Above 1200 Sq/FT The Lone Beech Garage (60x46x16)
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Jnkpile,
The Shelter's walls are sitting on a poured floor/footer.
The approach the dirt-moving sub used was to put some subsoil onto the area the slab will eventually be poured. Then he drove a large dumptruck back & forth over that area. Then he would repeat the process of dirt & compaction. I think what happened was the area close to the tornado shelter got back filled but didn't get compacted properly.
The rain has been a blessing in that regard. I talked to the builder about this today and compaction will get some extra attention when things dry out.
Best regards,
Scott
Jnkpile,
The Shelter's walls are sitting on a poured floor/footer.
The approach the dirt-moving sub used was to put some subsoil onto the area the slab will eventually be poured. Then he drove a large dumptruck back & forth over that area. Then he would repeat the process of dirt & compaction. I think what happened was the area close to the tornado shelter got back filled but didn't get compacted properly.
The rain has been a blessing in that regard. I talked to the builder about this today and compaction will get some extra attention when things dry out.
Best regards,
Scott
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Jim,
I think we would have had a floor poured if the rain hadn't started after the delay by the foundation wall guy.
The delay - and the rain - probably saved us from a big problem.
Although I have to say, maybe if the foundation wall had gotten put in, the compaction around the shelter may have been addressed and it would not have been a problem.
Either way, it's good to have the issue highlighted by the settling that occurred. It should make everybody aware of what can happen if this isn't tended to properly.
Best regards,
Scott
Jim,
I think we would have had a floor poured if the rain hadn't started after the delay by the foundation wall guy.
The delay - and the rain - probably saved us from a big problem.
Although I have to say, maybe if the foundation wall had gotten put in, the compaction around the shelter may have been addressed and it would not have been a problem.
Either way, it's good to have the issue highlighted by the settling that occurred. It should make everybody aware of what can happen if this isn't tended to properly.
Best regards,
Scott
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Thursday - October 29, 2015
This morning I drove from Peachtree City, GA to Tucker, GA (from south of Atlanta to Northeast of Atlanta) which is a distance of about 48 miles. The purpose of the trip was to pick up a 15'-9" S12 x 31.8 beam from Steel Mart and bring it back to my home. This beam will serve as a hanging point for an electric chain hoist.
We had purchased our other steel (30 foot W18 x 35, angle iron, etc.) from Sable Steel in Newnan, GA. Sable Steel is about 20 miles away from my home and is located in what appears to be an incomplete Industrial/Commercial zoned development. Sable's location would be described as quiet, low traffic and easy to get in and out of their parking lot.
Unfortunately, Sable didn't have the S12 beam in stock and we would have had to order a truckload in order to get one from them.
Steel Mart would let us get the single S12 x 31.8 and cut it to 15'-9" from the 20' beam we had to buy. As I mentioned in yesterday's post, I elected to save the $100 delivery charge and pick the beam up myself.
It wasn't just the delivery charge I was thinking about. Based on the experience we had with the earlier beam delivery, I didn't know what would happen when this latest beam was delivered. I assumed getting this new beam off the delivery truck would be similar to the last delivery... we'd have to figure out how to remove it from the truck. That would be after sitting around for several hours waiting on the delivery. By picking up the beam myself, I would at least control my own destiny.
My plan was to leave my house at about 9:00 am and catch the tail end of Atlanta rush hour traffic: Pick up the beam at Steel Mart and return around 10:30 am in the quietest day-time traffic Atlanta has to offer.
The trip to Steel Mart was about as expected. Heavy traffic but not bad. As I approached Steel Mart's address, I was a bit surprised to find it to be a heavily retail-commercial area on a 4-lane highway. Of course my destination was on the left side of the street that I was traveling on.
The entrance to Steel Mart was a rather narrow gap in a fence that fed into barely two lanes that threaded between two warehouse-type buildings. Of course as soon as one cleared the highway and entered the Steel Mart property, there was an office that you would need to get paperwork from in order to make your pick-up.
Remember the "barely two lanes that threaded..." above? Remember "office"?
Of course some lazy twit had stopped his truck in this bottleneck in order not to have to walk 50 yards to the paperwork office. As you might expect under this scenario, a truck is trying to leave as I'm arriving and the trailer I'm dragging behind me, while just clear of traffic, is probably protruding a bit into the shoulder of the highway I had just left.
Quite a different experience from Sable Steel in Newnan, GA!
Survived that and got the almost 16 foot beam and the cut-off piece loaded onto my 12 foot trailer. Back to PTCGA I went - traffic was light and I got home at about 11:40 am.
I parked my load and made ready for a meeting with the builder and the electrical sub which was to take place at noon.
After the meeting, I wanted to unload the trailer. The beam wasn't going to be needed for a while so I pulled the trailer into the back yard and came up with a plan to unload the 500 pound beam by myself.
Since the beam hung off the trailer by about 4 feet. I jacked up the end hanging off the trailer and built a pillar to support that end of the beam.
Then I jacked up the end on the front of the trailer and slid a homemade "low boy" dolly that I've had forever under the beam. [The reason for the odd shape of the dolly is that its original purpose was to slide under a massive entertainment center.] With the beam resting on the dolly, I drove the truck and trailer forward.
With the dolly right on the end of the trailer, I jacked up the beam and built another pillar to support that end of the beam.
With the beam resting on the pillars, I drove the truck and trailer away from the beam. I used the jack to raise up each end of the beam, remove a layer of the pillar and lower the beam down a step at a time.
The whole time I was doing this, I was distracted by "the sound of freedom" as the US Navy Blue Angels practiced overhead for their performance this weekend at the Great Georgia Air Show. I'm surprised I didn't hurt myself trying to unload this beam AND catch a glimpse of the F-18's through the pine trees that surround my property.
Edit: These 2 pictures of the Blue Angels were taken on the day following this post. They were out practicing again and I was ready for them with my camera! I still had the problem of trying to locate them through the trees. Ha!
Scott
Thursday - October 29, 2015
This morning I drove from Peachtree City, GA to Tucker, GA (from south of Atlanta to Northeast of Atlanta) which is a distance of about 48 miles. The purpose of the trip was to pick up a 15'-9" S12 x 31.8 beam from Steel Mart and bring it back to my home. This beam will serve as a hanging point for an electric chain hoist.
We had purchased our other steel (30 foot W18 x 35, angle iron, etc.) from Sable Steel in Newnan, GA. Sable Steel is about 20 miles away from my home and is located in what appears to be an incomplete Industrial/Commercial zoned development. Sable's location would be described as quiet, low traffic and easy to get in and out of their parking lot.
Unfortunately, Sable didn't have the S12 beam in stock and we would have had to order a truckload in order to get one from them.
Steel Mart would let us get the single S12 x 31.8 and cut it to 15'-9" from the 20' beam we had to buy. As I mentioned in yesterday's post, I elected to save the $100 delivery charge and pick the beam up myself.
It wasn't just the delivery charge I was thinking about. Based on the experience we had with the earlier beam delivery, I didn't know what would happen when this latest beam was delivered. I assumed getting this new beam off the delivery truck would be similar to the last delivery... we'd have to figure out how to remove it from the truck. That would be after sitting around for several hours waiting on the delivery. By picking up the beam myself, I would at least control my own destiny.
My plan was to leave my house at about 9:00 am and catch the tail end of Atlanta rush hour traffic: Pick up the beam at Steel Mart and return around 10:30 am in the quietest day-time traffic Atlanta has to offer.
The trip to Steel Mart was about as expected. Heavy traffic but not bad. As I approached Steel Mart's address, I was a bit surprised to find it to be a heavily retail-commercial area on a 4-lane highway. Of course my destination was on the left side of the street that I was traveling on.
The entrance to Steel Mart was a rather narrow gap in a fence that fed into barely two lanes that threaded between two warehouse-type buildings. Of course as soon as one cleared the highway and entered the Steel Mart property, there was an office that you would need to get paperwork from in order to make your pick-up.
Remember the "barely two lanes that threaded..." above? Remember "office"?
Of course some lazy twit had stopped his truck in this bottleneck in order not to have to walk 50 yards to the paperwork office. As you might expect under this scenario, a truck is trying to leave as I'm arriving and the trailer I'm dragging behind me, while just clear of traffic, is probably protruding a bit into the shoulder of the highway I had just left.
Quite a different experience from Sable Steel in Newnan, GA!
Survived that and got the almost 16 foot beam and the cut-off piece loaded onto my 12 foot trailer. Back to PTCGA I went - traffic was light and I got home at about 11:40 am.
I parked my load and made ready for a meeting with the builder and the electrical sub which was to take place at noon.
After the meeting, I wanted to unload the trailer. The beam wasn't going to be needed for a while so I pulled the trailer into the back yard and came up with a plan to unload the 500 pound beam by myself.
Since the beam hung off the trailer by about 4 feet. I jacked up the end hanging off the trailer and built a pillar to support that end of the beam.
Then I jacked up the end on the front of the trailer and slid a homemade "low boy" dolly that I've had forever under the beam. [The reason for the odd shape of the dolly is that its original purpose was to slide under a massive entertainment center.] With the beam resting on the dolly, I drove the truck and trailer forward.
With the dolly right on the end of the trailer, I jacked up the beam and built another pillar to support that end of the beam.
With the beam resting on the pillars, I drove the truck and trailer away from the beam. I used the jack to raise up each end of the beam, remove a layer of the pillar and lower the beam down a step at a time.
The whole time I was doing this, I was distracted by "the sound of freedom" as the US Navy Blue Angels practiced overhead for their performance this weekend at the Great Georgia Air Show. I'm surprised I didn't hurt myself trying to unload this beam AND catch a glimpse of the F-18's through the pine trees that surround my property.
Edit: These 2 pictures of the Blue Angels were taken on the day following this post. They were out practicing again and I was ready for them with my camera! I still had the problem of trying to locate them through the trees. Ha!
Scott
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Friday - October 30, 2015
Builder informed me this morning that the dirt-moving sub has vertigo but is expected to be OK next week. We are hoping to get started again shortly.
I didn't have much else that I could do so I worked a bit on my Shop Sink Stand. I redid the lower bracing and I think it looks a lot better.
I also started to research how to being power to the Electric Chain Hoist once it is mounted on the beam I brought home yesterday.
What have others done? Festoon system of some sort or...?
Scott
Friday - October 30, 2015
Builder informed me this morning that the dirt-moving sub has vertigo but is expected to be OK next week. We are hoping to get started again shortly.
I didn't have much else that I could do so I worked a bit on my Shop Sink Stand. I redid the lower bracing and I think it looks a lot better.
I also started to research how to being power to the Electric Chain Hoist once it is mounted on the beam I brought home yesterday.
What have others done? Festoon system of some sort or...?
Scott
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Saturday - October 31, 2015
The magnificent weather we had yesterday has departed. We have overcast skies today and it is misty. The weather system that dumped all the rain on Texas a couple of days ago is expected to arrive tomorrow with a pretty good amount of precipitation. We are expected to get over 2 inches and it is supposed to happen Sunday & Monday.
Since we still have water standing on the front of the site from the last weather event. I decided I needed to do something to help deal with what was there ...and what is to come.
I got a shovel and trenched a bit around the north side of the building to the front where the water had been standing.
Some of where I was digging was definitely undisturbed subsoil. Even with gloves a worked up a bit of a blister on the palm of one hand. Hopefully this effort will help to drain off the coming moisture as it arrives.
I definitely missed the sandy loam of the Lone Beech Melon Farm back in Indiana when I was digging through this Georgia red clay "soil". Ha!
Scott
Saturday - October 31, 2015
The magnificent weather we had yesterday has departed. We have overcast skies today and it is misty. The weather system that dumped all the rain on Texas a couple of days ago is expected to arrive tomorrow with a pretty good amount of precipitation. We are expected to get over 2 inches and it is supposed to happen Sunday & Monday.
Since we still have water standing on the front of the site from the last weather event. I decided I needed to do something to help deal with what was there ...and what is to come.
I got a shovel and trenched a bit around the north side of the building to the front where the water had been standing.
Some of where I was digging was definitely undisturbed subsoil. Even with gloves a worked up a bit of a blister on the palm of one hand. Hopefully this effort will help to drain off the coming moisture as it arrives.
I definitely missed the sandy loam of the Lone Beech Melon Farm back in Indiana when I was digging through this Georgia red clay "soil". Ha!
Scott
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Gentleman Adventurer
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Scott;
Love the building plan, thanks for sharing.
And, I'm jealous of the sink, I'll have to check out the surplus place, next time I get to Newnan. The boss wants one for her laundry and I want one for the shop. Guess who gets first pick?
Scott;
Love the building plan, thanks for sharing.
And, I'm jealous of the sink, I'll have to check out the surplus place, next time I get to Newnan. The boss wants one for her laundry and I want one for the shop. Guess who gets first pick?
madoc1
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
those blue angels are fun to watch..i saw the earlier versions in '66 while doing naval training in fla. now I see the air force equivalent in Colorado springs most summers. my gf's son live pretty close to Peterson af base and they come in and around directly over the house. neat. we were stranded for a bit yesterday. our area has 5 ways out of it- 4 low water crossings and a bridge. well, two weeks ago they started to replace the bridge. so no one went anywhere for a bit. we had over 8 inches and Austin (40 miles away) had 14 plus in places. hope you don't get that much. I do remember not long ago when Atlanta was about out of water though.
jim
those blue angels are fun to watch..i saw the earlier versions in '66 while doing naval training in fla. now I see the air force equivalent in Colorado springs most summers. my gf's son live pretty close to Peterson af base and they come in and around directly over the house. neat. we were stranded for a bit yesterday. our area has 5 ways out of it- 4 low water crossings and a bridge. well, two weeks ago they started to replace the bridge. so no one went anywhere for a bit. we had over 8 inches and Austin (40 miles away) had 14 plus in places. hope you don't get that much. I do remember not long ago when Atlanta was about out of water though.
jim
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Gentleman Adventurer,
Thanks for the kind words.
Regarding the sink, last time I was there, they had enough sinks for you, the spouse, the mother in law... and then some.
However, most of their sinks had the smaller drain - if that's important to you.
Best regards,
Scott
Scott;
Love the building plan, thanks for sharing.
And, I'm jealous of the sink, I'll have to check out the surplus place, next time I get to Newnan. The boss wants one for her laundry and I want one for the shop. Guess who gets first pick?
Gentleman Adventurer,
Thanks for the kind words.
Regarding the sink, last time I was there, they had enough sinks for you, the spouse, the mother in law... and then some.
However, most of their sinks had the smaller drain - if that's important to you.
Best regards,
Scott
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Wednesday - November 4, 2015
From Saturday through Monday we got about 3-1/2 inches of rain at my house. Yesterday & today have been damp and not conducive to drying things out quickly. The forecast is for a couple more days like this and then more rain over the weekend.
There had been no activity at all on the building site for several days. So I was pleasantly surprised when - at about 10:30 am & in the middle of a kitchen plumbing project - I heard the familiar beep-beep-beep of large vehicle backing up outside the house.
Unfortunately it was just the dirt-moving sub picking up the equipment that he had left on my property the past few days. He is hoping to get back on the site next week.
It is still possible to make some progress. Today a heavy package was delivered by UPS. It was a used 2-Ton Coffing ET40 Hoist Trolley that I purchased on eBay. With the recently acquired S12 I-Beam and the Electric Chain Hoist, this trolley completes most of the overhead lift project's structural components. I still need to figure out how to provide electricity to the Chain Hoist as it traverses the beam.
Some assembly was required.
While I can find information online for a Coffing ET40-A trolley, I haven't been able to find any information on my - apparently earlier model - trolley. Anybody have any idea what the bolt holes are for? (white arrows). I also need to track down four 3/4"-10 nylock nuts at the hardware store to replace the ones that came with the trolley.
I finally got the Shop Sink Stand glued up. I sat the sink in it by myself. That was a mistake 'cause I pinched the feces out of my fingertips as I did so.
This stand should work for the Shop Sink. If I have time, I may try to fabricate something out of metal but this 2x4 stand will suffice for the time being.
Scott
Wednesday - November 4, 2015
From Saturday through Monday we got about 3-1/2 inches of rain at my house. Yesterday & today have been damp and not conducive to drying things out quickly. The forecast is for a couple more days like this and then more rain over the weekend.
There had been no activity at all on the building site for several days. So I was pleasantly surprised when - at about 10:30 am & in the middle of a kitchen plumbing project - I heard the familiar beep-beep-beep of large vehicle backing up outside the house.
Unfortunately it was just the dirt-moving sub picking up the equipment that he had left on my property the past few days. He is hoping to get back on the site next week.
It is still possible to make some progress. Today a heavy package was delivered by UPS. It was a used 2-Ton Coffing ET40 Hoist Trolley that I purchased on eBay. With the recently acquired S12 I-Beam and the Electric Chain Hoist, this trolley completes most of the overhead lift project's structural components. I still need to figure out how to provide electricity to the Chain Hoist as it traverses the beam.
Some assembly was required.
While I can find information online for a Coffing ET40-A trolley, I haven't been able to find any information on my - apparently earlier model - trolley. Anybody have any idea what the bolt holes are for? (white arrows). I also need to track down four 3/4"-10 nylock nuts at the hardware store to replace the ones that came with the trolley.
I finally got the Shop Sink Stand glued up. I sat the sink in it by myself. That was a mistake 'cause I pinched the feces out of my fingertips as I did so.
This stand should work for the Shop Sink. If I have time, I may try to fabricate something out of metal but this 2x4 stand will suffice for the time being.
Scott
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jbmatth
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Perhaps they are for bolting on a stop plate to prevent too much travel, or for a sign of some kind, but other than that I have no idea. Here is to hoping you dry out soon.
Also Shopnut has a good writeup on ways to get power out to a hoist on his jib crane here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1342562&postcount=481
Or the link to the page where this work really starts:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3148&page=25
JB
Perhaps they are for bolting on a stop plate to prevent too much travel, or for a sign of some kind, but other than that I have no idea. Here is to hoping you dry out soon.
Also Shopnut has a good writeup on ways to get power out to a hoist on his jib crane here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1342562&postcount=481
Or the link to the page where this work really starts:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3148&page=25
JB
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
JB,
Thanks for the links to Shopnut's hoist power setup. I anticipate that the top of my beam will be pretty close to the ceiling so the cable carrier solution he used probably isn't an option for me. Still it was good stuff to look at.
The really funny thing is that I had been thinking about what color I would paint my beam and I was thinking, "Yellow would work." Then I looked at Shopnut's beam and chuckled.
Best regards,
Scott
JB,
Thanks for the links to Shopnut's hoist power setup. I anticipate that the top of my beam will be pretty close to the ceiling so the cable carrier solution he used probably isn't an option for me. Still it was good stuff to look at.
The really funny thing is that I had been thinking about what color I would paint my beam and I was thinking, "Yellow would work." Then I looked at Shopnut's beam and chuckled.
Best regards,
Scott
smsteve
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Hi Scott,
Enjoying your build, and though I have no experience with electrifying trolley systems per se, I was at work which meant I needed to help you find a solution.
A quick google search got me to this link of a Coffing Hoists PDF file, https://www.cmworks.com/Public/11279/Hoisting%20Basics.pdf. Page 20 starts with a few options for Runway Wiring / Electrification Systems. It's not a lot, nor is it super detailed, but it's a few ideas and could be helpful.
If you wish, please package some of your excess water and send it our way here in SoCal, we are parched!
Hi Scott,
Enjoying your build, and though I have no experience with electrifying trolley systems per se, I was at work which meant I needed to help you find a solution.
A quick google search got me to this link of a Coffing Hoists PDF file, https://www.cmworks.com/Public/11279/Hoisting%20Basics.pdf. Page 20 starts with a few options for Runway Wiring / Electrification Systems. It's not a lot, nor is it super detailed, but it's a few ideas and could be helpful.
If you wish, please package some of your excess water and send it our way here in SoCal, we are parched!
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
smsteve,
Thanks for that document & the kind words. While I'm leaning hard towards a festoon system - probably on a taunt wire - there were a couple of other options listed in the document that I wasn't aware of.
As to the moisture...
This morning we saw the sun peaking though breaks in the clouds for the first time in a week.
That was this morning. This was a few minutes ago. It really opened up.
I wish I could help California with its water issues. I was skiing at Tahoe last February and was startled by the lack of snow. It dumped a foot or so the day we arrived so we got in some skiing but the lack of snowpack was obvious.
Maybe this year you guys will get some relief.
Best regards,
Scott
smsteve,
Thanks for that document & the kind words. While I'm leaning hard towards a festoon system - probably on a taunt wire - there were a couple of other options listed in the document that I wasn't aware of.
As to the moisture...
This morning we saw the sun peaking though breaks in the clouds for the first time in a week.
That was this morning. This was a few minutes ago. It really opened up.
I wish I could help California with its water issues. I was skiing at Tahoe last February and was startled by the lack of snow. It dumped a foot or so the day we arrived so we got in some skiing but the lack of snowpack was obvious.
Maybe this year you guys will get some relief.
Best regards,
Scott
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Saturday - November 7, 2015
We had 1.8 inches of rain in the rain gauge this morning. In the last 7 days a total of about 5-1/2 inches.
I walked out onto the building site this afternoon and peered into the Tornado Shelter. Quite a bit of water in there - also in the area to the north where the ventilation duct is.
Although more rain is forecast, I decided to try to remove some of the water from in and around the Tornado Shelter. I had noticed a bull frog down in the Tornado Shelter and I thought I needed to try to liberate it as soon as possible.
I have a small sump pump that I would use to pump the water but I didn't think it would be a good to run several extension cords from the house across the wet ground to the building site.
I pulled my generator across the muddy site and onto an old piece of thick Masonite that I had placed next to the Shelter.
I decided to remove water from next to the Shelter first. This area holds the ventilation duct and had been left accessible. After the north foundation wall is poured it will be backfilled and compacted appropriately.
While that spot was being pumped out, I took a piece of plastic pipe and measured the amount of water in the Shelter. The watermark showed that there was 2 feet - 2 inches in the bottom of the Shelter.
I used the step ladder steps as platforms for the sump pump to sit on as it pumped the water out. I started this about 2 hours ago and I've removed about 12 inches of water.
About 30 minutes ago I placed a concrete block down in the water and sat the sump pump on top of it.
I hope to have pretty much everything pumped out by 8 pm this evening.
Scott
Saturday - November 7, 2015
We had 1.8 inches of rain in the rain gauge this morning. In the last 7 days a total of about 5-1/2 inches.
I walked out onto the building site this afternoon and peered into the Tornado Shelter. Quite a bit of water in there - also in the area to the north where the ventilation duct is.
Although more rain is forecast, I decided to try to remove some of the water from in and around the Tornado Shelter. I had noticed a bull frog down in the Tornado Shelter and I thought I needed to try to liberate it as soon as possible.
I have a small sump pump that I would use to pump the water but I didn't think it would be a good to run several extension cords from the house across the wet ground to the building site.
I pulled my generator across the muddy site and onto an old piece of thick Masonite that I had placed next to the Shelter.
I decided to remove water from next to the Shelter first. This area holds the ventilation duct and had been left accessible. After the north foundation wall is poured it will be backfilled and compacted appropriately.
While that spot was being pumped out, I took a piece of plastic pipe and measured the amount of water in the Shelter. The watermark showed that there was 2 feet - 2 inches in the bottom of the Shelter.
I used the step ladder steps as platforms for the sump pump to sit on as it pumped the water out. I started this about 2 hours ago and I've removed about 12 inches of water.
About 30 minutes ago I placed a concrete block down in the water and sat the sump pump on top of it.
I hope to have pretty much everything pumped out by 8 pm this evening.
Scott
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
There were two of them! Ha!
At a bit after 8:00 pm I shut down the generator. There's probably less than an inch of water still in the bottom the Tornado Shelter.
I expect we'll get some precip in the next couple of days that will require returning with the sump pump but it shouldn't take as long next time.
Scott
There were two of them! Ha!
At a bit after 8:00 pm I shut down the generator. There's probably less than an inch of water still in the bottom the Tornado Shelter.
I expect we'll get some precip in the next couple of days that will require returning with the sump pump but it shouldn't take as long next time.
Scott
Motoman1100
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Hey Bosecker I was thinking about you this weekend.
While rewiring my barn and listening to all the rain it suddenly hit me. Since there's obviously no sign of concrete being poured... maybe me and all the GJ boys should come over and put all that red dirt to some good use!
Hey Bosecker I was thinking about you this weekend.
While rewiring my barn and listening to all the rain it suddenly hit me. Since there's obviously no sign of concrete being poured... maybe me and all the GJ boys should come over and put all that red dirt to some good use!
classicJackets
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Now that ^ Looks like fun!!
Wouldn't believe how much water you pumped out of the pit if I hadn't dealt with it every day as well. Hopefully you don't have to spend too much time doing the same again this week as the stinkin' rain continues..
Now that ^ Looks like fun!!
Wouldn't believe how much water you pumped out of the pit if I hadn't dealt with it every day as well. Hopefully you don't have to spend too much time doing the same again this week as the stinkin' rain continues..
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Motoman1100,
Fortunately it isn't quite that fluid on my building site. Ha!
Maybe it will dry out a bit this week and we can get back to making some progress.
Last Thursday the builder and I met with the HVAC sub and discussed the heating & cooling. So even with the hiatus due to weather, details are being worked out.
Do you happen to know anyone who has run a gas line from one building to another? I'm considering a gas on-demand water heater and if I did that I'd need to run about 250+ feet of gas pipe from the far end of my house to the Lone Beech Garage. The builder is working on getting a quote from a sub but I'm just curious what I should expect.
Best regards,
Scott
Motoman1100,
Fortunately it isn't quite that fluid on my building site. Ha!
Maybe it will dry out a bit this week and we can get back to making some progress.
Last Thursday the builder and I met with the HVAC sub and discussed the heating & cooling. So even with the hiatus due to weather, details are being worked out.
Do you happen to know anyone who has run a gas line from one building to another? I'm considering a gas on-demand water heater and if I did that I'd need to run about 250+ feet of gas pipe from the far end of my house to the Lone Beech Garage. The builder is working on getting a quote from a sub but I'm just curious what I should expect.
Best regards,
Scott
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Doug,
Another inch and a half in the rain gauge this morning.
Heard it raining again a couple of hours ago. Hopefully that will be it for a few days.
I'll probably drag out the sump pump again tomorrow morning.
There was about 10 inches of water in the shelter yesterday. I didn't look today.
Best regards,
Scott
Doug,
Another inch and a half in the rain gauge this morning.
Heard it raining again a couple of hours ago. Hopefully that will be it for a few days.
I'll probably drag out the sump pump again tomorrow morning.
There was about 10 inches of water in the shelter yesterday. I didn't look today.
Best regards,
Scott
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Tuesday - November 10, 2015
This morning, anticipating the end of the rainy weather. I intended to drag the generator out to the shelter and pump out the water.
Unfortunately the tube in one of the generator's tires had failed. It took me a while to get the wheel off the axle. About the time that was accomplished, a friend drove up to the house and wanted the know how the project was going.
After a lot of laughing and scratching, he departed. I drove about 15 minutes to Fayette Mower in Fayetteville, GA with my bad wheel. Of course I arrive at lunch time and the guys that would repair my wheel were eating their beans.
I was told the work would be done around 3 pm.
I came home and worked on other chores.
...and then something weird happened.
The sun came out! It's the first time we've seen it in quite a few days.
At about 3:30 pm I picked up the repaired generator wheel.
I got the generator repaired and then walked it out to the building site.
There was about 15 inches of water in the bottom of the shelter. It took about 2 hours to pump it out.
Weather forecast is calling for good weather for the next 6 days or so. I'm hoping we will start to make some progress by the end of this week.
Scott
Tuesday - November 10, 2015
This morning, anticipating the end of the rainy weather. I intended to drag the generator out to the shelter and pump out the water.
Unfortunately the tube in one of the generator's tires had failed. It took me a while to get the wheel off the axle. About the time that was accomplished, a friend drove up to the house and wanted the know how the project was going.
After a lot of laughing and scratching, he departed. I drove about 15 minutes to Fayette Mower in Fayetteville, GA with my bad wheel. Of course I arrive at lunch time and the guys that would repair my wheel were eating their beans.
I was told the work would be done around 3 pm.
I came home and worked on other chores.
...and then something weird happened.
The sun came out! It's the first time we've seen it in quite a few days.
At about 3:30 pm I picked up the repaired generator wheel.
I got the generator repaired and then walked it out to the building site.
There was about 15 inches of water in the bottom of the shelter. It took about 2 hours to pump it out.
Weather forecast is calling for good weather for the next 6 days or so. I'm hoping we will start to make some progress by the end of this week.
Scott
BearCuda
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Looks like its gonna be an awesome build. I thought about what you said in an earlier post wishing you could see the progress from an aerial view. You know, you can get a decent rc drone with an hd camera for less than $200. They don't take long to learn to fly and a lot of them self stabilize in training mode. You can take excellent overhead camera footage and download the card to your pc. Voila! overhead footage of the build.
Looks like its gonna be an awesome build. I thought about what you said in an earlier post wishing you could see the progress from an aerial view. You know, you can get a decent rc drone with an hd camera for less than $200. They don't take long to learn to fly and a lot of them self stabilize in training mode. You can take excellent overhead camera footage and download the card to your pc. Voila! overhead footage of the build.
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
BearCuda,
Thanks for the kind words about the building.
I had thought about the drone thing but I also considered just making a low pass in my 767-400 and looking around. OK it's not really MY 767-400 but I sign for it.
Anyway, I thought better of that idea when I remembered a story from early in my airline career.
I was in my first year with Delta and back then we didn't have a Vice President of Flying Ops like we do now. Back then that position was called the Chief Pilot. At that time the Chief Pilot was Carry Albert "Snake" Smith. All of this is background material for the following story.
Anyway, one of my Captains was telling me how one of our fellow Delta Professionals had flown his 727 about 200 feet over his girlfriend's house.
This maneuver had gotten him an audience with the Chief Pilot. As my Captain explained the situation, "Apparently Snake was not familiar with this aspect of the courtship ritual."
I can assure you that things have gotten way more chicken-bleep in the last 30 years. If I decided to drop down over my homestead to check out how things looked from a couple hundred feet, I don't think Delta would bother with the formality of me doing a rug-dance in front of the Vice President of Flying Ops. I'd probably be met by corporate security when I landed and would be expected to hand over my ID as I was escorted off the property. Ha!
Best regards,
Scott
BearCuda,
Thanks for the kind words about the building.
I had thought about the drone thing but I also considered just making a low pass in my 767-400 and looking around. OK it's not really MY 767-400 but I sign for it.
Anyway, I thought better of that idea when I remembered a story from early in my airline career.
I was in my first year with Delta and back then we didn't have a Vice President of Flying Ops like we do now. Back then that position was called the Chief Pilot. At that time the Chief Pilot was Carry Albert "Snake" Smith. All of this is background material for the following story.
Anyway, one of my Captains was telling me how one of our fellow Delta Professionals had flown his 727 about 200 feet over his girlfriend's house.
This maneuver had gotten him an audience with the Chief Pilot. As my Captain explained the situation, "Apparently Snake was not familiar with this aspect of the courtship ritual."
I can assure you that things have gotten way more chicken-bleep in the last 30 years. If I decided to drop down over my homestead to check out how things looked from a couple hundred feet, I don't think Delta would bother with the formality of me doing a rug-dance in front of the Vice President of Flying Ops. I'd probably be met by corporate security when I landed and would be expected to hand over my ID as I was escorted off the property. Ha!
Best regards,
Scott
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Thursday - November 12, 2015
This afternoon I was out in the attached garage when I noticed "Ash", my son's cat, sitting on the Cat Tree looking out the garage door with a "Thousand Yard Stare".
Ash hates the noises construction equipment makes. It freaks him out. When I saw him behaving as he was, I could only assume that he was hearing something I wasn't. I walked outside...
...sure enough, the dirt moving sub was unloading an excavator. I came inside and checked my email. The Builder had sent me a message indicating that we would be cranking things up again tomorrow!
Weather forecast is for good weather until at least next Thursday. It will take a big effort but maybe by then we'll have the slab poured.
Scott
Thursday - November 12, 2015
This afternoon I was out in the attached garage when I noticed "Ash", my son's cat, sitting on the Cat Tree looking out the garage door with a "Thousand Yard Stare".
Ash hates the noises construction equipment makes. It freaks him out. When I saw him behaving as he was, I could only assume that he was hearing something I wasn't. I walked outside...
...sure enough, the dirt moving sub was unloading an excavator. I came inside and checked my email. The Builder had sent me a message indicating that we would be cranking things up again tomorrow!
Weather forecast is for good weather until at least next Thursday. It will take a big effort but maybe by then we'll have the slab poured.
Scott
jbmatth
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
I'm sure you are stoked to see progress again, I know I am on your behalf. How much rain have you gotten since the project actually broke ground?
JB
I'm sure you are stoked to see progress again, I know I am on your behalf. How much rain have you gotten since the project actually broke ground?
JB
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
JBMatth,
I have a rain gauge and I indicate the amount in it each morning on the refrigerator-mounted 8-week calendar. However, I update the calendar about every 3 weeks and I just did an update so I don't have an exact figure as those dates were removed.
However, I can remember a few of the entries and I'm pretty sure we have had at least 8 inches of rain and perhaps a bit more.
EDIT: I managed to find the Peachtree City Airport's rainfall total so far for November...
9.6 inches.
Best regards,
Scott
JBMatth,
I have a rain gauge and I indicate the amount in it each morning on the refrigerator-mounted 8-week calendar. However, I update the calendar about every 3 weeks and I just did an update so I don't have an exact figure as those dates were removed.
However, I can remember a few of the entries and I'm pretty sure we have had at least 8 inches of rain and perhaps a bit more.
EDIT: I managed to find the Peachtree City Airport's rainfall total so far for November...
9.6 inches.
Best regards,
Scott
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Friday - November 13, 2015
Today the last trees fell at the building site. These fell into 3 main groups.
1. The trees on the east end of the property that should have been taken down in the initial tree massacre. I was pretty sure we needed to take out about another 10 feet (at least) to give adequate clearance for the "half-circle" ramp but that didn't happen at that time.
2. The trees on the northwest corner of the property that needed to be removed as a result of the site plan SNAFU (40 feet of depth on the site plan that didn't exist in reality - see Post 33 ).
3. Trees east of the well house. This one is on me. I thought my bride would want a buffer of foliage between our house and the Lone Beech Garage. Turns out that wasn't the case. 'Nuff said. Since the other trees needed to come down anyway, why not take care of the spouse's wishes as well.
As shown in the above pictures, things were progressing nicely...
...and then the timber guy's Bobcat died.
This slowed things down as the Dirt-Moving sub was now using his excavator to load logs on the trucks.
But the trucks did get loaded.
Still a few logs left, some stumps to be popped out and debris to be cleared.
However, there should be room for the Foundation Wall sub to do his thing at any time. I thought he was going to be on the site today but perhaps when the Bobcat went down he was waved off by the Dirt Moving sub.
I hope there will be activity tomorrow but...
...it is Saturday.
Scott
Friday - November 13, 2015
Today the last trees fell at the building site. These fell into 3 main groups.
1. The trees on the east end of the property that should have been taken down in the initial tree massacre. I was pretty sure we needed to take out about another 10 feet (at least) to give adequate clearance for the "half-circle" ramp but that didn't happen at that time.
2. The trees on the northwest corner of the property that needed to be removed as a result of the site plan SNAFU (40 feet of depth on the site plan that didn't exist in reality - see Post 33 ).
3. Trees east of the well house. This one is on me. I thought my bride would want a buffer of foliage between our house and the Lone Beech Garage. Turns out that wasn't the case. 'Nuff said. Since the other trees needed to come down anyway, why not take care of the spouse's wishes as well.
As shown in the above pictures, things were progressing nicely...
...and then the timber guy's Bobcat died.
This slowed things down as the Dirt-Moving sub was now using his excavator to load logs on the trucks.
But the trucks did get loaded.
Still a few logs left, some stumps to be popped out and debris to be cleared.
However, there should be room for the Foundation Wall sub to do his thing at any time. I thought he was going to be on the site today but perhaps when the Bobcat went down he was waved off by the Dirt Moving sub.
I hope there will be activity tomorrow but...
...it is Saturday.
Scott
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Saturday - November 14, 2015
Despite an absolutely fantastic fall day, no activity on the building site. Builder sent me an email indicating that the foundation wall guy was supposed to have been on the site yesterday but... he didn't give an explanation as to why that didn't happen.
In my opinion, there was quite enough activity going on with the timber removal. I actually think having another crew on the site would have been a liability.
Builder indicated the tree cleanup will continue on Monday and he hopes that the foundation guy will show up. Weather forecast has moved a rain event up a day from Thursday to Wednesday. This makes the squandering of this fine weather today a bit of a travesty.
I grew up on a farm and the weather, not the day of the week, dictated when we worked. A different situation now I guess.
So I moved forward with a project of my own.
I decided that the Chain Hoist S-Beam (Post # 125) that's been sitting out in the weather needed to come inside. Once inside I can get it cleaned up and painted prior to its installation in the Lone Beech Garage which - based on current progress and the imminent holiday season - is probably a couple of months away.
I could have tried to put it on my trailer - in reverse order of the way I took it off - and brought it up to the garage. Instead I decided to attempt what I hoped would be a quicker but perhaps riskier transportation system.
Last week I had finished fabricating a Trailer-Hitch-Crane system using a Harbor Freight 1/2 Ton Pickup Crane, some Craigslist 2-inch Steel Tube & about 4 square feet of 1/4-inch Steel Plate I got at an estate sale for $1.
Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing but I'm trying to learn. Making something seemed like a good way to try to learn.
Cutting a 5/8-Inch hole through the 2-Inch Tube.
Using a plasma cutter to get the steel plate to an appropriate size.
Drilling holes for the mounting bolts.
Welding the plate to the steel tube
Done!
I planned to use this crane & the help of my son to pick up the 500 pound S-Beam and move it to the garage pad. From that position I'd get it into the garage.
To be continued in the next post...
Saturday - November 14, 2015
Despite an absolutely fantastic fall day, no activity on the building site. Builder sent me an email indicating that the foundation wall guy was supposed to have been on the site yesterday but... he didn't give an explanation as to why that didn't happen.
In my opinion, there was quite enough activity going on with the timber removal. I actually think having another crew on the site would have been a liability.
Builder indicated the tree cleanup will continue on Monday and he hopes that the foundation guy will show up. Weather forecast has moved a rain event up a day from Thursday to Wednesday. This makes the squandering of this fine weather today a bit of a travesty.
I grew up on a farm and the weather, not the day of the week, dictated when we worked. A different situation now I guess.
So I moved forward with a project of my own.
I decided that the Chain Hoist S-Beam (Post # 125) that's been sitting out in the weather needed to come inside. Once inside I can get it cleaned up and painted prior to its installation in the Lone Beech Garage which - based on current progress and the imminent holiday season - is probably a couple of months away.
I could have tried to put it on my trailer - in reverse order of the way I took it off - and brought it up to the garage. Instead I decided to attempt what I hoped would be a quicker but perhaps riskier transportation system.
Last week I had finished fabricating a Trailer-Hitch-Crane system using a Harbor Freight 1/2 Ton Pickup Crane, some Craigslist 2-inch Steel Tube & about 4 square feet of 1/4-inch Steel Plate I got at an estate sale for $1.
Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing but I'm trying to learn. Making something seemed like a good way to try to learn.
Cutting a 5/8-Inch hole through the 2-Inch Tube.
Using a plasma cutter to get the steel plate to an appropriate size.
Drilling holes for the mounting bolts.
Welding the plate to the steel tube
Done!
I planned to use this crane & the help of my son to pick up the 500 pound S-Beam and move it to the garage pad. From that position I'd get it into the garage.
To be continued in the next post...
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...continued
I positioned the truck where the crane could access the beam.
Using a strap and a clevis, got the beam off the ground.
My son acted as a "wing walker" as I drove the truck to the garage pad.
Arrived on the pad and dropped the beam onto a couple of dollies.
My son & I rolled the beam into position next to the BendPak without any drama.
I used a couple of floor jacks to get the beam onto some blocks.
Mission accomplished!
Now I can use the floor jacks and the dollies to move the beam outside to clean it up for painting. I will be able to return it to its garage location between tasks and it can stay protected from the elements until it is positioned in the Lone Beech Garage at some future date.
Scott
...continued
I positioned the truck where the crane could access the beam.
Using a strap and a clevis, got the beam off the ground.
My son acted as a "wing walker" as I drove the truck to the garage pad.
Arrived on the pad and dropped the beam onto a couple of dollies.
My son & I rolled the beam into position next to the BendPak without any drama.
I used a couple of floor jacks to get the beam onto some blocks.
Mission accomplished!
Now I can use the floor jacks and the dollies to move the beam outside to clean it up for painting. I will be able to return it to its garage location between tasks and it can stay protected from the elements until it is positioned in the Lone Beech Garage at some future date.
Scott
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evanbaker08
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Subbed! Can't wait to see the final product.
Subbed! Can't wait to see the final product.
C_F
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
The hitch mounted crane is a great idea for moving an item like that!
I still can't get over how tall the trees are in your area. LOL! That was a whole lot of wood that was trucked out of there. Maybe you mentioned it earler (if so, forgive me), but I assume you are able to sell that lumber to someone?
The hitch mounted crane is a great idea for moving an item like that!
I still can't get over how tall the trees are in your area. LOL! That was a whole lot of wood that was trucked out of there. Maybe you mentioned it earler (if so, forgive me), but I assume you are able to sell that lumber to someone?
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
C_F,
I can't remember where - probably here on Garage Journal somewhere - I saw the Hitch Crane idea and ran with it. I was probably getting towards the upper end of it's capability with that beam. That was a bit of moment arm - in addition to the beam's weight - acting on the hitch.
I didn't get anything directly for the logs.
The site clearing equipment operators probably bid their price for the project based on what they got from the tree guys for the logs. My builder indicated that that bid was dramatically lower than any other bid for the job.
Coincidentally, this site clearing guy had been called in at the last minute to help clear trees on the other side of the house about mid-summer. This may have given him some insight on what he could get for the trees.
Best regards,
Scott
C_F,
I can't remember where - probably here on Garage Journal somewhere - I saw the Hitch Crane idea and ran with it. I was probably getting towards the upper end of it's capability with that beam. That was a bit of moment arm - in addition to the beam's weight - acting on the hitch.
I didn't get anything directly for the logs.
The site clearing equipment operators probably bid their price for the project based on what they got from the tree guys for the logs. My builder indicated that that bid was dramatically lower than any other bid for the job.
Coincidentally, this site clearing guy had been called in at the last minute to help clear trees on the other side of the house about mid-summer. This may have given him some insight on what he could get for the trees.
Best regards,
Scott
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Monday - November 16, 2015
While things were accomplished today, the foundation wall sub - despite assurances to the builder that they would be onsite "mid-day" - was a no-show. This is a real problem. We are now to the point where this sub will be stopping all further progress if they don't show up sometime this week.
The remainder of the stumps were popped out and cleanup of the tree debris took place all day. This was the one area that progress was made.
The timber folks didn't show to clear the last few trees. Annoying but not a show-stopper. Those remaining logs are stacked up out of the way of any short-term activities.
The one thing that was a surprise was the dumpster containers for the tree debris didn't show up until about 4:30 pm. Remarkable! As a result, the tree debris wasn't completely removed today.
I hope the last of the tree debris gets removed tomorrow and the foundation wall sub shows up. Wednesday there is a forecast of 100% for rain. Thursday & Friday still look good weather-wise.
The last of the day's disappointments was the discovery that one of the long pieces of Tornado Shelter angle iron had been bent during Friday's tree removal work. Once this issue was noticed, a replacement was ordered and will be picked up by the welder soon. He will fabricate anchors and weld them to the angle iron.
Hopefully tomorrow I will have a report with more positive developments.
Scott
Monday - November 16, 2015
While things were accomplished today, the foundation wall sub - despite assurances to the builder that they would be onsite "mid-day" - was a no-show. This is a real problem. We are now to the point where this sub will be stopping all further progress if they don't show up sometime this week.
The remainder of the stumps were popped out and cleanup of the tree debris took place all day. This was the one area that progress was made.
The timber folks didn't show to clear the last few trees. Annoying but not a show-stopper. Those remaining logs are stacked up out of the way of any short-term activities.
The one thing that was a surprise was the dumpster containers for the tree debris didn't show up until about 4:30 pm. Remarkable! As a result, the tree debris wasn't completely removed today.
I hope the last of the tree debris gets removed tomorrow and the foundation wall sub shows up. Wednesday there is a forecast of 100% for rain. Thursday & Friday still look good weather-wise.
The last of the day's disappointments was the discovery that one of the long pieces of Tornado Shelter angle iron had been bent during Friday's tree removal work. Once this issue was noticed, a replacement was ordered and will be picked up by the welder soon. He will fabricate anchors and weld them to the angle iron.
Hopefully tomorrow I will have a report with more positive developments.
Scott
Bib Overalls
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Does your builder use this foundation wall sub regularly? I am sure he is just as PO'd as you are. Swing by the concrete plants and see if he has been taking deliveries and where. Then you and your contractor can swing by for a discussion.
Does your builder use this foundation wall sub regularly? I am sure he is just as PO'd as you are. Swing by the concrete plants and see if he has been taking deliveries and where. Then you and your contractor can swing by for a discussion.
Jo Diesel
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
I don't know how well you know your builder. Usually when the subs blow someone off it is usually because the don't pay in a timely fashion. My brother is a GC and his subs drop what they are doing to work for him. The check is there when they complete the job plus some if they go above what is expected of them. But he does SUBTRACT MONEY if they don't preform
I don't know how well you know your builder. Usually when the subs blow someone off it is usually because the don't pay in a timely fashion. My brother is a GC and his subs drop what they are doing to work for him. The check is there when they complete the job plus some if they go above what is expected of them. But he does SUBTRACT MONEY if they don't preform
LutzTD
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
I find these beam clamps to work great for moving beams around, then later you can use it to hang a hoist. I have bought the HF and they are fine, I bought the 3ton one and use it for max 1000lbs so I am comfortable with even the cheap ones.
I find these beam clamps to work great for moving beams around, then later you can use it to hang a hoist. I have bought the HF and they are fine, I bought the 3ton one and use it for max 1000lbs so I am comfortable with even the cheap ones.
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Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Bib,
The builder had indicated he hasn't used this sub that often. Yes, the builder is frustrated by the sub's promises on the phone to be on the site and then it doesn't happen.
This is one of the reasons I hired a builder. He can chase this guy around, not me.
I think either the sub will show up by the end of the week or the builder will find another option.
I have to say though, this is the weirdest thing ever. Something must be going on with this sub in his personal life or his business life as the amount of this job left is minute.
Best regards,
Scott
Bib,
The builder had indicated he hasn't used this sub that often. Yes, the builder is frustrated by the sub's promises on the phone to be on the site and then it doesn't happen.
This is one of the reasons I hired a builder. He can chase this guy around, not me.
I think either the sub will show up by the end of the week or the builder will find another option.
I have to say though, this is the weirdest thing ever. Something must be going on with this sub in his personal life or his business life as the amount of this job left is minute.
Best regards,
Scott
Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)
Jo Diesel,
Actually my builder indicated - before this all kind of went sideways - that he had told this sub to send him a bill for what he had done. No response to this request from the sub.
That in itself is very strange and makes me think something is not quite right in this sub's life at the moment.
Best regards,
Scott
Jo Diesel,
Actually my builder indicated - before this all kind of went sideways - that he had told this sub to send him a bill for what he had done. No response to this request from the sub.
That in itself is very strange and makes me think something is not quite right in this sub's life at the moment.
Best regards,
Scott