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Amity, CodeRed, Lowbuck, Ody and Oldmerc...thanks guys. Odis...you picked up on that detail. Good eye.

This evening:

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Got the windows in. I don't think that's all optical illusion...I figured out there is some bow to the door rails. I think its the header sagging as well...****. Didn't notice before.
Its not enough to really affect anything...other than it makes me cranky. Nothing else is straight on this garage...why should this be any different! LOL
 

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That is some really good carpenting skills! I like it a lot :)

ditto!

I hate to be the one to mention it but you realize that now you need to paint that upper part of the front of your garage to make it all match, right? And that wire or whatever it is hanging in front is really pinging my OCD!:bounce:
 
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Vegar,Dan - Thanks guys.

Whaddya mean that paint doesn't match? I don't see it. I don't see any wire either. Must be your eyes Dan...you're always saying how you're getting older and all...







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Small update:

Set out to finish the doors and install some trim around the windows. Went to both big box stores in the next town. They didn't have anything exactly like what I wanted, which was just a simple flat trim, and what they did have was all about $5 per stick and up. Which seems idiotic to me since I can get a decent 2x4-8 for about $2.50. I know, its different, but still. Didn't make any sense to me.

As I walked out of the store, I realized I should just make my own. So that's what I did. Using scrap 1x6 from the door trim, I ripped a bunch of trim for the windows.

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This was the first "project" I completed with the Shopsmith. Pretty cool. Here's the trim installed:

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Another little tidbit I thought might be of interest. When I built the doors, I built them around windows I had bought ahead of time. I had an idea how I was gonna hang them, but when I finally got around to doing it, well, my lack of planning gave me some fits.

Those windows are OLD DRY wood, and so I wasn't gonna drive any nails into them. I could have brad nailed them with some longer 2" brads, but I wanted to be able to remove them if I had any problems with water leaking, etc. I had planned to use pocket screws, but the frames weren't wide enough to accommodate the pocket holes. So I had to get creative:

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Works well enough. I'm sure there's other better ways to do this. I've only hung windows once before and the friend who helped said he would only nail/screw windows from the side to lessen the chances of water intrusion. So that's what I did.
 

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Nice work on the doors fergus. :thumbup: My back door has wood rot and you have given me an option to consider besides buying a new one.

That Shopsmith looks like an early to mid '60's model. And it looks like it has the scroll saw and table saw attachments. Nice score! My dad had one from the early '50's and the motor was more deco style.

As for Dan, I don't think he would see the wire that isn't there if it were painted white.
 
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Thanks Wingnut!

After I got the doors hung, several people came over to have a look. They all had nice compliments for the doors. But, having people around, I realized what a wreck the inside of the garage had become. I was tripping all over stuff...saws on the floor, scrap wood blocking cabinets, sawdust EVERYWHERE. Plus, I bought the Shopsmith without a thought of how much space it would eat up and had no place for all the attachments and blades which were just piled up in milk crates.

So, I decided I would have a free interior remodel of sorts. I had a decent amount of scrap laying around from various other projects, even all the way back to fixing the garage framing, as well as some things from my old place 5 years ago which I'd never put up.

I started with the worst part of the garage, which was the back corner.

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Took about two days, but went from that to this:

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Nearly everything you see came with the Shopsmith (other than the clamps). You can see why I needed someplace to put all this stuff. Scooting back a little further:

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All the lumber I already had, including the 2x10 I used for the shelf. The clamp racks I made up a while ago, but never hung them. The pegboard...I purchased all of it from the cull lumber section at HD over the last 2 years, most for $1 a sheet (usually about a half sheet). I already had all the hooks from my old place. Already had a bunch of screws laying around too. There's more I want to do to the rest of that side of the garage, but I'm coming down with that nasty cold/flu thing that my wife had. Great. Maybe on the weekend.

Here's the really stupid part. Looking at it...it feels a little "too clean". It seems to me that it's all too neat and pretty for a place like this. Especially the white color of the peg board. Maybe I'm nuts...okay I'm probably nuts. I should have painted it while I had the chance. That would have been easy. I likely won't change anything though. Just add more junk to the boards.
 
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So today I'm looking at hanging some trim on the front of the garage to get one step closer to paint.

One thing I'm considering is changing some of the supports. They're pretty wimpy. Just 2x3:

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The only problem is the horizontal piece is actually the tail end of the top plate. I was considering cutting it off flush with the wall and replacing it with a 4x4 to make it look better and more proportionate to the rest of the garage. I guess I'd have to attach it with lag screws run in at an angle...like a pocket screw? Am I just asking for problems?

An alternative would be to sister it with another 2x3 on the bottom. Then I'd have a 4x3. Or something like that. I'm not sure anywhere local even sells 2x3 lumber any more and I'd have to rip some 2x down to get it to match.

I would install new diagonal supports to match.
 

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Any desire for wrought iron/steel fabricated corbels or brackets supported the existing supports?

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Something to match the existing door hardware might be appropriate. Heck, you might even find some iron laying in the barn to be re-purposed for this application! Some piece of equipment just waiting to do the job; adds a bit of whimsy to the front. After all, the garage is 'derelict', isn't it? lol

Just had an additional thought in regard to re-purposed hardware. I've seen somewhere an old metal tractor/wagon wheel 'quartered' to use as a bracket. Just a thought....
 
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Man...why didn't I think of that? You're getting to be more of a scrounger than I am. Must find time to go scavenging.
 

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Instead of laminating another 2 x 3 on to the bottom, you could purchase a 2x6 - cut in the desired detail to the bottom of it, then lag it into the bottom of the 2x3 and the side of the house. I guess it would be thinner than the original dimensional top plate but would still look interesting if you split the difference.

Something like this - just utilize that new bandsaw to cut the bottom of the 2x6 to an appealing profile. Cut the back end to fit the angle of the house. Attach to bottom of existing 2x3.

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There are some outstanding garages on this forum, but for some reason this one draws me in. Thanks for sharing and keep on posting your updates as I look forward to them.
 

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Hi Fergus- I just caught up with this thread. Great progress, and I especially like the doors (of course)! The whole shop has really come along, and I am not surprised at all the compliments. Lots of character, and by no means too clean! You're going to get over that feeling real soon...
 

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What a great thread. Lots of good ideas and all without breaking the bank. Thanks for taking the time to post all of your progress.
 
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Hey 64 Lane! Where you been hiding at? Honda Killer.. Many thanks.

Thruxton.... Glad youre following along. Our garages will share much of the same functions when I get going with my woodwork. Plus your doors got me going on mine.

Tone. Thanks for reading... I plan on keeping it going for quite some time.
 
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So today I'm looking at hanging some trim on the front of the garage to get one step closer to paint.

One thing I'm considering is changing some of the supports. They're pretty wimpy. Just 2x3:

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The only problem is the horizontal piece is actually the tail end of the top plate. I was considering cutting it off flush with the wall and replacing it with a 4x4 to make it look better and more proportionate to the rest of the garage. I guess I'd have to attach it with lag screws run in at an angle...like a pocket screw? Am I just asking for problems?

An alternative would be to sister it with another 2x3 on the bottom. Then I'd have a 4x3. Or something like that. I'm not sure anywhere local even sells 2x3 lumber any more and I'd have to rip some 2x down to get it to match.

I would install new diagonal supports to match.

I like your idea of doubling up the 2x3, but I'd suggest TRIPLING it to a 3x6. The proportions would look better (in my opinion) your diagonal brace could be that heavy too. It's look very vintage to go along with your doors.
 

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"Man...why didn't I think of that? You're getting to be more of a scrounger than I am. Must find time to go scavenging."

Scrounger?!? - I resemble that remark! Heh-heh, I consider the term a noble and worthwhile endeavor. As my dear, departed Mother used to say of herself, "I do not consider myself 'cheap', I am T-H-H-R-R-R-R-I-I-F-F-T-T-Y"! (Said with a 'theatrical' Scottish brogue - lol)

Good Hunting! May the shine shine upon you, may the wind be at your back, and may the 'brackets' rise up to greet you! --- a butchered Scottish toast.
 
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So much for being too clean:

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There's a bunch of things going on lately. Here they are in no particular order.

Got the bandsaw torn apart and cleaned up...at least for now. Found out the only thing mechanically wrong with it was that it was missing one thrust bearing...and Sears still sells them!

The paint was really dirty...covered in crud and some corrosion:

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But I thought there was enough left that it could be saved. Not that it really matters to me, but I thought it would be kinda cool to save the original paint. Though of it more as a learning process for restoring things later on down the line. So first I tried this:

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That got me here:

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I did the top half. It wasn't really cutting it...and that's all I had laying around. Made a trip down to the auto parts store...

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And went to work. Spent at least two hours on this, probably three. I think a major problem was the amount of dirt still on the paint...I tried every cleaner I had and it didn't seem to help. All my rags were instantly dirty. But the end result was okay. Here it is after lots of rubbing compound, then one coat of wax:

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Before/after shot:

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Shined up the knobs too...as best as I could anyway:

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In all her glory (hahaha)

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Threw on a new 1/8" blade and made a little test cut:



Definitely a little vibration. I'm thinking it's just the belt that needs a replacement.
 
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The (nearly) Free Shed.

So I have been adding a few things lately to the garage and it was definitely getting smaller, as Tinbender66 (I think it was) had noted. There was one more fact that I had never dropped on you guys before: I was actually still SHARING this garage with the next door neighbors.

There is two houses on this property, but only one garage. When we moved in, the garage was mostly full of their stuff. They very graciously let me haul a lot of it away - mostly things like old washing machines, scrap wood,etc - so I could park the jeep in there. But basically, one wall was still full of their stuff, and the time for that to change was now.

Also, since fall is here and the rain-is-a-comin, we needed to pull the lawnmowers and rototillers and everything else in for the season. But I wasn't having no kind of lawn equipment plugging up my little garage. NO WAY.

So I set out to build a shed. Not just build a shed, but build it for free. I'd just found out I'd been laid off, so minimal financial impact was the top priority. A close second was making sure it would fit all the neighbors stuff and all the power equipment. So here was the process, in ten easy steps:

Step 1: Get the frame. This involved talking my wife out of the chicken coop I said I would build out of an old sheep pen. Took some trying, but I had my way (for now anyhow)

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Step 2: Lay out the foundation. Or make that an attempt at a foundation. Laugh at yourself after you actually square everything up and layout some twine

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Step 3: Get some gravel. I went over to my inlaws place (they have a small material yard) and bartered some computer help for 2 yards of AB road base.

Step 4: Drive by 3 CHP officers right outside the yard with a seriously overloaded pickup. Smile as you pass by.

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Step 5: Unload half the gravel. Realize you're not 25 anymore. Have some back spasms.

Step 6: Unload the rest of it. Drink several beers. It rains for a couple days. The gravel compacts really well.

Step 7: Set the frame up. Then get sick for with a flu for two weeks and subsequently develop a nasty case of the hives which keeps you from doing much of anything.

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Step 8: Finish the roof. All this roofing metal was used previously on the pen back umpteen years ago when my wife was in FFA...as was the rest of the pen. The joys of galvaninzed metal...this stuff never goes bad!

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Step 9: Scrounge up a bunch more of the rusty tin roof I used on the garage. Hang it up as siding. This worked very well. The stall sections were 12 feet long. The tin roof panels were...12 feet long. I hung it all sideways so I wouldn't spend all my time cutting it.

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Step 10: Work all day long to finish the rest of the siding, including the tricky top cuts with the angles on them. Run to HD and buy some lumber to frame out the top of the gable. (DOH). So much for being free:

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Recruit your wife to help hang rusty jagged tin on the sides. Be reminded you haven't had a tetanus shot lately. Finish driving the last screw just as it gets dark. Then the rain starts for two days.

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It filled up fast...

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All told, I ended up spending $60 for the lumber, a box of sheet metal screws and some metal abrasive blades for the circular saw. Not too shabby for a 12x12 shed. It turned out as well as I hoped it could. Its so nice to get all the yard tools out of the garage in the winter, and also to have so much more space for everything else.

I still need to hang a latch on the door and adjust the door a little bit. Also going to hang a rack on the wall for all the hand tools and probably add some shelves to get a few things off the ground. But its water tight...no leaks at all and its gonna serve me well.
 
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Wow, that was a lot of "stuff" you got out of the garage. You are one of the masters of repurposing! I gotta get back to my scrounging!

That saw looks awesome! Just the right combo of shine and patina. You might try one of those segmented belts. Worked wonders on the table saw and I'm gonna get one for the DP too.
 

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$60.00 for a 12'x12' shed!? Outstanding job Fergus! :thumbup:

How did you tie the 'gable framework' to the goat pen frame, and how are you going to appease the wife since you 'stole' her project materials? lol


P.S. - Good luck on the job situation.
 
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Fergus,

Outstanding job on the band saw, as well as the shed! That is amazing that you were able to build the shed for $60 and repurpose the rest. Looks great to boot!!!

On the band saw refurb, I understand that the 3M EXL wheels can't be beat. I haven't sprung for the $30-40 for one, but I have read quite a lot about them here on GJ. I have a saw almost like yours and will be trying it when I get to my refurb!

Great job!!!!

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Nice job, Fergus! You are a talented and resourceful fellow. So what is growing in the field in back of the yard tool shed? Looks like some serious farming going on. Sorry to hear about the health set back as well as the job. I know you will find other and perhaps more rewarding work near term.

Best,

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Almost all those hand tools in that blue barrel could be flipped over, then add a large sack of sand or two and some of your used motor oil from some past oil changes. no rust. I bet you already know that! great work! very inspiring.
 
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Wow, that was a lot of "stuff" you got out of the garage. You are one of the masters of repurposing! I gotta get back to my scrounging!

That saw looks awesome! Just the right combo of shine and patina. You might try one of those segmented belts. Worked wonders on the table saw and I'm gonna get one for the DP too.

The segmented belt is next on my list. Might cruise on down to (gasp) Harbor Freight and get that 5' length for $25.

$60.00 for a 12'x12' shed!? Outstanding job Fergus! :thumbup:

How did you tie the 'gable framework' to the goat pen frame, and how are you going to appease the wife since you 'stole' her project materials? lol


P.S. - Good luck on the job situation.

DING DING DING.

Ompha, you win the "Powers of Perception" award for asking the most salient and pertinent question. How will I appease the wife? I opened my big dumb fat mouth about how easy this whole thing went up. Guess what? She still wants a chicken coop. I've still got a little bit of this material left, though not what I need. I'll figure it out.

I used pipe clamps to attach the gable bits...at least that's what the guy at the hardware store called them. Maybe they're also called pipe hangers? I'll take a picture tomorrow.

Fergus,

Outstanding job on the band saw, as well as the shed! That is amazing that you were able to build the shed for $60 and repurpose the rest. Looks great to boot!!!

On the band saw refurb, I understand that the 3M EXL wheels can't be beat. I haven't sprung for the $30-40 for one, but I have read quite a lot about them here on GJ. I have a saw almost like yours and will be trying it when I get to my refurb!

Great job!!!!

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Thanks Red. Are you talking about using the 3M wheel on the table? It seems like a useful thing to have laying around. Hmmm...

Impressive. Loved the detail to the steps of building :lol:.

Thanks. I was feeling a little saucy.

Nice job, Fergus! You are a talented and resourceful fellow. So what is growing in the field in back of the yard tool shed? Looks like some serious farming going on. Sorry to hear about the health set back as well as the job. I know you will find other and perhaps more rewarding work near term.

Best,

Ody.

Ody, Thanks a lot. Glad that you've come to follow along in my little adventure. We live on 45 acres, though almost all of it is farmland. They usually grow tomatoes or wheat here. I'm not part of the operation (although I'd love to be) as the family has a tenant farmer. Here's a few pics from the tomato harvest this year. These are canning tomatoes that are bred to have a very tough skin that will stand to be harvested mechanically. Heck...they'll fall of a truck and still not bust open.

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Almost all those hand tools in that blue barrel could be flipped over, then add a large sack of sand or two and some of your used motor oil from some past oil changes. no rust. I bet you already know that! great work! very inspiring.

Neat trick. Never heard of it. Thanks for following along.
 

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Fergus,
Did you use those drill point screws? I use them when I can and they work GREAT.

With the utmost respect I am crowning you the "Master of Mickey Mouse" for your re-purposing skills. You have shown us how to squeeze a dollar til it screams. Outstanding. I hope you're not unemployed for long. Just imagine what you could do if you actually spent a large amount of dough?! lol.
 
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Thanks Dan...I am now MMM or M^3. I would totally use that as my custom title if such things were an option here on the GJ. Maybe I should ask the mods about it.

You're right though...imagine what I could get done with a sizable chunk of disposable income!
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I imagine it for myself all the time! Lol

Unfortunately I doubt I'll ever have a "sizeable" chunk of disposable income just for using as I please. So I'm cheap AND I'm a scrounger. Doesn't bother me at all and I'm proud of what I manage to do. I've got a little overhead storage project I am currently planning that takes "scrounge" to another level.....more on that in my own thread later.

I really like seeing the guys here that do more with less, even though I admire the mega garages. I just can't relate to them.
 

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Fergus, in the interests of maintaining 'domestic bliss' with SWMBO, I would strongly urge you to proceed post haste with the construction of the H.D.L.P.D.'s (Honey-Do-List-Prime-Directive) chicken coop. Since you are M^3, you should canvas the farm neighborhood looking for more goat pen material. Beg, barter, but don't steal enough pen fencing to make your just completed shed a DUPLEX! Side-by-side sheds sharing a common gable wall. You've got the method down pat and could put the addition together in your sleep. An added bonus (aside from making the Mrs. ecstatic - lol) would be that the area in front of both sheds could be fenced off and 'roofed' with chicken wire to make a 'hawk-proof' enclosure. Once you let the neighbors know of your plight and the 'marital mandate' to build a chicken coop, you will have all the ladies in the area on your side. They will 'suggest' to their menfolk that suitable materials be scrounged from the properties to enable you to complete your quest. Heck, with any luck at all, you'll be able to build a whole neighborhood of chicken coops and before you know it, your job will be delivering farm fresh eggs to the county, and shoveling TONS of fresh, hot chicken manure to feed the tomato farm next door! :puke:

For just a bit more incentive, remember that Christmas is just around the corner. What could be a better gift for the wifey on that special day than to walk her out to her chicken coop (no wrapping required) and say 'Merry Christmas Darling - You are now a chicken farmer; just don't plant them too deep!' Doing this project ASAP will guarantee that you won't get a lump of coal in your Christmas stocking, otherwise she may use that loaded stocking as a sap and beat you about the head and shoulders with it. :lol_hitti
 
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fergus

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Ompha...

The thought has crossed my mind. Believe me...I had considered building an ADDITIONAL shed as a duplex...for a coop and even more storage for me. Actually,the storage would be for my jeep, as it has sat out all summer and will probably be sitting outside for another few months...bummer.

SWMBO already has my dance card all filled up with other things, though the chicken coop is one of them. I already have my "primary directive" though so the coop will have to wait. Hopefully I'll have something good for her by Christmas. You guys might like it...
 
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