little online part number searching shows that the other board holds an assortment of odd little tools, like screw starters, offset screwdrivers, brake spoons, nut drivers, grabbers (including the KF (foot long) that Lugz mentioned earlier in this thread).
Private Lugnutz
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Content-wise, definitely more unusual than a wrench or even a pliers board. Cooler to try to complete, in my opinion, but also more challenging.
On timeframe, I've always struggled with that logo. It's clearly not prewar or wartime, and it doesn't have the features of the immediate postwar logo (oval, scotch plaid) branding, either. But it seems earlier than "conglomeration" (Miller/ Utica/KH/Triangle) Bonney. I've seen it before, maybe even on later toolboxes, but it doesn't really match any literature. If you look through catalogs from the 50s and 60s, it doesn't really match any of the branding. The font itself looks late 40s or early 50s, as does the red color scheme, but not the rectangle. Hence, it's not even on my logo timeline upthread. @LesserSon may have more to add.
On timeframe, I've always struggled with that logo. It's clearly not prewar or wartime, and it doesn't have the features of the immediate postwar logo (oval, scotch plaid) branding, either. But it seems earlier than "conglomeration" (Miller/ Utica/KH/Triangle) Bonney. I've seen it before, maybe even on later toolboxes, but it doesn't really match any literature. If you look through catalogs from the 50s and 60s, it doesn't really match any of the branding. The font itself looks late 40s or early 50s, as does the red color scheme, but not the rectangle. Hence, it's not even on my logo timeline upthread. @LesserSon may have more to add.
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S-K Tool Fanatic!
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These were an impulse-buy today. Shown in as-found condition. I haven't looked up any of the part numbers yet, to see what hung on them. The two logos are slightly different.
Ph20 is a soft face hammer.
Picked up these two tappet wrenches today, both date code AP (Jan1924). Puzzled at first by the M prefix to the tool numbers and whole number sizes on the openings until I realized they were metric. Nice, but now, I still don’t have a 408A or 409A…plus, THERE ARE METRIC ONES TO AMASS!
Oldtuleguy
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Just more problems!
Greg: I wondered how closely this chest matches the one you got from Todd?
I couldn’t relocate the images that were
posted previously.
There is no Bonney branding on it; in fact, I can’t make out whatever was on this label.
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Private Lugnutz
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Nice find!
Here are some I just took. Hope it helps. Had to pull it out of its usual spot. Too messy and too dark at the moment.
As a potential lead to explore, I recall a theory, not very firm, that it may have been C.E. Jennings in origin.
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Mintgrun
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I see New York at the bottom... if that helps.
alinc100
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C.E.Jennings: https://sites.google.com/site/theguideforwoodmachinistchests/pg-14-c-e-jennings-co Logo in lower right,I would speculate to be a match.
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Thank you - I think it’s a match. Mostly chestnut with stinky poplar drawer bottom panels. The lock and side handles and the inside corner reinforcements were all the same. Someone had started to swap the lock with a similar one but stopped short of hogging out the space needed. Both were loose under the lid.
I should have bought it, but it was pouring rain and I really don’t need another project right now.
I should have bought it, but it was pouring rain and I really don’t need another project right now.
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Private Lugnutz
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Agreed, as well as corner bracing, and other features.
Maybe it'll be there next time and your frame of mind will be different.
That'd been perfect for square head drain bolts - or hose bibs missing the handle - when I was doing HVAC. 
Many of the commercial buildings I did removed the handles on their exterior hose bibs to keep transients from using the water. Initially made it tough to get water to clean their coils. I ended up putting together a collection of tools and knobs to cover the various configurations I ran into.
Many of the commercial buildings I did removed the handles on their exterior hose bibs to keep transients from using the water. Initially made it tough to get water to clean their coils. I ended up putting together a collection of tools and knobs to cover the various configurations I ran into.
Mintgrun
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I managed to find room to hang the tool boards up in the shop. The hammer board hangs five feet from my hammer-station. I put a few on it just for fun and am looking forward to looking up the part numbers/hammers to see how close I can come to filling it with off-brand hammers I already own.
The other one happened to fit between the shelf supports, so I raised the shelf a notch and tucked the board up under it. I've got quite a few screw starters/offset screwdrivers/brake spoons/etc. but none of them are Bonney. It's still a fun way to display them though. The only Bonney tool I have that belongs is the yellow handled CL3 clutch drive screwdriver on the bottom row.
I have yet to even dust off the boards. Hopefully, the black drip marks will wash off, but I'm not too optimistic.
The other one happened to fit between the shelf supports, so I raised the shelf a notch and tucked the board up under it. I've got quite a few screw starters/offset screwdrivers/brake spoons/etc. but none of them are Bonney. It's still a fun way to display them though. The only Bonney tool I have that belongs is the yellow handled CL3 clutch drive screwdriver on the bottom row.
I have yet to even dust off the boards. Hopefully, the black drip marks will wash off, but I'm not too optimistic.
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Nice!
Private Lugnutz
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Those look great. I like the idea of using vintage boards to hang the right tools, regardless of the brand, or any tools that happen to fit. More colorful in a vintage shop than generic white pegboard. Functional, and visually appealing.
Mintgrun
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I used the #60 catalog to look up the hammers that were displayed on this board and did pretty well filling it with off-brand hammers I had on-hand. That catalog did not list the PH45 or PH46, so I just put brass and becu hammers down there. I don't have a 4# tire and rim hammer, so I filled the PH19 slot with another 4# hammer. The handles need to be fairly long to fit on this board and the PH10 I have doesn't quite reach the peg. The shape of the 'cheek' on ball pein hammers can vary a bit and some have faceted 'necks' while others are smooth. I did my best to make them match, but the PH9 PLUMB hammer has smooth necks. I do have a faceted CRAFTSMAN hammer that could go there, but it's nickel plated and half of the handle is painted white, so it doesn't blend in as well.
The #60 catalog gives an amazingly detailed description of each hammer, listing it's head weight, the diameter of each end of the head, the length of the head and the overall length.
I went ahead and filled the other board with tools that fit the theme, without paying attention to what originally went where. (The number in the lower right corner of this board is 1024). I wet the corner of a rag and wiped a black drip-streak and it seemed to come off without even using soap, so I think it'll clean up pretty well (some day).
The tool in the K1 slot is a BONNEY 27340, as seen below. It doesn't belong on the board, but fits pretty well. I searched this thread and didn't find a post where I'd shared it, so I figured I'd mention it now.
Thanks for letting me share the fun. These are the first display boards I've come across.
Tom
The #60 catalog gives an amazingly detailed description of each hammer, listing it's head weight, the diameter of each end of the head, the length of the head and the overall length.
I went ahead and filled the other board with tools that fit the theme, without paying attention to what originally went where. (The number in the lower right corner of this board is 1024). I wet the corner of a rag and wiped a black drip-streak and it seemed to come off without even using soap, so I think it'll clean up pretty well (some day).
The tool in the K1 slot is a BONNEY 27340, as seen below. It doesn't belong on the board, but fits pretty well. I searched this thread and didn't find a post where I'd shared it, so I figured I'd mention it now.
Thanks for letting me share the fun. These are the first display boards I've come across.
Tom
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Private Lugnutz
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I think you did it up proud, Tom. The tools and the boards they're on all deserve each other and cohabitate nicely on those themes regardless of branding.
Mintgrun
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Thank you both for the compliments/encouragement. I bought another Hunter screw starter today... but I'll save that for another thread.
I picked up this 8" AUTOMOBILE wrench today and bought it without reading the fine print. (it was pretty dirty). I was tickled to see that it was a BONNEY wrench.
I picked up this 8" AUTOMOBILE wrench today and bought it without reading the fine print. (it was pretty dirty). I was tickled to see that it was a BONNEY wrench.
d42jeep
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Here is a shiny chrome plated DOE I found recently.
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That’s malleable steel - p37 in the 1914 catalog. Should be 3-3/8”, according to that source.
I have G, J & K… not sure which two are in the left of this pic
EDIT - looks like G & K.
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Mikeske
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That is a nice example of the DOE wrench. The only thing is in the fields (automotive and aircraft) I worked in those wrenches were once in a great while use. I always had the open box or the double box ends that were just used more and when an open end was needed I have an either my long reach or short reach sized wrenches. I am sure that other fields had a use for them. I do have a few of the DOE's in SAE but not many as I just never actively worked to acquire them in the full polish set.Here is a shiny chrome plated DOE I found recently.
-Don
Looks like I got a c1950 CC10 roller cabinet and 1949ish tool chest for $20 today. There is no original branding that I can see, so maybe it wasn’t Bonney. It did recent duty in a bicycle shop. Dunno if the Shimano logo will come off painlessly or not.
Happy anyway.
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Mintgrun
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wOw. very nice score! I have some VW aluminum door trim that may work to fabricate the missing piece on the door, assuming it isn't tucked safely away in one of those drawers.
esben57
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Local auction lot, Gray Bonney. Could have been from 1930's to 1960-ish. Original goop on some parts. Latches and handle (leather?)
missing along with some sockets and drive tools.
alinc100
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Oh My!! That certainly shares some visual similarities to this one:
Looks like I got a late ‘40s CC roller cabinet for $20 today. There is no original branding that I can see, so maybe it wasn’t Bonney. It did recent duty in a bicycle shop. Dunno if the Shimano logo will come off painlessly or not.
Happy anyway.
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Yeah, I have no doubt it was the same manufacturer. Haven’t looked close enough to determine original color. It has been sprayed red (but so far I think was origonally red, too).
EDIT - I think this pair supports the idea of a brief transition of mixed elements from the brown crinkle boxes with the “planes trains automobiles” logo to the red crackle boxes with tartan logos (even without having any logos). There’s a gap between 1947 and 1950 catalogs, but the 1950 catalogs announces the CC10 (tucked-under casters) replacing the CC (outrigger casters) and the MB82 showing up with no image of this chest nor its drawerless siblings, so 1949-1950 seems like the transitional period. This chest should be brown, but it’s red.
EDIT - I think this pair supports the idea of a brief transition of mixed elements from the brown crinkle boxes with the “planes trains automobiles” logo to the red crackle boxes with tartan logos (even without having any logos). There’s a gap between 1947 and 1950 catalogs, but the 1950 catalogs announces the CC10 (tucked-under casters) replacing the CC (outrigger casters) and the MB82 showing up with no image of this chest nor its drawerless siblings, so 1949-1950 seems like the transitional period. This chest should be brown, but it’s red.
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Thanks for the info. I wish I could order the case so I could get that Bonney hat and "jack rabbit" wrench shown in the catalog.That’s malleable steel - p37 in the 1914 catalog. Should be 3-3/8”, according to that source.
I have G, J & K… not sure which two are in the left of this pic
Mintgrun
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Here are the dimensions of the VW trim, in case they're close enough to what your box uses. It's probably a longshot, but easy enough to check. The finish ends look similar to your box trim, but you'd have to shape the other end once it was cut to length. (your trim looks a little wider). Tom
Geez, who would let that beaut go for 20 bucks????? Great score indeed!
Looks like I got a late ‘40s CC roller cabinet for $20 today. There is no original branding that I can see, so maybe it wasn’t Bonney. It did recent duty in a bicycle shop. Dunno if the Shimano logo will come off painlessly or not.
Happy anyway.
This is Amazing!!! Well done!!! CONGRATULATIONS!
Looks like I got a c1950 CC10 roller cabinet and 1949ish tool chest for $20 today. There is no original branding that I can see, so maybe it wasn’t Bonney. It did recent duty in a bicycle shop. Dunno if the Shimano logo will come off painlessly or not.
Happy anyway.
Given red color, I would guess possibility of Blackhawk (for the chest. The bottom looks like Bonney (though I remember these being brown, but could have been more than one color)