Between 705 & 1200 SQ/FT The Texas Barn in PA

[madison069]

If you don't point out the mistakes, 90% of the time, no one notices...words I need to live better by myself

Yea, but we got some keen eyes here on GJ so I’m sure someone would have said something soon. Besides, never hurt to show you’re human so others don’t beat themselves up when they make mistakes.

 

[larry4406]

I wondered what that misfire hole in the sill plate was for….

 

[drivesitfar]

I thought I saw your water faucet set up behind a gutter downspout pipe but guessing the pipe wasn’t permanently there cause looks like your water faucet is in place with no issues. Nice work on all the wiring, piping and everything.

I think I’d hire out drywall too if it was me cause even though hanging it goes pretty quick the finished product is almost an art form that the pros excel on.

I’m also liking that the entire family is putting in a good effort to help get the shop/garage finished.

 

[madison069]

I thought I saw your water faucet set up behind a gutter downspout pipe but guessing the pipe wasn’t permanently there cause looks like your water faucet is in place with no issues. Nice work on all the wiring, piping and everything.

I think I’d hire out drywall too if it was me cause even though hanging it goes pretty quick the finished product is almost an art form that the pros excel on.

I’m also liking that the entire family is putting in a good effort to help get the shop/garage finished.

Luckily, both downspouts are in the rear of the building. No downspouts in the front. The gray pipe that is to the left was just the leftover conduit I used for the line to pass through the cinder block wall. Most likely I will use the leftover piece when I run the line to the house. I have a spigot on the back side of the house I will be tying into since this water line is just a way to get some water to the front of the garage without dragging a water hose across the yard every time.

Yea, I'm not a fan of drywall work. I'm leaning toward just letting the crew do the work.

I try to leave them alone as they all have their own project and stuff going on, but it is nice when they come over to help out! I am hoping for some help with the insulation soon. I believe my father-in-law wants to come over and help. So, I will have him hand me material and also use the T support to hold the insulation up on the ceiling while I'm stapling them in place.

 

[bugnut]

Just catching up, so Happy Birthday and the building is coming along. I too would agree to hire out the drywall, I hate it almost as much as plumbing repairs!

 

[madison069]

Doesn’t this picture make anyone else itch?


I checked on the air line and it’s still holding pressure. It actually increased possibly due to the heat.


I need to figure out how to terminate those wires. Most likely a junction box. The 220v will most likely stay there to hardwire an air compressor. The 110v will go toward the doorway to install a light in the middle and an outlet by the door.

Here’s the other side of the bunker after the second coat. Plan is for concrete to go down end of October.



Tomorrow I’ll go clean up, finish up the short list of things to do and then it’s time for the insulation to go in.

 

[madison069]

Just catching up, so Happy Birthday and the building is coming along. I too would agree to hire out the drywall, I hate it almost as much as plumbing repairs!

Most likely I’ll let the crew do the job. Just need to let the money tree grow some more.

 

[madison069]

Had a couple of hours between church and softball practice, went over to the garage and cleaned up. Took a bunch of tools out of the garage I didn’t need, threw trash away, and put stuff outside that didn’t need to be inside.


Then I put one piece of insulation up to make sure I had a work system. Decided I needed to take my two step ladder over there to get the lower course of insulation in place. This will reduce the headache of moving the bigger ladder around the garage.


Based on the schedule it looks like Tuesday will be the first afternoon I will have time to work on the garage.

 

[madison069]

What's the opinion of the GJ on when to seal the floor? Should I seal the floor before or after the drywall?
My plan was to do Ghostshield 8510 on the garage floor as I don't want to do an epoxy. Being a working garage and all, I just wanted to protect the concrete and keep it nice looking.

 

[OutlawDrifter]

I'd say do it before.

 

[madison069]

I'd say do it before.

It would make sense to do it before since it should make it easier to clean afterwards and also prevent sealing in drywall mud in the future.

 

[madison069]

Some progress was made at the barn.

I got 5 bundles of the wall insulation installed. I skipped where more time needs to be spent in cutting the insulation down or fighting to stuff it behind the wires and pipes.



The pile is going down some.



Maybe tomorrow I will clear the make shift table off and start cutting the insulation down.

 

[madison069]

Oh and to clarify, I did slit the insulation horizontally below the wire location and the split the insulation in half vertically up so I can stuff half the insulation behind the wire and then stuffed the other half over the wire. Did that make sense? Beats having to split it the whole way from the bottom.

 

[madison069]

So yesterday I got the rest of the lower section of insulation installed but I didn’t get any photos.

But today I got the upper section and the first course of ceiling insulation installed along two walls.



Still got this wall and the front wall to finish the wall upper section.


I cut the upper length of insulation I needed and got some ceiling insulation out to let them fluff up some before I install them this weekend.


I’m seeing if I can borrow a rolling scaffold from someone to do the corners and the rest of the ceiling in the middle. I can do it with the plank and two ladders, but would be nice to have something a little wider and easier to move.

 

[OutlawDrifter]

Cody, are you going to do sheet metal or something for a ceiling?

Your pictures are making me itchy

 

[madison069]

Cody, are you going to do sheet metal or something for a ceiling?

Your pictures are making me itchy

I will have the drywall crew put 5/8” drywall on the ceiling and 1/2” drywall on the walls.

You telling me, soon as I get home I go straight into the shower!

 

[larry4406]

What do you mean by "first course" of ceiling insulation? Are you going to overblow it?

 

[madison069]

What do you mean by "first course" of ceiling insulation? Are you going to overblow it?

Maybe I should have said first row. Just the R-30 batt is going in the ceiling for now. Each piece of insulation is 4’ long, so I have 8 pieces to go across each column of insulation.

 

[OutlawDrifter]

That garage is going to be tight as a drum with the insulation used!

 

[madison069]

That garage is going to be tight as a drum with the insulation used!

I hope it is!! Hopefully the noise level from the garage when everything is closed will be minimum and it does a good job of keeping the heat in the building. I had a HVAC company give me an estimate for a furnace size and he said I should run a 180,000BTU unit in the garage. All I could do was say “yea, ok”. My current garage has a 80,000BTU furnace and it’s heating the 32’x62’ garage just fine. I’m just going to put a 50,000BTU in the corner of the ceiling.I’m just wanting to knock the cold down some while I’m working in there, not heat up the whole neighborhood.

 

[SilverJimmy]

Seems like some of these contractors don’t listen when we describe what we need and want in our builds. I have to have a conversation with the cabinet guy. I told him what I was looking for in cabinets, he came thru with a quote more than a 1/3 of what my first house cost. HomeDespot is looking like the only option I might be able to afford!

 

[madison069]

Seems like some of these contractors don’t listen when we describe what we need and want in our builds. I have to have a conversation with the cabinet guy. I told him what I was looking for in cabinets, he came thru with a quote more than a 1/3 of what my first house cost. HomeDespot is looking like the only option I might be able to afford!

I’ve been keeping an eye on marketplace for decent cabinets, and toolboxes. Nothing has stood out for me to redirect the money from the building process to take advantage.

One thing I keep having to explain to my wife is, the cost of stuff and labor today is not the same as it was 5 years ago. She wants the garage done as fast as possible but she is still dealing with sticker shock on some of these prices I’m giving her. She’s just glad I can do this type of work cause soon it will be the house’s turn to get freshen up. One of the first thing on the list of big projects for the house is to get rid of that stupid flat roof over the back porch and install a hip roof to match the rest of the house. Never understood why they did that in the first place!

 

[larry4406]

What do you mean by "first course" of ceiling insulation? Are you going to overblow it?

Maybe I should have said first row. Just the R-30 batt is going in the ceiling for now. Each piece of insulation is 4’ long, so I have 8 pieces to go across each column of insulation.

I saw your R30 and paused as we have to do R60 here now in VA for new homes, not sure what is required in detached garages should heating be added.

 

[madison069]

I saw your R30 and paused as we have to do R60 here now in VA for new homes, not sure what is required in detached garages should heating be added.

My area follows the 2018 IECC book and it only requires r-30 in the ceiling for new homes. Detached garage is different but I decided to just follow the r-30 rule as it won’t hurt. Also, r-15 was the minimum for the 2x6 wall but I was able to get r-19 for about the same cost as r-15 so I went with that.

But they do recommend R-49 for the ceiling just not required, but I figured it’s a garage and not a living space. I won’t have the heater on 24/7, it’s there to just knock the cold down when I’m in the garage or if I’m painting something it would run for a few days.

 

[larry4406]

My area follows the 2018 IECC book and it only requires r-30 in the ceiling for new homes. Detached garage is different but I decided to just follow the r-30 rule as it won’t hurt. Also, r-15 was the minimum for the 2x6 wall but I was able to get r-19 for about the same cost as r-15 so I went with that.

But they do recommend R-49 for the ceiling just not required, but I figured it’s a garage and not a living space. I won’t have the heater on 24/7, it’s there to just knock the cold down when I’m in the garage or if I’m painting something it would run for a few days.

Got it.

Most of our newer house building permits are now on the 2021 Code cycle with the jump to R60.

 

[OutlawDrifter]

R30 will do a solid job.

 

[madison069]

Got it.

Most of our newer house building permits are now on the 2021 Code cycle with the jump to R60.

Here is another kicker with trying to follow code, the higher up decides which codes to follow for which year.

Example, 2018 IBC says any door between an attached garage and a living space room has to be self or auto closing. But, higher up said “Naw, we don’t have to follow that cause that adds a considerable cost to the job.”
I’ve been down that rabbit hole, so I just ask the building inspector what they following today regarding “whatever topic” and go with that.

 

[madison069]

R30 will do a solid job.

I agree. I’m 100% positive that my current garage doesn’t have R30 in the ceiling and I know the walls are r-12. So yea, I’m light years ahead in that department when comparing the current to the new one.

 

[drivesitfar]

I found a couple of the yellow 6 foot wide and tall rolling scaffolding units on Craigslist a while back for I think $150 each in case your Craigslist or offerup or marketplace might have one for your ceiling work.

Once you’re done with the insulation you can roll the scaffolding over a toolbox or lawnmower or whatever and use for shelving or just take apart or lean up against a wall (or resell it).

Nice work and I’m sure you’ll get benefits from this for a long time.

 

[madison069]

I found a couple of the yellow 6 foot wide and tall rolling scaffolding units on Craigslist a while back for I think $150 each in case your Craigslist or offerup or marketplace might have one for your ceiling work.

Once you’re done with the insulation you can roll the scaffolding over a toolbox or lawnmower or whatever and use for shelving or just take apart or lean up against a wall (or resell it).

Nice work and I’m sure you’ll get benefits from this for a long time.

I thought I had one on Facebook marketplace but the guy flaked on me. I ended up borrowing a baker style scaffold from a buddy of mine. But I want to have one in my possession so I will continue to watch the marketplace and Craigslist for one.

 

[madison069]

As I mentioned, I was able to borrow a baker style scaffold. Only issue I had with it, there was no rails with it. So I used the 2x4 I had and made a set of rails for it. No modifications to the scaffold as I was able to bolt the uprights in the existing holes.


I put the middle rails on just for extra cautions.


It made working in the corner a more pleasurable experience compared to working off the ladder.



Got this corner done.

Then I got this part of the front wall done.


I was also able to get the left side of the garage done on the wall.


Just need to finish this part of the front wall and I will be done with the walls.


Maybe tomorrow I can get the front wall done and get a chunk of the ceiling done too.

 

[thammel]

As I mentioned, I was able to borrow a baker style scaffold. Only issue I had with it, there was no rails with it. So I used the 2x4 I had and made a set of rails for it. No modifications to the scaffold as I was able to bolt the uprights in the existing holes.


I put the middle rails on just for extra cautions.


It made working in the corner a more pleasurable experience compared to working off the ladder.



Got this corner done.

Then I got this part of the front wall done.


I was also able to get the left side of the garage done on the wall.


Just need to finish this part of the front wall and I will be done with the walls.


Maybe tomorrow I can get the front wall done and get a chunk of the ceiling done too.

LOL.....pleasurable??? How about less tedious and annoying!!

 

[madison069]

LOL.....pleasurable??? How about less tedious and annoying!!

I was trying to expand my vocabulary here, but it was more comfortable then worrying about slipping off the plank. it was also better, having the ability to spread out instead of trying to keep my feet on a small square area.

 

[txvwnut]

Rental places will sell scaffolding. I got two six foot frames and a three foot frame for $500. This was twenty years ago so your mileage may vary.

 

[drivesitfar]

Keep up the great work.

FYI that is similar scaffolding to what I own. If you happen to find a slightly used one maybe it also has the safety rails that is an option. Also you can stack one on top of another if you need a taller platform. They also made kick out legs to attach to help from topping over.

 

[madison069]

Keep up the great work.

FYI that is similar scaffolding to what I own. If you happen to find a slightly used one maybe it also has the safety rails that is an option. Also you can stack one on top of another if you need a taller platform. They also made kick out legs to attach to help from topping over.

I’ll keep looking, I can see it’s a handy tool to have.

 

[madison069]

So, after today’s session I was able to finish the insulation. I have a little touch up here and there, but it’s 99% done.

When I first ordered the ceiling insulation, they sent me a pack of too narrow r30 insulation, a size 16 inches. I took it back and got my money back for the wrong size, but I knew I was going to be short.

Fast forward to today and I was 8 pieces short.



So I went to Home Depot’s to return some wall insulation. Luckily I ordered some individual packs of insulation as they took one of the pack of wall insulation. But they wouldn’t take the single from the bundle of insulation. Ok, fine I’ll just sell it or use it in the house.

I go to look for insulation to finish the ceiling and they only had a pallet of the r38 pink stuff that would work for me. Would you know it, they cut that pallet of insulation and gave me a single even though it was clearly bundled as a pallet load.

So I hurried back to the garage and got the rest of the insulation installed. So now there’s some r38 in the center of the garage.


My arms are killing me from reaching up over my head the past 2 days so I decided to have a few adult beverages.


Now it’s clean up and get the floor prep for some sealer. Trying to get floor sealer done before winter really hits us.

“””Yes I need to cut the board in the attic access way. It was a runner that was too long but I didn’t decide where the attic access was going until I started insulation.”””

 

[OutlawDrifter]

Oh man, Cody!...that one spot in the winter is going to be HOT

 

[madison069]

Oh man, Cody!...that one spot in the winter is going to be HOT

I’m tempted to get a thermal image gun just to see what it looks like via temp wise! I wonder if I can borrow the local fire department’s thermal image gun?

 

[fouckhest]

Nice looking shop!

I actually need to call Ghostshield today to check on needing to do that 4500 densifier in my new storage shop, but I think its a very nice product. Have you already ordered yours?