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Ever since I used the Snap on version of this kind of line wrench I have found them the best for flare nut work. I have recently picked up new old stock E16FC and E20FC wrenches and want to fill the set. Will enjoy replacing the sub par DOE flare nut wrenches I currently use.
Thanks for posting the set.
 

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On steel nuts in tight quarters, I find the Loc-Rite feature very helpful. It is also useful on a partially rounded-over nut.

The wrenches with the thick engagement surfaces really work well on soft nuts and especially over-torqued nuts!
 

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Ever since I used the Snap on version of this kind of line wrench I have found them the best for flare nut work. I have recently picked up new old stock E16FC and E20FC wrenches and want to fill the set. Will enjoy replacing the sub par DOE flare nut wrenches I currently use.
Thanks for posting the set.
I love that set and used it a lot for flare nut work. One the best and even IMHO better then any other companies tools and I have tried the other brands and they all could not do what that set did in not damaging lines and nuts. I at least have the set and if I had doubles in it I would have tried to help you complete the set but I have only the single wrench in each size on that set.
 

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I love that set and used it a lot for flare nut work. One the best and even IMHO better then any other companies tools and I have tried the other brands and they all could not do what that set did in not damaging lines and nuts. I at least have the set and if I had doubles in it I would have tried to help you complete the set but I have only the single wrench in each size on that set.
I appreciate that. You seem to be really good at sniffing them out on the auction site. If I may ask, next time you see one pop up, shoot me a pm? I seem to miss them, which might be a good thing, because I might have run you up on them if I had seen them.
 

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Wednesday, I picked these two at a flea. The date code on the wrench is worn down enough, I’m uncertain whether it’s AP or JV.
1BC94F7A-4011-4326-952B-E4B1FF3B5721.jpegI don’t recall whether the big V and dots is always oriented the same as the date code (so Jan1938), or whether it could be upside-down (Oct1944). Same era, either way.
 

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I'm going to drop this one here instead of the "hot deal" thread, because I know there are more than one of you collecting a couple of the brands included in this whacky grab bag: https://www.ebay.com/itm/114891767025
(Just a wild guess, but that 3/8" drive ratchet visible in a couple of the shots looks like a 77JC Thorsen or (possibly) a 5150 Proamerica.)

edit: after enlarging the photos to satiate my curiosity:
the 3/8" breaker is JS Technology (Alpharetta, GA)(military contract supplier)
the sockets appear to be a mix of mostly JS Technology and some late production (US) Thorsen.
 
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I got this double box end wrench Part number 2811 a 1" X 1 1/8" wrench today from eBay.
 

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More eBay stuff came in this afternoon and a oddball size a 19/32" half inch drive short socket and a MTHL14 a 3/8" drive deep socket
 

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Against my intuition, I set up at a flea market today to sell some orphans. I really wanted to go to a garage sale about 3 miles from me that ran from 7-12.
I had committed to the flea market and it got hot fast once the sun cleared the trees so I packed up and tried to beat feet to the sale I regretted not going to.
I got there at 12:20. Too late. Literally nothing left. I pushed the guy to see if he wanted to sell anything else, no dice, but he gave me an empty Herbrand tin gratis.
I asked if he had any Bonney stuff. He stopped in his tracks and told me that was all he sold today. His family was apparently this area’s distributor for Bonney, Herbrand, and Utica and everything he sold today was new old stock in the original packaging.
I went back to my truck to vomit. No more setting up to sell for me. I’ll put my stuff on eBay from now on.
I guess the good part is that I made $47 and didn’t spend a grand.
Lesson learned.
 
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More eBay stuff came in this afternoon and a oddball size a 19/32" half inch drive short socket and a MTHL14 a 3/8" drive deep socket

Years ago I snagged several 19/32" Loc-Rites in 3/8" drive as I was having trouble securing a metric set and I know 19/32" is close to 15mm. Can't be without a 15mm! But I keep the the 19/32"ers around as good substitutes for rusty bolts.
 

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Years ago I snagged several 19/32" Loc-Rites in 3/8" drive as I was having trouble securing a metric set and I know 19/32" is close to 15mm. Can't be without a 15mm! But I keep the the 19/32"ers around as good substitutes for rusty bolts.
Yep hammer it on apply heat back the nut off
 

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I found something in the wild today that I did not know Bonney ever produced during the Triangle era. A MV5.5 which is a 1/4" 5.5MM socket. The real surprise was the fact I was going through a bin of loose sockets in the local pawn shop and I noticed the distinctive Bonney chrome and picked this socket out. I knew instantly it was a Bonney because of the chrome finish and grove near the base of the socket. Now to find a deep well Bonney 5.5 MM that might be a bit hard.

In the adjacent bin I found a ZA14 Bon-E-Con 7/16ths 1/2" drive socket that was not as interesting but I grabbed it anyway. Not a bad price for the 2 sockets of 50 cents.
 

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Didn't know Bonney made that size either. Very cool!
When got my initial set of Bonney 1/4" sockets in the early 1980's I got from 5-13 MM with a skip at 5.5 MM. It never bothered me as I never found anything until a couple years ago that required a 5.5 MM. I guess after I bought Bonney must of done a limited run of the 5.5 MM's.
 

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Now to find a deep well Bonney 5.5 MM that might be a bit hard.
As far as I can tell Bonney never produced a 5.5 MM deep well socket. I checked the catalogs from 1977, and 1981 that I have stored on my computer and few other areas and that socket was never offered in these two catalogs. In my 1986 catalog is the first time I saw the 5.5 MM regular socket listed. If I could find later catalogs I still check but for now it appears to be a dead end. The 1977 and the 1981 catalogs both start at 6 MM for the 1/4" drive sockets and the 1986 catalog starts at 5 MM in the deep well sockets but no 5.5. That seems to match why I never got a 5.5 MM in the sockets as I got my set in 1983. I did get a 5 MM in regular 1/4" then and my deep well set started at 6 MM.
 
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We had a convo over the metric 1/4dr sockets in Dec2017-Jan2018. It seems Bonney did produce 5 & 5.5mm sockets for government contract, and I would assume special order.
 
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We had a convo over the metric 1/4dr sockets in Dec2017-Jan2018. It seems Bonney did produce 5 & 5.5mm sockets for government contract, and I would assume special older.
OK here goes.

Item 1. The regular 5 MM and 5.5 MM socket is listed and offered in the Bonney 1986 catalog. It was NOT offered in the 1977 or the 1981 catalogs I have and I never really noticed it before. Since that is the case I believe there was no contract from the government but Bonney did expand the set after I bought my set in 1983. I purchased the 5 MM socket in 1986 and replaced the 5 MM in 2019 after breaking my original socket and got the 5 MM from eBay. After discovering the 5.5 MM in a pawn shop earlier in the week I expanded this set. My original set for the regular size sockets in 1/4" was from 6-14 MM and that is what I have without the addition of the 5 and 5.5 MM sockets

Item 2. The deep well 5 MM was offered in the the 1986 catalog BUT NOT the 5.5 MM socket. I later on purchased the 5 MM deep well socket in 2019 from eBay but my original set went from 6-14 MM. I lost my 14 MM sometime after buying the set and have not yet located the replacement. So I doubt that the fact the deep well 5.5 was ever produced to the GENERAL MECHANICAL FIELD as I have never seen a 5.5 deep well and I am NOT talking about a government contract for such a small amount of usage as it just doesn't make sense to have such a limited production when other companies already offered that size.

Please review the attached picture of my set

Edit. The fact is I have been unable to locate, find a catalog after the 1986 catalog and Bonney MIGHT of added the 5.5 MM deep well 1/4" socket at a later date but I am doubtful on that fact.
 

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As NSN 5120010560871 was established in Feb1978, I had reasoned the Bonney sets so marked must have been produced thereabouts/thereafter, and assumed the assignment of a NSN indicated some supply need relating to government use.
I am not involved nor at all familiar with any part of this, so I suppose my reasoning and assumptions must be flawed as a result.
 
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One source I looked at gave B1075M as one of four supplier part numbers for the sets, which resembles Bonney part numbers for socket sets.
However, the latest catalog pdf I currently have access to (1977) shows NO metric 1/4dr sockets AT ALL, just 3/8dr & 1/2dr, with the smallest opening 6mm, so this is nonresearchable for me.
 

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NSN 5120010560871 I agree is for sockets but regular length according to one website I copied and pasted on google the National Stock Number you provided. This is not the deep well 5.5 socket and that is my focus. I agree that this does exist and this stock number did and still does exist as the military Army, Navy, Air Force, GAO and Coast Guard all used general purpose fleet vehicles built just like any other large organizations as I did work on these vehicles when I was active duty Air Force and yes we did have a need for metric tools at that time as it was in the transition of when vehicles were going from SAE fasteners to metric fasteners on vehicles. I would know about the fact vehicles were a mess back then as you never knew when you find a metric fastener on the late 1970's and early 1980''s vehicles as you be assembling or disassemble a vehicle and putting along with SAE fasteners and suddenly hit a entire string of fasteners that were metric.
 

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I use 5.5mm all the time. Very common size these days. Ford started using it in early 90s on the Taurus. Gm followed suit using it on blower motor screws, trim screws etc...
 

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5.5mm = 0.216535"
7/32" = 0.2188"
Difference = 0.002265"

I can see why Bonney might have passed on making a 5.5mm deep socket!
I can see why less then .003 of a difference and the 7/32 socket likely would get the fastener off anyway. I probably did remove 5.5 MM with a 7/32 often and not even realized that they were actually 5.5 MM
 

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IN other news today a replacement Bonney 9/16" wrench P/N 1116 arrived today in the mail via a winning bid on eBay. My 9/16" wrench has severe rusting and pitting after I left next to a battery years ago for 6 months.
 

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A short brisk walk around the flea this morning netted a small haul that included this antique gem of a find. The "PAT. FEB 24 1920" marking refers to the Design Patent (D54,516) issued to Joseph Durham on that date.

It's not the first on the thread, believe it or not. LesserSon posted one back in 2017 (page 23, post #899).

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Found a 1027A Bonney Bonaloy wrench today at a thrift store with a J*Y date code. I don't know much about it but I let the wrench follow me home
 

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Lugz, I thought that was a grease cap remover pliers!

But who re-greases wheel bearings anymore? Aren't they all "lifetime lubricated by the manufacturer"? :ROFLMAO:
 

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It does both. Marked "Battery Terminal and Grease Cup Pliers" and described and illustrated in use for both in the catalog. See pics again.
Actually we had similar pliers when I was in Air Force and they were handy for multiple uses. The teeth were aggressive enough to mill down the lead spot of battery’s, pull various rubber caps and metal caps. I never had a real use once I left the Air Force and never even thought of them since. But a lot of military spec vehicles had a need for them. The commercially available vehicles did not really use them.
 

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Got this from eBay and actually surprised by the condition. It was in perfect for a tubing cutter. Part number RF-59. I never bought one for my set in 1983 as I already had a Gould tubing set.
 

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Picked up a descent sized lot on ebay of "B-Hex" , BonECon, and Triangle era stuff. This open gear ratchet is awesome! Great quality, a nicer feel than the Thorsens I've used. BonECon flat head screwdriver is pretty sweet too! Oh and not in the pics another 1/4" sae set with a driver. Heres some pics...


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