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ahhh... okay... .
my oldest sister has a fancy-schmantzy embroidery machine. I think it does about 24 different colors at once. it's for things like embroidered jackets, baseball caps, the like.
you can feed a photo image into the thing and it will make the pattern and duplicate whatever you feed into it. quite the contraption.
 

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Top three are Gray
bottom two are Blue-Point Supreme
 

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Here is a picture of another Plomb 3426, one month off of yours.
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Here is an Armstrong example D1CA34A6-F8FC-40D6-9D77-ECD56B28A1BF.jpegE51E1073-3EF4-42CF-8920-3E98744F7212.jpeg
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A couple of group shots of all my Herbrand tappet wrenches.599AB5D1-7F50-4581-9DDF-FD39B64471C2.jpegE817D1D6-F51A-4CC5-B0BB-83BDA654EE46.jpeg
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another Plomb 3426, one month off of yours.
The letters don't represent months, Don. They don't go higher than "E" or so, as I recall, during this timeframe. As far as I know, they have not been deciphered.

As long as you brought up the second date code system (4 + unknown letter through 9 + unknown letter = 1934 through 1939), though, I've always thought my set has an interesting spread.

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The set, bought together, from a retired veteran who told me he didn't know when or where he lost the pouch they came in, sure makes you think about a lot more than steel, tools, tappets, and combustion engines.

When it was assembled at the factory by Plomb for sale as a set, it was assembled with a wrench made in 1934, two wrenches made in 1936, two wrenches made 1937, and a wrench made in 1938.

Historically, that actually makes sense. We were just coming out of the Great Depression. From 1934 to early 1937, things were getting a little better. Then there was a sharp downturn in mid-1937, lasting for 13 months through most of 1938, that historians now label a recession. And then things started getting better again, just before WWII.

Point being that it is not at all inconceivable to picture Plomb using new old stock from 1934, 1936, and 1937 - when sales were probably very low - to fill out a set sold in 1938 or perhaps even 1939.

As in many cases, the real value in collecting antique and vintage tools is often in the history going on around them.
 
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Not to get too off topic, I believe that those numerical date codes continue through 1941. Things must have improved by 1939 because my Challenger set has 1939 dates on each tool.
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Here is my small collection of tappet wrenches, I really like the form function of these and grab them whenever I see them, but I don't have many yet. I would guess you all know what these are from the pics but I'll list the numbers as Lugz' recent admonition to make sure posts are searchable made sense to me.

Top one is Armstrong 1092-F (is this actually a tappet wrench?), second is a Bonney 3424 with an interesting strikethrough of the "Zenel" stamp. Then 2 Lectrolite Trufit 8002 and 1 Lectrolite Trufit 8001

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Here's a Proto LA 3426, the next one I'm not sure about being a tappet wrench but it's really thin. It's marked AN8505-7. Then there's a Herbrand H-2, and a Craftsman No. 3 and No. 2.
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Finally here are the few Plomb pieces I have. 2 3440, 3435, 3430, and 3425.

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The clean 3440 and 3430 are recent acquisitions and when I first put them away I thought they seemed a lot thinner than the other wrenches, and was thinking that maybe age of manufacture was a reason for the variation. After a closer look and a couple measurements, the new acquisitions just seem thinner due to more rounded edges. The 3430 and 3425 are quite a bit thinner than the larger sizes but I would guess that's by design. The variation in thickness between the similar sizes is only around 1/64".

Here's a comparison of them held together. My eyes perceive the 3430 as being thinner than the 3425 when in fact it's about 1/64" thicker.
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saukit, your AN-8505 thin DOE is made to a military standard. The standard: AN8505 was issued in 1944. Online, the common thought is that they were made for working on hydraulic fittings. The thin form would not be good for use on aluminum AN-series fittings, but because of the offset they might have been intended for the thin locknut that holds a "bulkhead" fitting in place. Those nuts were half the thickness (or less) than a regular nut, and could be hard to reach in a cluttered installation. Because they are so thin, they can't have been intended for more than "snugging up" a nut. Otherwise, either the wrench or the soft aluminum fitting could be damaged from too much torque.

I have a larger one, and used the 1-1/8 end to repair an ARO air pump for transferring hydraulic fluid just last month. I was the only thing I had that would fit in the narrow slot!
 

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TAPPET ADJUSTING WRENCH SCREW AND NUT

These things have been eating rabbit chow or something. Seems like another one shows up every now and then. But, where did these come from?

They are all marked the same, they are all the same size and shape, and same 9/16” opening.

The Model T, (and later the Model A), have generated quite an aftermarket for dedicated tools. But, as has been noted, they did not come with adjustable tappets.

What would have been the application for these?

Notice that there is a slight difference in markings. Text is placed at various places, which could be explainable, but there are three text variations in size among these four wrenches.

Interestingly, three of them are shown with the punch side facing up, while the fourth one, top in the photo, is shown with the die side up. Lugz example is also die side up.

I wouldn’t expect a die to have been made with multiple stations for this market ‘way back then’. And, making a left and right station for identical items is not something usually done.

Were there multiple suppliers?

How big was this market?

Were these sold by Western Auto or one of their competitors?

What are they for?
 

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A lone example by Hinsdale.
One finished and plated, and the other an unfinished blank.
 

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..... Did you noticed how the markings were applied? They're on tabs that were forge-welded after the wrench was made, which is incredible. ......
Honestly Lugz I have the wrenches in hand and it sure looks like the text is in the die.
Looks as if the dies had been marked and then a 'change order' came down from the powers that be. Who knows. Might have misspelled "tappet" or something. The dies were already sunk and close to finished so the old text was crudely obliterated and the dies re-stamped. The 'pads' were deep enough to wipe out the previous text and then the new stamping applied. Just my opinion.
 
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Thanks Provincial for that information! I'm pretty sure I may have a couple others somewhere, I'll have to go digging for them.
 

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TAPPET ADJUSTING WRENCH SCREW AND NUT

These things have been eating rabbit chow or something. Seems like another one shows up every now and then. But, where did these come from?

They are all marked the same, they are all the same size and shape, and same 9/16” opening.

The Model T, (and later the Model A), have generated quite an aftermarket for dedicated tools. But, as has been noted, they did not come with adjustable tappets.

What would have been the application for these?

Notice that there is a slight difference in markings. Text is placed at various places, which could be explainable, but there are three text variations in size among these four wrenches.

Interestingly, three of them are shown with the punch side facing up, while the fourth one, top in the photo, is shown with the die side up. Lugz example is also die side up.

I wouldn’t expect a die to have been made with multiple stations for this market ‘way back then’. And, making a left and right station for identical items is not something usually done.

Were there multiple suppliers?

How big was this market?

Were these sold by Western Auto or one of their competitors?

What are they for?

The angle looks good for flathead applications
 

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Here is a grouping of 3 styles of King **** tappet spanners.

All are Whitworth sizes

The top pair are cad plated Chrome Vanadium, each have sizes 3/16 and 1/4 and reversed to make a pair.

Evidently i’m Missing the next size up pair to complete this set.

The middle pair make up 1/2 a set of Chrome plated Chrome Vanadium with the sizes being 3/16 and 1/4 and below it 5/16 and 3/8.

But you may spot that the larger one’s 3/8 jaw is stamped 5/8.

Clearly Quality Control we’re asleep that day.

The bottom stamped out pair are only stamped King **** and feature offset jaws at each end with no sizing.

I see the need for another group of these to make up a set to struggle with.

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Pretty much the only difference between your Vlchek marked Alloy Steel 92 and mine is the lack of the Vlchek name on mine and the little casting number.
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Pretty much the only difference between your Vlchek marked Alloy Steel 92 and mine is the lack of the Vlchek name on mine and the little casting number.
That reminds me of something I have said before (on the Vlchek thread) that I meant to address when I posted my set.

If one is trying to collect a perfectly matching set of these, one is in for a challenge. The marking variations within a fairly tight production era are legion. When I posted photos of my near-complete set (I only need a single 94, guys!!!!!), linked here, I stacked the pairs very strategically. All the wrenches on top have the 'CHROME MOLYBDENUM' marking on the shank and only the 'MADE IN U.S.A.' marking on the major face, with nary a 'VLCHEK' marking in sight. The wrenches underneath are not as consistent. :)
 
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Could very well be. Before anyone else feels compelled to post their mid- to late-1930's sets with matching date codes, though, let me qualify that I didn't mean to suggest that my tappet wrenches were representative. By the same token, neither are the matching sets. If you know anything about statistical relevance, we will never achieve it. Whether because of the hard times, or the type of wrenches, or a combination, it seems as if there are sets of tools they were making and selling in tight cycles, and some that they were making and selling in longer cycles. I'm good enough with that for now.
 
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Most wrenches are dated 1935, one is 1932, one 1934, and one 1936.
So are you concluding the long pattern 15* angle DBE's were harder to sell, too? Or are you thinking this set lends credence to the idea that it might be more fickle than that or attributed to the economy, in general? I'm convinced no matter how many sets of tools we examine here (and I do NOT mean this thread, which would be a major side-track...), we would find that some were matching and some not, and the new old stock probably due to the economy. But it's not worth arguing about.

By the way - that is a fantastic set. WOW! :thumbup:
 
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Are those VLCHEK examples a little thicker than most tappet wrenches?
Good question, Tom!

The shanks aren't, but Vlchek heads are slightly thicker than most tappet wrench heads, which lifts them off a flat surface a little higher, especially when pictured with other tappet wrenches, making the shanks seem thicker.

Here are three Vlchek 92 wrenches from different eras, in chronological order from top to bottom, illustrating the marking variants, and examining shank thickness:

CM with parabolic heads and the CM branding on the face of the major jaw
CM with pear heads, the CM branding on the shank, and MADE IN U.S.A. on the face of the major jaw
Alloy Steel with the AS marking on the shank and VLCHEK MADE IN U.S.A. on the face of the major jaw

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And here are a bunch of wrenches. the top one is a Crafsman CI. I don't feel like mic'ing them, mainly because I'm lazy, but also because it's just a snapshot. A true, scientific study would required a mess of wrenches and a mess of measurements, and I am not that motivated.

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Phew! Lugz, you hit a gusher of tappet wrenches. Seems everyone has some in their tool crypts.
I read your rant on typing, so I will add/edit sizes, etc after posting the pics.
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DuroCrome
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I have some Vlchek, but not much. I may have S-O/B-P; I’ll have to look.
Bonney Zenel
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Bonney 420-series
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Bonney 412 set in metal box
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The obliterated decal on the outside of the box was 1-1/8”x2-3/4”. The paired wrenches range in production date code from July 1929(gu) to April 1930(dv): 402, 403, 404, 405.

Bonney 400-series (at some point I had these in chronological order, but not in this photo).
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