Spreading the Bonney affliction!

[four.cycle]

seemed a bit steep, yeah... but they're fairly uncommon, if I'm not mistaken....

 

[Oldtuleguy]

It's not too bad. Everything seems to have gone up recently.

 

[four.cycle]

I have no clue. I don't collect Bonney. I'm just the messenger!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I've noticed ebay stuff in general has gone up. The new 600$ threshold for for taxes, general inflation and just plain rarity of older stuff has driven up prices.

 

[Mintgrun]

The openings on this wrench measure 3/4" and 9/16", which seems like an odd combination. The sizes are not marked on the wrench. There's no part number either. They didn't even stamp Bonney on it. What you see is all you get.





If I understand their date codes correctly, this A.P example must have been made in January, 1924. (please correct me if I am wrong)



Tom

 

[LesserSon]

9/16x3/4 is Bonney model 1728, which is an industry standard 728 engineer wrench in CV alloy.
I think 1938, because in 1924 they were still forging the B-shield and “Made in USA” on the shank.
Sometimes they missed getting stamped. I don’t think it indicates a deliberate omission (like a QC issue), because they would have ground off the CV forging.

 

[four.cycle]

Bonney magneto wrenches - FYI

 

[bryanrj]

Bonney TD11B set only missing the T14 socket and the T760 universal. The ratchet is a T35 (1957 catalog lists it as a T701). There was a numbering change on ratchet, swivel, and extensions between the catalog M1 from 1951 and catalog 57-s, six years later. I imagine there were some T35s that were put into the TD11B sets during the changeover. Found at Get-A-Grip, Washington NJ.

There was an extra T16 and a T22 (not normally in that set) in the box.

 

[bonneyman]

I have no clue. I don't collect Bonney. I'm just the messenger!

Well, there is that saying about not killing the messenger!

 

[humber2]

This group of 4000 series sockets was amongst a small tub of sockets I took the opportunity to purchase. 7/16 to 7/8 with many gaps.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Repainted and stickered a rusty box for some old stuff I've been collecting

 

[Private Lugnutz]

If that's just a rattle can, OTG, you picked out a very nice shade of brown to emulate what Bonney called "crackle tan enamel." I don't have anything to refinish right now, but I'd be interested in knowing your choice for future consideration.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

It was a rattle can I had, I'll look at the exact can when I get home. I was happy with the color match, and had fun painting it so all in all a success. I base krinkle coated it gray and shot the brown on too soon and some of my krinkle collapsed! I guess I should have waited a couple more hours...

 

[Straightgrain]

I picked up this 1/4 drive set (V series circa 1941-1950) at an estate sale last week.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I picked up this 1/4 drive set (V series circa 1941-1950) at an estate sale last week.

Nice find. With that particular combination of features (chrome-plated tools, red paint on the box, and that logo), that can confidently be narrowed down to 1946. Wartime tools were not plated. They used a brownish shade they called "tan" on boxes during WWII and switched to red afterward. And the 1946 catalog is the last catalog to feature that logo. The 1947 catalog features a new logo.

 

[Straightgrain]

Thanks for the info.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Looks familiar!

 

[Straightgrain]

Yes it does. Although the tools barely look used, the box is missing all the paint on the outside and a lot of the paint on the inside.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Mine was virtually paintless

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Lugz here is pic of rattle can I used

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Thanks.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

 

[RTM]

Love that “BROWN”. Not fox sable, not adobe, just BROWN.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Just straight flat brown!

 

[Provincial]

OTG, there should be a number on the back side of the can , down low, to indicate the color of the paint.

 

[ar2stp48]

Any way to determine age of a Bonney flat blade screw starter. It is 9 5/8' x 1/4" dia; magnet on one end and split blade (center spring loaded to twist) to grip screw. Top 3" is knurled for grip

I found a ratchet and several sockets but this caught my attention more.

Bonney
No SS-29
Made in USA

 

[RTM]

You could look through the various catalogs here to see where it appears. I suspect they were made by a different company and simply branded Bonney, as I have several which are identical except for the name.

https://archive.org/details/internationaltoolcataloglibrary?query=Bonney&sort=-date

 

[ar2stp48]

Catalog for 1967 and 1963 list and show image of the item 1961 only notes 2 pages of a catalog, and not this tool Catalog for 1960 lists the tool but the image is of a much different design. No catalog listed for '66, '65, '64, or '62,

Thanks for the link to catalogs Early to mid '60's was my guess Not a Bonney collector; these were in a toolbox i picked up at a garage sale a few years ago. Doing some cleaning recently, I discovered them

 

[four.cycle]

FYI only. Bonney wrench set.

 

[Mikeske]

Any way to determine age of a Bonney flat blade screw starter. It is 9 5/8' x 1/4" dia; magnet on one end and split blade (center spring loaded to twist) to grip screw. Top 3" is knurled for grip

I found a ratchet and several sockets but this caught my attention more.

Bonney
No SS-29
Made in USA

I have 2 of the SS 29 Screw starters. I have the newer version of the screw starter that I bought in 1983 with my complete set. I has the screw starter on one end and a magnet on the **** end. The second version I have is an earlier version from the late 1960's I assume as it has no magnet on the **** end. I had always thought that Bonney had bought them from Stanley as they made the regular screw drivers for Bonney. I can be mistaken but I never hardly ever used the screw starters after carbs and distributors went away in vehicles. Edit in reviewing my Bonney catalogs I went to the 1963 page 28 and it had the older design screw starter. The 1967 pg 30, 1970 pg. 47 all had the older design. I then went to the 1977 pg. 65 and had the magnet on the end so sometime just prior to the 1977 catalogBonney had the newer design with he magnets. That is the best I can do with the catalogs as I also have the 1981, 1986 catalogs saved to my computer in scanned PDF's.

 

[ar2stp48]

Excellent . Thanks for the information and taking the time to share

 

[Provincial]

I have three screw starters with that mechanism. Two are knurled aluminum, like yours. One just says "Snap-On", and is 6" long. The other says "AIRCRAFT SPEC." and "LAPEER, MICH." and is 9" long.

The third has a plastic screwdriver-like handle, is 6" overall length, and is marked "ULLMAN DEVICES" "RIDGEFIELD CONN." and "H-23"

I also believe that these were supplied by one source. None have a patent number, so that doesn't help. Ullman still makes a version with the same mechanism, the model D2. They may be the source.

 

[four.cycle]

These two outfits made almost every screw starter out there:

Aircraft / Aircraft Specialties Inc., Lapeer, MI / originally of Philadelphia, PA, moved to Lapeer, MI 1938 by Otto Shaw, acquired by Shaw Enterprises/SE Tools 1995 / (see SE Tools) / patent 2124757 Jul 26 1938 William Vaughan & 3288184 Nov 29 1966 & 3510902 May 12 1970 & 3582123 Jun 1 1971 Smith Kyser / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/smith-kyser-pat-3-582-123.439205/ /

became SE Tools

SE / SE Tools, 415 Howard St., Lapeer, MI 48446 / https://www.setools.com/ / est. 1934 / (see also Shaw Enterprises Inc., Aircraft Specialties Inc.) /

aka "Shaw Enterprises"

Shaw / Shaw Enterprises Inc., Lapeer, MI / (see SE Tools) /

the other primary OEM supplier is Ullman (who also makes picks for Wilde, among others):

Ullman / Ullman Devices Corporation, 664 Danbury Road, Ridgefield CT 06877 / http://www.ullman-devices.com/

List of Manufacturers and Brands of Mechanics Hand Tools

 

[Ricky Joe]

These two outfits made almost every screw starter out there:

Aircraft / Aircraft Specialties Inc., Lapeer, MI / originally of Philadelphia, PA, moved to Lapeer, MI 1938 by Otto Shaw, acquired by Shaw Enterprises/SE Tools 1995 / (see SE Tools) / patent 2124757 Jul 26 1938 William Vaughan & 3288184 Nov 29 1966 & 3510902 May 12 1970 & 3582123 Jun 1 1971 Smith Kyser / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/smith-kyser-pat-3-582-123.439205/ /

became SE Tools

SE / SE Tools, 415 Howard St., Lapeer, MI 48446 / https://www.setools.com/ / est. 1934 / (see also Shaw Enterprises Inc., Aircraft Specialties Inc.) /

aka "Shaw Enterprises"

Shaw / Shaw Enterprises Inc., Lapeer, MI / (see SE Tools) /

the other primary OEM supplier is Ullman (who also makes picks for Wilde, among others):

Ullman / Ullman Devices Corporation, 664 Danbury Road, Ridgefield CT 06877 / http://www.ullman-devices.com/

List of Manufacturers and Brands of Mechanics Hand Tools

Interesting. I have a Shaw wrench. Didn’t know the source.

 

[four.cycle]

if it's a regular "wrench wrench", it probably was made by one of the other Shaws:

Shaw / Shaw Enterprises Inc., Lapeer, MI / (see SE Tools) /

Shaw / Jos. Shaw Co., Toledo, OH / (?) / wrench

Shaw / Shaw Propeller Co., 574 Cambridge St., Allston, MA (Boston) / patent 956280 Apr 26 1910 George Bryar / alligator wrench /

The "Shaw" in Lapeer is a tiny little operation, cranking out screw starters and inspection mirrors for just about everybody. The owner couldn't confirm it, but he did concede that he's probably the one who made my Indestro 2820 "flex driver" tool.

We're getting a long ways from "Bonney" here, but from what I've been able to gather, this little operation in Lapeer, Wisconsin is most likely where that screw starter in your tool box came from, regardless of whose name is stamped on it.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Happy to spot and snag this T4 at the flea this morning. I needed it! Only have the XL T6 in the late prewar/wartime 3/8-drive stuff (see Pic 2). If I could only find the right XL box!

 

[JjKk40]

I picked up this 1/4 drive set (V series circa 1941-1950) at an estate sale last week.

Nice grab! I need that v22 in my life! Lol!

 

[four.cycle]

7 piece single-offset double-box end wrench set WITH OWNER MARKS $50.00 + $12.79 shipping (listed 12/07/22 00:38 PST)

 

[JjKk40]

Picked up a couple Bonney things rescemtly. Another brown box, I think it is an earlier version for the RF81 box. Then a sweet, pre '47 Tommy bar and a black oxide PWA offset box wrench!

 

[Username already in use]

@JjKk40 nice box. The label is in great shape too. Someone must have put the tools in something else and forgotten about the box.