I'm the person who got the ratchet stub from Mikeske. And I'm currently working on making it into a genuine stubby ratchet that looks decent. Internals are whisper clean and quite stiff, probably unused or used very little. If the stubby idea doesn't pan out it'll be a spare rebuild kit for one of my other four Bonney T-702K's.
Spreading the Bonney affliction!
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BlakeTheCarGuy
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I got the wrenches from him. I’ll try and get them posted just been so busy and tired. Hopefully will have them posted this week.
BlakeTheCarGuy
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Here are the wrenches that I’m a new owner of now. Will look great in my collection.
twertsy
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You must have missed mine then.............or skipped it because you already have one?
All, lots more Bonney, Plomb, Blackhawk, and some other extraneous goodies like NOS Mustang, Williams, Blue Point, etc. headed to the bay this Friday evening. Stay tuned!
OK, here's where I'm at with my Bonney "stubby" project.
I found a suitable aluminum fitting at a local electronics surplus store. They have all sorts of stuff in there - even aviation parts! This fitting was in that section. I cut and ground it to make it more user friendly, then epoxied it onto the stub. Being a stubby it won't be subjected to alot of torque so I skipped putting a set screw in it. Nice size, not too small, rounded hex flats give decent grip. Though I may just put some heat shrink tubing on the "handle". But here it is now.
I found a suitable aluminum fitting at a local electronics surplus store. They have all sorts of stuff in there - even aviation parts! This fitting was in that section. I cut and ground it to make it more user friendly, then epoxied it onto the stub. Being a stubby it won't be subjected to alot of torque so I skipped putting a set screw in it. Nice size, not too small, rounded hex flats give decent grip. Though I may just put some heat shrink tubing on the "handle". But here it is now.
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Being on a roll I decided to continue my tool modding and make a finger ratchet based on the Bonney ratchets. Had a 3/8" torque wrench that I bought for $8 just the ratchet head. The head is very small, and the gear assembly will fit into the standard Bonney 1/4" drive ratchet. (I've got one - really compact 3/8"!)
Anyway I have this bucket of "parts waiting for a project". I grab all sorts of handles, knobs, brackets, castings, whatever I find at estate sales that looks useful I grab and throw in this bucket. Well, I had this Grohe plastic knob which I found out is some sort of water fixture for kitchen use. Very tough plastic. The TW head fits into it perfectly. The hollow fingers actually hold the forged stub nicely with some grinding, and will give great finger grip. Epoxied it in there, and now I'll have a 3/8" finger ratchet. I could have made it smaller, but with arthritis setting in there is now such a thing as too small. Plus I can swap out the gear for a 1/4" drive in the future if need be. Probably with spray it with a coat of that Flex Seal aerosol, to give it a sticking grip. Probably will help with using it. But at the present stage it looks like this:
Anyway I have this bucket of "parts waiting for a project". I grab all sorts of handles, knobs, brackets, castings, whatever I find at estate sales that looks useful I grab and throw in this bucket. Well, I had this Grohe plastic knob which I found out is some sort of water fixture for kitchen use. Very tough plastic. The TW head fits into it perfectly. The hollow fingers actually hold the forged stub nicely with some grinding, and will give great finger grip. Epoxied it in there, and now I'll have a 3/8" finger ratchet. I could have made it smaller, but with arthritis setting in there is now such a thing as too small. Plus I can swap out the gear for a 1/4" drive in the future if need be. Probably with spray it with a coat of that Flex Seal aerosol, to give it a sticking grip. Probably will help with using it. But at the present stage it looks like this:
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Oldtuleguy
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Very nice finger ratchet, and cheap to boot! Got this sparkplug gapper in a tool lot. Marked in inches and millimeters.
Mikeske
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Yes getting and passing stuff around for us Bonney collectors is a good thing. Sorry if I had been around much as I had to attend to family matters. I may not be on much for a while but will try to get on when I can until I resolve the family matters.
Private Lugnutz
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I like it. What did you do? Thread a hex nut on the end and then shrink wrap the rubber over it?
Mikeske
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See post #4126 above. It was an aircraft air or hydraulic fitting that I modified and shrunk the tubing over it.
I decided to take a family pic of my Bonney 3/8" drive ratchets.
Top to bottom:
Stubby rat mod
Finger rat mod
3/8" anvil in 1/4" body
(3) standard 3/8" rats - beater, decent, NOS
3/8" flex rats (new style and older style)
Mind you I don't really like Bonney ratchets all that much. But how could I call myself Bonneyman if I didn't have any?
Top to bottom:
Stubby rat mod
Finger rat mod
3/8" anvil in 1/4" body
(3) standard 3/8" rats - beater, decent, NOS
3/8" flex rats (new style and older style)
Mind you I don't really like Bonney ratchets all that much. But how could I call myself Bonneyman if I didn't have any?
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And while I was digging out my ratchets I came across my Bonney tool "orphanage" and had some new additions to put in there. This roll is for all those partial sets, loners, stragglers, and orphan tools. Figured this was a s good a time as any to add those few tools and take pics.
It's getting a bit crowded!
It's getting a bit crowded!
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four.cycle
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I don't want to steal Todd's thunder here, but this was just listed and I figured one of you gentlemen would want to know.
I've done a couple deals with this seller. Last purchase we worked out a deal on multiple items, discounts on which varied from 5% to 23%.
YMMV
He apparently bought out the distressed inventory from a hardware store (or warehouse) and has a mess of NOS oddballs well worth taking a look at. There should be a way to exclude "screws" from the search results when you look at all his items.
I've done a couple deals with this seller. Last purchase we worked out a deal on multiple items, discounts on which varied from 5% to 23%.
YMMV
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He apparently bought out the distressed inventory from a hardware store (or warehouse) and has a mess of NOS oddballs well worth taking a look at. There should be a way to exclude "screws" from the search results when you look at all his items.
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Private Lugnutz
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Not to be dismissive of the loners, stragglers, and orphans, but I am more interested in the roll-up, bman!
Which of the wrenches, if any, were original to the pouch? It dates to the mid to late 1970's. The "ratchet" in the set name usually refers to the snap-over action type with the hinged lower jaw made by Imperial, Stride, and even Herbrand during the Triangle era. For tube fittings, valves, nuts and bolts. What is the marking under the NSN? I can make out "Imperial" and that's about it. Secondly, what are the markings on the bottom of each pocket? I can make out the sizes at the top, but not the markings on the bottom.
Found an "A" S-wrench in the wild of the steel mill today. Thanks to LesserSon for letting me know these are Bonney
Hit & miss today at the flea - stoked to find a “C” S-wrench, but it is missing a bit. I already had an “A” S-wrench, but I couldn’t separate these two.
1729 DOE from Aug1927 (HS).
1023 from Sep1942 (IT) - I have not seen the stamp on the shaft (instead of cheek) before.
Left-behinds: I pawed through a dozen USMC machine wrenches, hoping to find similar-looking “Ford-owners” wrenches, to no avail.
d42jeep
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I spotted this odd socket at a yard sale on Saturday. After getting it home and taking a closer look, I discovered the faint Bonney marking and the part number. I have to assume it’s an early refrigeration socket to be used with a female drive refrigeration ratchet.
-Don
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Oldtuleguy
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That's a fridge socket
I got that pouch off of the classifieds some years ago. Back then I was into the "tool roll" thing. It was nice condition and only a few bucks. So, none of the tools in it were original to it.Not to be dismissive of the loners, stragglers, and orphans, but I am more interested in the roll-up, bman!
Which of the wrenches, if any, were original to the pouch? It dates to the mid to late 1970's. The "ratchet" in the set name usually refers to the snap-over action type with the hinged lower jaw made by Imperial, Stride, and even Herbrand during the Triangle era. For tube fittings, valves, nuts and bolts. What is the marking under the NSN? I can make out "Imperial" and that's about it. Secondly, what are the markings on the bottom of each pocket? I can make out the sizes at the top, but not the markings on the bottom.
It's packed away in my deep storage so I don't have instant access to it at this time. Next time I open up the stash I'll try and get that nomenclature info for ya.
Ricky Joe
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Goes with this ratchet!
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Private Lugnutz
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Thanks.
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Hmm. The model numbers agree with what’s shown on p13 of the 1923 catalog. But the “DROP FORGED” and lack of Bonney logos is not typical of Bonney. Possibly 600-series designated S-wrenches made by more than one manufacturer. More catalog research, or someone who has branded versions may tell.
Private Lugnutz
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Those numbers are not unique to Bonney. They are Williams model numbers. I'm not saying those were made by Williams. In fact they seem as atypical for Williams as much as Bonney with those raised letter DROP FORGED markings.
They remind me of these straight DOEs, which I see frequently and don’t usually buy, unless included in an unsorted mass. Some of these are from numbered sets, some aren’t, and don’t have any marks indicating opening sizes, nor model numbers. They have “MADE IN U.S.A.” on the reverse.
Ricky Joe
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I think those might be Walden, by the shape of the shank and the lack of manufacturer name. They look close, anyway. Mine could be, but no Made in USA and shank has a different profile. Color is close, though.
They remind me of these straight DOEs, which I see frequently and don’t usually buy, unless included in an unsorted mass. Some of these are from numbered sets, some aren’t, and don’t have any marks indicating opening sizes, nor model numbers. They have “MADE IN U.S.A.” on the reverse.
You notice that your 661 B has no hyphen, and the openings are stamped on the reverse, rather than raised on the front? I would think that indicates a different age, if not a different manufacturer. I sort of feel the same about the smallest guy in my pic - the geometry of the heads and the proportion of the shank are dissimilar to the other two. Maybe Waldens all, but really, these are anonymous wrenches that any drop forge facility could have produced. An unbranded tool has to have some distinctive/proprietary element to be attributable to a specific manufacturer, don’t you think?
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Private Lugnutz
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Bridgeport is also a possibility.
Private Lugnutz
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I picked up this partial combo set at the flea today. Later than I collect. Somebody school me. Are these 1950's? Pre-conglomeration? And look at the largest wrench. It's like they flattened the bubble logo and filled in the grooves. Maybe a replacement by the PO, or maybe the set came that way in a time of transition, huh? Also, maybe you 'later' collectors don't notice, because you're not handling earlier wrenches, but these things have some THICK shanks. Going in the flippety-flip-flip-flip pile.
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Streamline begins 1949 (also Fred S Durham’s death), continues to 1962, when Outline picks up, lasting to introduction of Full Polish in 1967 (also Fred S Durham II’s death).
Yes, I think a transition with mixed sets is likely. Since the date codes fade out around 1959 (on combos), it would be hard to demonstrate with physical evidence only. A pristine NOS tool roll set would maybe prove it.
Yes, I think a transition with mixed sets is likely. Since the date codes fade out around 1959 (on combos), it would be hard to demonstrate with physical evidence only. A pristine NOS tool roll set would maybe prove it.
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Private Lugnutz
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Roger.
They remind me of these straight DOEs, which I see frequently and don’t usually buy, unless included in an unsorted mass. Some of these are from numbered sets, some aren’t, and don’t have any marks indicating opening sizes, nor model numbers. They have “MADE IN U.S.A.” on the reverse.
I believe these are Vlceck. I have a few as well and same no size markings or manufacture markings. Lugs posted a set in the "Kit wrenches"
thread i was just reading except his have markings.
Post #51 here...
Kit Wrenches, Auto Kit and others
Next up is a kit by Dunlap. These wrenches are the only ones that the wrenches themselves are marked with the manufacturers name, Dunlap.
www.garagejournal.com
Edit... these could also be a Norivell Wrench set as well.
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Spotted this 661A today and bought it…well, not sure why. I was buying any S-wrench for a while, but lately focusing on just Bonney. I’ll see if I have any like it, whether it seems to be Vlchek, and go from there.
Mikeske
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When I was at Boeing for the last ten years I was at the company they provided all tools to the assemblers/mechanics and laser numbering like that identified what tool kit it came out. So if a assembler looses a tool and it found later it can be traced to the toolkit. I don't know how it applies to that particular tool but if it is a SAE socket I am going to say it likely came out of a aviation tool kit.
Also some sockets. This LT20 has an interesting laser-engraved number.