Above 1200 Sq/FT The Salvage Garage

[Richard Cranium]

Good morning All, not sure what or if I will be doing much today, I got busy and got every thing I had on my list done yesterday. So I may take the wife to church this morning. I have some gift cards to spend, may take a trip to sears and harbor freight today to do that. Other then that, not much planned. It is suppose to be 65 deg, today with a breeze. I guess it will depend on how breezy it gets. Be safe and have fun...Rich

 

[Wanna Ride]

Doing well Wanna, I think of you every time I move the TXT. One of these days I will be thinking of you when I am running it. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods too.

We've been discussing that for several years. I'm guessing you've moved it many times in that timeframe.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Only a 1 HP, it's geared very low. The blade turns at only 60 rpm iirc. I'd love to have it working, right now it's just taking up real estate in my shop.

A little VFD is perfect for that application. All you would need to do is make sure the drive can bring in 240Vac single phase and output 480V 3-phase. That would give you some speed control too if you need the saw to run slower or even a little bit faster.

 

[Strouty]

Like I needed another Bridgeport, but...............



Going to pick it up tomorrow.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

You can always sell the other one if the new one is in better shape or has more features.

 

[Squashfest81]

I find Bridgeport’s multiply like Listas. Weird!

 

[86turbodsl]

Sweet! I need to get mine going.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk

 

[ttpete]

You don't see many 2Js with 3-axis power feed.

 

[rmalkow2]

Looks like a nice one!

 

[Strouty]

You don't see many 2Js with 3-axis power feed.

It only has power feed on two, DRO on 3.


I got it back to the shop, right now I just finished loading the forklift and am headed back to the shop for the second time today.

Someone commented that the ways had been redone, I personally can’t tell, but I also was not looking at that aspect. I just looked at the overall condition and figured that it was I really good shape. Now I need to do some investigating.

 

[ttpete]

It only has power feed on two, DRO on 3.


I got it back to the shop, right now I just finished loading the forklift and am headed back to the shop for the second time today.

Someone commented that the ways had been redone, I personally can’t tell, but I also was not looking at that aspect. I just looked at the overall condition and figured that it was I really good shape. Now I need to do some investigating.

It kind of looked like there was a motor on the knee.

 

[Wanna Ride]

It kind of looked like there was a motor on the knee.

For the Y axis.

 

[Strouty]

It kind of looked like there was a motor on the knee.

For the Y axis.

Exactly. The factory ones like this use a motor on the quill, not the knee.

 

[Strouty]

This was my adventure today, I brought the forklift with me and it went fairly smooth.

 

[Grumblebum]

Very nice Strouty

 

[cbacres]

Strouty, you should really consider getting rid of the forklift.......... It's an enabler, enabling you to get almost anything you come across!

Looks like a nice mill, maybe someday I'll get back into my lathe.

Have fun.

 

[Strouty]

It could have been a real issue if I had not had the outside forklift to unload the mill while the inside forklift was on site.

 

[86turbodsl]

I'm jealous now! What are you going to make with the new bport?

 

[Strouty]

I have no idea, but it is getting me excited. I spoke to the company that makes all the parts for the controls and they were super helpful. The guy told me that I stole the machine at $2000 and if I want three axis, I really need to buy one that way. Apparently this is a $7000 machine all day long. I love it when I find good deals.

 

[86turbodsl]

Nice!!!

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk

 

[Strouty]

Cleaning up the shop a bit, hope to shuffle the equipment around so I can use it.

It is funny how quickly a mess can be made, yet it seems to take forever to clean it up.

I really want to get the new mirrors mounted on the maroon burb, then I can add my vent visor thingys.

I also found that I had been using single phase plugs for my three phase stuff, not that it really matters in my shop, but I found that I had enough plugs to rewire things. I figure it is probably safer to have the correct plugs so someone could not accidentally let the magic smoke out of anything.

 

[Strouty]

I am wiring up the powermatic drill press, it works well, but the motor starter that was on it was acting weird, so I am swapping that out with another one. I will definitely be adding reverse to this one. Next thing is to work on the four head gang drill press. I reconfigured the transformer to accept 230 volts, but there are two more motors that need to be rewired. I hope it will start with the smaller starters, I would like to see it in action at least once without spending money on it.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Strouty, great score on the mill.

 

[Strouty]

Thanks 1/2 cup, now I have to sell the other one.

I got the powermatic all buttoned up, with the proper motor it will spin close to 5000 RPMs. The motor I have on it now will allow for about 3500 RPMs. It looks like this weekend will be the weekend of hooking things up, tomorrow I will work on plumbing the air compressor as well. At least I feel like I am getting something done for a change.

 

[Orionrising]

what is the status of the other mill? big project or working? I might be interested.

 

[Strouty]

Totally working, very good condition. Just a J head, so you have to swap belts for speed changes.

 

[Norcal]

A little VFD is perfect for that application. All you would need to do is make sure the drive can bring in 240Vac single phase and output 480V 3-phase. That would give you some speed control too if you need the saw to run slower or even a little bit faster.

A VFD cannot boost the input voltage, you can have 208V output w/ a 240V drive, but not the reverse, have a couple of 200V tools that VFD's made it simple to run them off 240V 1Ø, only way to get 480V is to use 480V VFD's that the phase loss protection can be disabled, plus derate the drive 50% & use a transformer to boost 240V to 480V.

 

[Strouty]

I am pretty sure they do offer 110 volt input VFDs that output 230 volts. Not sure how they do it, but I was looking into it a while ago.

This morning I am bringing the crane back from the job site so I can use it at the shop again. I really need to fix a few leaks, between that and the excavator, it is going to be an expensive spring/summer.

 

[Strouty]

The crane is back, looks like it is going to rain. I am back to the 3 phase shuffle. Need to move a few things just to get to the wiring on the big drill press.

 

[Orionrising]

What is it wired for? 1 hp motor?

Totally working, very good condition. Just a J head, so you have to swap belts for speed changes.

Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

 

[86turbodsl]

You are correct.

I am pretty sure they do offer 110 volt input VFDs that output 230 volts. Not sure how they do it, but I was looking into it a while ago.

This morning I am bringing the crane back from the job site so I can use it at the shop again. I really need to fix a few leaks, between that and the excavator, it is going to be an expensive spring/summer.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk

 

[Strouty]

What is it wired for? 1 hp motor?

Yes, but it is 3 phase.

Finding out that having the CNC makes the mill not fit anywhere that I had envisioned it, so I am trying to figure out a decent layout, while keeping access to the rear control box. I think it is going to be a compromise of access and location, the best place has the most uneven area of the floor, trying to make it work elsewhere. In order to open the panel, the front of the mill ends up almost 8 feet from the wall. Then the table needs almost 10 feet to move side to side.

 

[Strouty]

After lots of figuring, the only viable option I see is to get rid of the big drill press completely. There just isn’t enough room to justify it and believe me, I have tried to justify it for far too long. I will get it outside tomorrow, then I can finish setting things up.

 

[Orionrising]

did you consider backing the panel up to the 2nd door and opening the door to get at it? ( assuming that door is functional).

Let me know what you want for the other mill once your sure the new one is all good, I think I am interested (if I understand the concept of VFDS I think i can both convert 220 to 3 phase and actually use it as a speed control) I need to read up on that.

 

[86turbodsl]

I have been thinking for a while that drill press makes no sense for a non production shop.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk

 

[Strouty]

I have been trying to unthink that for a long time. It sunk in once I really started measuring. I even came up with schemes to remove a couple heads, mount the powermatic to the frame and add the grinder/belt sanders to the back. I just need to stop, it is going away.

I want to put both the Bridgeport and the Lathe on wheels, I can see that if I don't things will be a PITA when I need to do a big project. I have a decent idea and have seen others doing the same thing, the lathe will be a bit annoying as it will have to be leveled to a higher accuracy than the bridgeport, but I will incorporate feet that lift the machines of the wheels and it should be doable. I was first thinking that just raising them up so the pallet jack can get under them would be enough, but I am concerned that getting the pallet jack into the spaces could be a problem, this eliminates that issue. I have to see how much steel I have in stock, may need to buy some, prices of steel are through the roof right now, so I hope I have what I need.

 

[86turbodsl]

Nice idea, but I think any structure beefy enough to allow 2000+ lbs of machinery to move around is going to be both expensive and time consuming to build. Why not use some 4x4 posts and palletize them, then use your pallet jack to move them around when needed? Most of the owwm guys do that for the smaller shops with big equipment. I'm not sure I would even do that much on the lathe. Those don't like being moved around much.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk

 

[OccupantRJ]

I find Bridgeport’s multiply like Listas. Weird!

For real! There are 4 of them in my shop right now.

 

[OccupantRJ]

If you will turn the timbers under the Bridgeport in the other direction, a pallet jack will fit between them to easily move it around. I have mine like this, and the first thing I do when I go to get a machine is to mount it on 4 foot long 4x4 timbers with Spax screws, using a battery impact, no predrill needed.

 

[OccupantRJ]

did you consider backing the panel up to the 2nd door and opening the door to get at it? ( assuming that door is functional).

Let me know what you want for the other mill once your sure the new one is all good, I think I am interested (if I understand the concept of VFDS I think i can both convert 220 to 3 phase and actually use it as a speed control) I need to read up on that.

Yes, the VFD will convert single phase to 3 phase and also give you many more programmable options like braking and ramped speed. A 1 hp TECO can be had for $125 if you search a bit. Other imports are even cheaper if you trust them.