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Thanks bonneyman, this wrench is awesome. I'm guessing it is late production due to features and 5 digit part number. No triangles anywhere, Cooper production? I don't even know when they stopped using the name.

I kept the ebay luck going with a Bonney ALH36 deep 1-1/8" 6 pt. chrome 1/2 drive socket I just won for $1.62. This one has a Triangle so easy to tell when it's from.

The V-gullet and Loc-Rite box broaching make it a Triangle Tools era wrench after 1967. Cooper was later in the game (approx 1990). Long combo wrenches were made in both full polish and satin finish up to a 1 1/4" - above that they were only made in satin.
Only the sockets and drive accessories have a little triangle under the "Y" in Bonney IIRC.
 
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I snagged this off eBay a couple weeks ago. It came out of eastern PA and was cheap. I'd like to think it sat on someone's desk at Bonney long ago. However, I'm more inclined to think the seller "faked it" due to the inside logo appearing to have simply been printed. Note the black around the edge......1529233512891.jpeg1529233533702.jpeg1529233663463.jpeg

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Yes, that’s got to be a printer image decoupaged on there. The inside label has “holes” because the METAL original was tacked onto one of those red 24x32” plywood wrenchboards with the gray metal edge. I am sure I saw that exact one on eBay about a year ago, but here’s a similar one that sold. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/253560158532
 
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The V-gullet and Loc-Rite box broaching make it a Triangle Tools era wrench after 1967. Cooper was later in the game (approx 1990). Long combo wrenches were made in both full polish and satin finish up to a 1 1/4" - above that they were only made in satin.
Only the sockets and drive accessories have a little triangle under the "Y" in Bonney IIRC.

Thanks for the heads up! I am going to on the lookout for more of these.
 
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V gullet open ends (which Bonney calls Hex-Fit) are supposedly weaker than regular OE's because of the sharp corners. Personally I've never broken a Bonney open end, and I've abused them over the years - though I have seen a wrench or two with a jaw snapped off.

But the V sure makes Bonney's stand out in a big bin of wrenches!
 

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But the V sure makes Bonney's stand out in a big bin of wrenches!

Something about Ohio wrench makers. Mac (Vanadium Tool), Bonney, Wright, all used the V-gullet at one time or another.

Weekend Bonney additions to the family include B36 slip joint pliers, deep 1/2" (3/8" drive), Deep 7/8" (1/2" drive), and ZENEL 3027 dated K.N.

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V gullet open ends (which Bonney calls Hex-Fit) are supposedly weaker than regular OE's because of the sharp corners. Personally I've never broken a Bonney open end, and I've abused them over the years - though I have seen a wrench or two with a jaw snapped off.

But the V sure makes Bonney's stand out in a big bin of wrenches!
The V-gullet wrenches are still much better then many other brands. I understand that the idea that the v-gullet is supposedly weaker then regular OE's but having used them professionally in automotive and aviation related fields since the early 1980's until I retired last year and not being easy on them I never had a issue with the open end. In fact I would say they are probably no worse or better then any of the other professional grade wrenches from other companies.
 
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The V-gullet wrenches are still much better then many other brands. I understand that the idea that the v-gullet is supposedly weaker then regular OE's but having used them professionally in automotive and aviation related fields since the early 1980's until I retired last year and not being easy on them I never had a issue with the open end. In fact I would say they are probably no worse or better then any of the other professional grade wrenches from other companies.

The open end on my 9/16" Bonney combo was used to break bicycle pedals free from cranks. Like an idiot I'd stomp on it with my foot on really stuck ones. Never had a break, never had the end spread.
I think Cornwell had some V-gullet wrenches, and I don't remember hearing about weak jaws with them, either.
 

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I think Cornwell had some V-gullet wrenches,
All of their early open end wrenches (engineers, tappet, obstruction, etc) had hex nut shaped throats as far as I know. Whenever I see a hex throated wrench in a pile of wrenches, it's always, without fail, a Cornwell, Mac, or Wright, and never, without fail, any other maker. Herbrand and Vlchek apparently bucked the Ohio-based characteristic. It's supremely ironic to see it on a Bonney wrench, because they were clearly converted in the move to Ohio. None of the early Philly or Allentown era wrenches had it.

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...and I don't remember hearing about weak jaws with them, either.
There was a thread up here on the General Discussion board awhile ago that I had a hard time keeping myself from commenting on. It was a battle of diagrams there for awhile, each purportedly showing the irrefutable physics involved in hex throats being either weaker, or stronger, take yer pick. I'm with you guys. Machts nichts unless you're trying to do something you shouldn't be doing (excessive force, cheater bar, etc), in which case it's hard to fault the wrench. The hex throats have a much better bite on a hex nut, obviously.
 

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There was a thread up here on the General Discussion board awhile ago that I had a hard time keeping myself from commenting on. It was a battle of diagrams there for awhile, each purportedly showing the irrefutable physics involved in hex throats being either weaker, or stronger, take yer pick. I'm with you guys. Machts nichts unless you're trying to do something you shouldn't be doing (excessive force, cheater bar, etc), in which case it's hard to fault the wrench. The hex throats have a much better bite on a hex nut, obviously.
Yeah I saw that thread and chose to not participate in it as I knew it would go nowhere. All I know is that I never had a Bonney wrench break, yes a few sockets and a Bonney labeled screwdriver but never a wrench.
 

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Got this off eBay and it arrived today. In all appearances it is NOS as nothing shows it ever was used.
 

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Since the DOE wrenches were date-coded, before and after the change, it's not a matter of guesswork, just having enough examples. Per Alloy Artifacts (AA), "at least by 1933, possibly as early as 1931." Per Tools Archive (TA), "sometime in 1931." Looking at both sources, the latest wrench with the embedded shield (on AA) is an "EV" (5/30), and the earliest wrench without the embedded shield (on TA) is an "HX" (8/32). I don't have enough examples to argue with either source, but based on those sources as the most readily accessible in the public domain, I would say it's most accurate to say that as far as we can tell right now, the change occurred no earlier than May 1930 and no later than August 1932. It's entirely possible that embedded shield production continued in early 1932, but it may have been dropped in 1931. If you have a wrench you're trying to date, it should be date-coded. If it's worn and illegible, I would trust the embedded shield/no shield tell for at least an approximation (EDIT, i.e., no later than/no earlier than). Do you have a wrench that helps refine that?
 
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ALH36 Triangle-era deep well 1/2 drive 6 point 1-1/8" socket. $1.62 on ebay. Sloppy broaching but it does have 4 detents on female drive.
 

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In my travels this weekend, I handled a Zenel-stamped Bonney 1/2dr 4098 ratchet. It is in pretty good shape, but the action is heavy. Priced $15, I set it down. In the same place, I spotted a small ball pein hammer with a very Bonney-looking stamped “NEY” on the side. I kept looking for the “BON”, but finally decided it was a CHENEY. If it had been a couple bucks cheaper, I might have bought it to go with the farmers anvil-vise I have. All the stuff in that booth seems to have gone up in price recently.
I have been watching a lot of embedded-B, black-japanned, carbon-steel Bonney Whitworth DOEs on eBay for a couple months, attracted by their well-preserved decals, but repelled by their utter uselessness to me. Recently they sold.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/263754253816
If the buyer is on this thread, and is looking to expand the range of that lot, I have a W35 available for that purpose. I doubt I will ever see more of them.
 

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I picked up a few Bonney items the last couple weeks.

2896 DBE 1 1/8- 1 3/8
1170 combo
Long skinny yellow handled driver
E 03 driver... with what looks like a fuse inside it? whats this about?
 

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E 03 driver... with what looks like a fuse inside it? whats this about?

That spark tester is a rare bird. Great find!

This weekend was the best weened in a while for me on the Bonney front. I added more than a handful of pieces.

First single offset DBE that I've found in the wild along with a (CV) DBE with square openings.
Bonney line wrench
Couple of Bonney drivers
3/8" drive flex head breaker
midget ignition DBE
Triangle era socket
myriad of combos and DOEs.
 

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That spark tester is a rare bird. Great find!

This weekend was the best weened in a while for me on the Bonney front. I added more than a handful of pieces.

First single offset DBE that I've found in the wild along with a (CV) DBE with square openings.
Bonney line wrench
Couple of Bonney drivers
3/8" drive flex head breaker
midget ignition DBE
Triangle era socket
myriad of combos and DOEs.

Nice score! :thumbup:

I've got several of those older DFE wrenches - never let me down. Single offset is one of a set I'd like to grab, and the breaker is a solid user as well.
 

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Came across some tools in an antiques store today. Vixen file with wood handle and a Sturtevant-manufactured no209301 1/2dr beam torque wrench with documentation, copyright 1956. Seemed pretty nice, so I bought both. The shop-built box is 3ply 1/4” pine. Must have been made by a non-subscriber to the “measure twice” school of thought, because there are two whittled-out reliefs for the wings. Otherwise, I admire the craftsmanship.
 

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Came across some tools in an antiques store today. Vixen file with wood handle and a Sturtevant-manufactured no209301 1/2dr beam torque wrench with documentation, copyright 1956. Seemed pretty nice, so I bought both. The shop-built box is 3ply 1/4” pine. Must have been made by a non-subscriber to the “measure twice” school of thought, because there are two whittled-out reliefs for the wings. Otherwise, I admire the craftsmanship.

:thumbup: Very nice!
 

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I have a thing for these small parts pickeruppers, magic fingers, handy tool holders, whatever you want to call them. At 4 inches in length, this BONNEY K4, just picked up this morning at the flea market, is the shortest one I own.
 

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Latest eBay item I got is a T720 3/8ths breaker bar. NOS as not a mark on it.
 

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Found a few Bonney items so far this weekend. Ones an Old wrench with out size markings. Just the Bonney name on it. Pretty big openings. Next a pair of pliers with a spring and a bent shaped nose. Snap ring pliers? And a Bonaloy tappet, and a 4086 speedster 1/2 drv
 

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Yeah, RagTop, I very recently found a Duro pliers just like those Bonney's and I thought they were snap ring pliers, too. Someone chimed in and revealed what they really are for but I can't remember what or where.
 

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Yeah, RagTop, I very recently found a Duro pliers just like those Bonney's and I thought they were snap ring pliers, too. Someone chimed in and revealed what they really are for but I can't remember what or where.

Are they not lockring pliers?

yup they look identical to those. I have no clue what they are for. Or the big open end wrench.
 

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yup they look identical to those. I have no clue what they are for. Or the big open end wrench.


I am not sure if we are allowed to copy generic web photos onto here, but seeing as how the jaw tips are grooved on the outside face- I am guessing they open lock rings that are not snap rings with holes in the tabs for snap ring pliers. Lock rings either flat or round section ones- often had right angle tabs at the end that these plier jaws would fit between, then closing the handles open the jaws thus opening the lock ring?
 

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Got another ratchet off eBay today
 

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Snap ring, lock ring, snap lock ring, they're all the same thing, and these pliers are used to spread them for removal. If that's a B21 I see around the pivot, that is the correct part number in the Bonney catalogs. From the "USA" (vs. "MADE IN U.S.A.") period, so after 1947.
 

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I am not sure if we are allowed to copy generic web photos onto here, but seeing as how the jaw tips are grooved on the outside face- I am guessing they open lock rings that are not snap rings with holes in the tabs for snap ring pliers. Lock rings either flat or round section ones- often had right angle tabs at the end that these plier jaws would fit between, then closing the handles open the jaws thus opening the lock ring?

I see, I havenrt used them much other than taking them off the rear axle of my riding mower once in a while. Now I know!

Snap ring, lock ring, snap lock ring, they're all the same thing, and these pliers are used to spread them for removal. If that's a B21 I see around the pivot, that is the correct part number in the Bonney catalogs. From the "USA" (vs. "MADE IN U.S.A.") period, so after 1947.

Thanks Lugz! and yes sir it is a B21 indeed! Any clue about the DOE short wrench with the big openings?
 

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Any clue about the DOE short wrench with the big openings?
It is a very early (c. 1914-1921) machinery wrench, made of malleable iron. They came in sets of six (6). Is that a defect or a forged-in letter on the shank near the one head? The three (3) largest wrenches in the set were No. I: 3/4" x 13/16", No. J: 7/8" x 1", and No. K: 1-1/8" x 1-1/4". If the forged-in letter is not legible, measure the openings. Based on the size, it has to be one of those, and, based on the openings on the tappent wrench next to it, I am guessing that it might be the largest (No. K). See page 33 and 34 in the 1914 catalog on Tools Archive for more.
 

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I just remembered you were having registration issues. Here ya go, just in case those have not been resolved... Note that if you bought the whole crate you got a Bonney shop cap and "Jackrabbit" wrench for free. (I'll tell you what, if I ever find a 'Bonney Vises and Tools' shop cap, I would retire from tool collecting and die a happy man! :))
 

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I just remembered you were having registration issues. Here ya go, just in case those have not been resolved... Note that if you bought the whole crate you got a Bonney shop cap and "Jackrabbit" wrench for free. (I'll tell you what, if I ever find a 'Bonney Vises and Tools' shop cap, I would retire from tool collecting and die a happy man! :))

wow how cool! Now I have the rest of the set to look for! and a Hat for you!! thanks Lugz!
 
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