Finallygotit
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Awesome!!
The wet garage raise
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ford33
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That garage looks real nice. Good work getting this done.
Consider the winter season as time to plan the next phase well so it should be easier.
I suspect you have a long list of items that need attention inside the house so you will be busy with the house and not the garage this winter.
Consider the winter season as time to plan the next phase well so it should be easier.
I suspect you have a long list of items that need attention inside the house so you will be busy with the house and not the garage this winter.
wssix99
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Before you do the infill, you totally need to turn the inside into a giant ball pit and invite over the neighborhood kids.
That would be epic.
Vintage Veloce
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Looking good!
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Sparkynutz
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We have 3"x4"x5" foam blocks at work that are tossed by the dozens every day. I was always tempted to start collecting and make a foam pit like fantasy factory. Concrete at the bottom would hurt pretty bad tho so I'm sure it's not a good idea.Before you do the infill, you totally need to turn the inside into a giant ball pit and invite over the neighborhood kids.
That would be epic.
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Big Dad
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Looks good, forecast here for next week is much warmer so you should have good weather to work in
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Sparkynutz
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So much for dropping garage down. The front forms are in the way of siding and garage door trim. Either I need to remove the forms or hack the tops off so I have clearance. Maybe a warmer day.
Today I mickey moused the garage door track on and half closed it to maintain some heat inside. It sure helped and less wind cleaning up inside.
I've been chucking all the wood under my deck for now out of the way and can hopefully stay there until it's used for cabinets, workbenches or burned.
It's really windy today. So far foam has held on. Hopefully it stays that way.
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Today I mickey moused the garage door track on and half closed it to maintain some heat inside. It sure helped and less wind cleaning up inside.
I've been chucking all the wood under my deck for now out of the way and can hopefully stay there until it's used for cabinets, workbenches or burned.
It's really windy today. So far foam has held on. Hopefully it stays that way.
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lakeroadster
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Remove the forms... no reason to leave them on at this point.
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Sparkynutz
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Digging front out twice is what's preventing me from removing the front forms.
Dig out in order to remove them then backfill so that I can get my mower and **** in there over winter then dig out again next spring so that I can waterproof the front wall.
It wouldn't be so bad if it was only road gravel but my uncle pushed all the clearstone up against it and it's very difficult to dig with a shovel.
We'll see how motivated I am and how warm it gets next week.
I hate working in the cold.
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Dig out in order to remove them then backfill so that I can get my mower and **** in there over winter then dig out again next spring so that I can waterproof the front wall.
It wouldn't be so bad if it was only road gravel but my uncle pushed all the clearstone up against it and it's very difficult to dig with a shovel.
We'll see how motivated I am and how warm it gets next week.
I hate working in the cold.
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C_F
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So do I, lemme tell ya!
I haven't commented in this thread much, but just wanted to pop in today & say congrats for getting your pour finished, and your garage mostly set back down. That's gotta be a great feeling, after all your hard work.
Not sure how I missed this thread until now, but I must say, from another "Cheesehead", very nice work so far.
I'm actually a concrete and masonry contractor (not,too far away, but I never work as far out as where you are located) and feel for you for the run-around you went through. Unfortunately, when times are as busy as they are, just shortly out of a major recession, and no decent labor force to hire from, contractors are surely looking for "low hanging fruit". Your project was anything but that, and it certainly doesn't help that it was going into fall, which is generally "crunch time" for seasonal work such as concrete.
I'm not sure why you feel you need to damproof the below grade walls when there's equal fill on both sides, 99.9% of frost walls aren't damproofed, and hold up longer than the lightweight structure above. It just seems like more ofa PITA for you at this point with little to zero possible benefit.
That said, we've always had our foundations sprayed (only foundations with crawl or living space below) by a local joint, and as long as the walls are relative dry and there's no frost on them, it holds just fine. THey heat the material in the box truck and spray it on. We've undoubtedly had them spray for us well into December already, probably even January. I'm not sure they would travel that far, but it may be worth a call. THey may even know someone closer to you that can do it. Best of luck!
https://www.yellowpages.com/grafton-wi/mip/chenery-bros-inc-13440331
I'm actually a concrete and masonry contractor (not,too far away, but I never work as far out as where you are located) and feel for you for the run-around you went through. Unfortunately, when times are as busy as they are, just shortly out of a major recession, and no decent labor force to hire from, contractors are surely looking for "low hanging fruit". Your project was anything but that, and it certainly doesn't help that it was going into fall, which is generally "crunch time" for seasonal work such as concrete.
I'm not sure why you feel you need to damproof the below grade walls when there's equal fill on both sides, 99.9% of frost walls aren't damproofed, and hold up longer than the lightweight structure above. It just seems like more ofa PITA for you at this point with little to zero possible benefit.
That said, we've always had our foundations sprayed (only foundations with crawl or living space below) by a local joint, and as long as the walls are relative dry and there's no frost on them, it holds just fine. THey heat the material in the box truck and spray it on. We've undoubtedly had them spray for us well into December already, probably even January. I'm not sure they would travel that far, but it may be worth a call. THey may even know someone closer to you that can do it. Best of luck!
https://www.yellowpages.com/grafton-wi/mip/chenery-bros-inc-13440331
D45
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How are things going?
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Sparkynutz
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It was pretty nice out today and felt motivated so I dug and dug and dug until I got the front forms out. Probably one of the worst pain in the butts since this project started. Do not backfill with clearstone! Digging it out *****! I got all 3 front forms removed today. There's only one form left to remove which is inside trapped between my cribbing and the drain pipe.
It's supposed to rain like crazy next two days so I just shoved some sheets of insulation were the forms were and put the forms up against it on top of some beams tapered away from garage to keep the majority of the rain out of the trench next to wall.
Tomorrow I bring skid loader back to my uncles and clean up what I can inside.
Hopefully set garage down in the next few days. Concrete held up during the cold weekend. No cracks yet. Hopefully it stays that way. There's honeycomb same spot on outside that it was on inside. Definitely needs to be patched with concrete before it's backfilled in spring.
I'm going to try and backfill with stacks of beams instead of dirt so that I can take them out and apply waterproofing easier come spring.
Deer gun hunting starts this weekend and will be getting ready for that too. I typically bowhunt too but no time this year with garage project. Definitely next year!
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It's supposed to rain like crazy next two days so I just shoved some sheets of insulation were the forms were and put the forms up against it on top of some beams tapered away from garage to keep the majority of the rain out of the trench next to wall.
Tomorrow I bring skid loader back to my uncles and clean up what I can inside.
Hopefully set garage down in the next few days. Concrete held up during the cold weekend. No cracks yet. Hopefully it stays that way. There's honeycomb same spot on outside that it was on inside. Definitely needs to be patched with concrete before it's backfilled in spring.
I'm going to try and backfill with stacks of beams instead of dirt so that I can take them out and apply waterproofing easier come spring.
Deer gun hunting starts this weekend and will be getting ready for that too. I typically bowhunt too but no time this year with garage project. Definitely next year!
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Sparkynutz
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Well. I got a little carried away after work tonight. It's 2am and I just finished setting garage down. After looking at it closer from the outside I wish I hadn't put those trim pieces on and made a lip in concrete. The siding really sticks past now and just doesn't look right. If I ever re-do the siding I can just hang it another inch lower and it would look better.
Time for bed. Gotta get up early.
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spudley
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You might be the only one noticing that, but if you rehang your siding and need an aluminum brake, let me know.
Good luck hunting.
Good luck hunting.
garagelogician
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That's awesome man, great work!Well. I got a little carried away after work tonight. It's 2am and I just finished setting garage down. After looking at it closer from the outside I wish I hadn't put those trim pieces on and made a lip in concrete. The siding really sticks past now and just doesn't look right. If I ever re-do the siding I can just hang it another inch lower and it would look better.
Time for bed. Gotta get up early.
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Vintage Veloce
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The eagle has landed!
ford33
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Your project would make a good college case study for structural and civil enginners. It has components for calculating bending moments for beams, concrete form design and placement and the order of work performed.
If there are engineers on here reading these posts they should contact you.
If there are engineers on here reading these posts they should contact you.
Falcon67
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>If there are engineers on here reading these posts they should contact you.
LOL - when I raised the 16x22 shed at the old place, I just updated the joists, added some hurricane ties between the top plates and wall studs, made a couple of beams from 2x4s, tied such to the joists, rolled floor jacks under some cut studs and started jacking the building. No cribbing, engineering, etc. Walls came up with the roof and temp supports were used until I got it level, then a couple of false walls were place to hold it up until the wall plates were repaired and support added.
LOL - when I raised the 16x22 shed at the old place, I just updated the joists, added some hurricane ties between the top plates and wall studs, made a couple of beams from 2x4s, tied such to the joists, rolled floor jacks under some cut studs and started jacking the building. No cribbing, engineering, etc. Walls came up with the roof and temp supports were used until I got it level, then a couple of false walls were place to hold it up until the wall plates were repaired and support added.
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GLTHFJ60
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Congrats!!!
Vintage Veloce
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What is all that "cat fur" under the siding in the last pic?
Bib Overalls
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You are obviously one of those people I like. You plan ahead and sweat the details. This approach produces something you can really be proud of but it can be tedious. Placing concrete when it is cold produces a strong slab. As long as it does not freeze before it cures you will be OK.
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Sparkynutz
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It's frayed house wrap. Looks like ****.
We'll see how money situation is next spring. I might do like my old house and just remove bottom course of siding and replace with insulation and groundbreaker down to grade for a more finished look.
Then if I ever do new siding just go overtop of the groundbreaker to original height siding started or a touch lower.
Tomorrow I'm removing some of the beams, getting garage door closed, ramps built, yard cleaned up and van in the garage for the wife.
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We'll see how money situation is next spring. I might do like my old house and just remove bottom course of siding and replace with insulation and groundbreaker down to grade for a more finished look.
Then if I ever do new siding just go overtop of the groundbreaker to original height siding started or a touch lower.
Tomorrow I'm removing some of the beams, getting garage door closed, ramps built, yard cleaned up and van in the garage for the wife.
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couch67
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been following behind the scenes but I have to say Wow! what an accomplishment! Looks great - and just in time for winter.
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D45
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Crivitz! I was up there the last few years hunting near the Nicolet Forest
Anyways, I think the siding might be ok......but if its bothers you, fix it in the spring
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Sparkynutz
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Majority of beams are removed.
Garage door closes but definitely needs some minor tweaking to the track. It closed hard by hand before I raised the garage so I know it's not just from raising it.
Man door is back in too.
I started cleaning out house garage to make room for wife's van before winter.
My truck will have to sit out one more year because my side is all full of **** yet that will eventually go in detatched garage and I don't feel like moving it all 3 times just so I can park in garage this winter.
Figure around June or so when it dries out decent I'll be coating foundation exterior then backfill 12 inches and compact.
Next fill inside and compact.
Then grade exterior to finish grade black dirt on top, fix rest of lawn and seed.
Last. Concrete inside, get my stuff organized, in place and install garage door on side wall.
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Garage door closes but definitely needs some minor tweaking to the track. It closed hard by hand before I raised the garage so I know it's not just from raising it.
Man door is back in too.
I started cleaning out house garage to make room for wife's van before winter.
My truck will have to sit out one more year because my side is all full of **** yet that will eventually go in detatched garage and I don't feel like moving it all 3 times just so I can park in garage this winter.
Figure around June or so when it dries out decent I'll be coating foundation exterior then backfill 12 inches and compact.
Next fill inside and compact.
Then grade exterior to finish grade black dirt on top, fix rest of lawn and seed.
Last. Concrete inside, get my stuff organized, in place and install garage door on side wall.
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Platonic Solid
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Do you really want to look at a driveway from your deck?
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Sparkynutz
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We have a Firepit there now. Would be nice to integrate that into it somehow.
I definitely want to install an approach at road even if it stays grass if I store a boat, trailer, camper etc. Outside.
I also ride motorcycle to work and would be nice to drive into garage from behind house too.
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I definitely want to install an approach at road even if it stays grass if I store a boat, trailer, camper etc. Outside.
I also ride motorcycle to work and would be nice to drive into garage from behind house too.
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lakeroadster
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Looking good Sparky.. quite an accomplishment.
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Have to agree. When this started I was thinking, "Here's someone so clearly over their head with a project of significant difficulty and limited support with a tight budget, this can't turn out well."
As usual, as swmbo would say, I was wrong. Congrats!
Looks great! Looking forward to seeing continued progress.
As usual, as swmbo would say, I was wrong. Congrats!
Looks great! Looking forward to seeing continued progress.
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Sparkynutz
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I was thinking the same thing myself but I have yet to tackle a project that I'm not able to push through and accomplish.
When I resided my old house and installed vented soffet when there was no venting there was to much air movement past the corners I got ice on the ceilings that winter. The 2x4 rafters were notched with almost no room for batt insulation between the baffles, roof sheeting and inside ceiling drywall. I had to run dehumidifiers and fight nose bleeds keeping humidity at 20-30% all winter to prevent ice buildup on my ceilings. I had a 4/12 pitch ranch and 16" of insulation on rest of attic. I spent many hours trying to stuff insulation into corners from the attic with no luck.
The next summer I had no choice but tear the roof off sheeting and all then take out the insulation and spray foam the side wall from soffet to corner and 4ft of ceiling.
I had half my roof open sheeting and all sky was getting dark and rain was forcasted 4 hours away. The spray foam typical of my luck no showed and didn't return my 10 calls that day. My luck kicked in and I found a spray foam guy on Google that just happened to be delayed on job that day he had planned doing so he had material and his spray rig was ready to go. 45 minutes later he was at my house spraying. We tossed some sheeting down and plastic just as the rain started.
He came back 3 days later to finish the other 1/2 of roof. My buddies and I got roof all buttoned up with new sheeting and shingles on. I didn't have any ice issues years after that and pretty sure it helped my heating bill too. That project could have easily ended very badly and ruined my house just as tackling this before winter could have easily wrecked the garage.
Hard work, good friends, and a little luck has always got me through.
Sure didn't hurt having a good wife supporting me the whole way either.
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Sparkynutz
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Hosed deer hunting opening weekend.
I sat out sun up to sun down saturday and didn't see as much as a deer shadow.
Last year same stand I saw 5 and shot mine by 9am when I left and year before I saw 13 Saturday.
Today I sat out till noon and saw nothing again so instead of going back out I got electrical ran to the garage.
It's all piped and new panel is installed.
I just used the original 6-3 and 50 amp breakers for now but put in 1.5" pvc so I can upgrade easily to 100 amp down the road if needed. I wanted same CH panel as house instead of BR that Previous owner cheaped out and put in. I know it didn't really matter but I like the tan breakers and have same type extra breakers on hand. I'll sell the old panel when I get around to it.
I dropped new panel down 3 inches from old panel and I'm going to put an access board top and bottom so I don't have to remove the whole sheet of drywall every time I add a circuit.
Tomorrow I'll hook up the rest of the circuits and get some real power in garage.
Gotta leave for work now so I can pay for some concrete.
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I sat out sun up to sun down saturday and didn't see as much as a deer shadow.
Last year same stand I saw 5 and shot mine by 9am when I left and year before I saw 13 Saturday.
Today I sat out till noon and saw nothing again so instead of going back out I got electrical ran to the garage.
It's all piped and new panel is installed.
I just used the original 6-3 and 50 amp breakers for now but put in 1.5" pvc so I can upgrade easily to 100 amp down the road if needed. I wanted same CH panel as house instead of BR that Previous owner cheaped out and put in. I know it didn't really matter but I like the tan breakers and have same type extra breakers on hand. I'll sell the old panel when I get around to it.
I dropped new panel down 3 inches from old panel and I'm going to put an access board top and bottom so I don't have to remove the whole sheet of drywall every time I add a circuit.
Tomorrow I'll hook up the rest of the circuits and get some real power in garage.
Gotta leave for work now so I can pay for some concrete.
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D45
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Look good!!
MikeF2316
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You should be proud of what you accomplished.
It's been 11 days... Any updates?
It's been 11 days... Any updates?
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Sparkynutz
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I havent done much garage wise other than minor cleanup. I did a bunch of projects in the house and relaxed a bit.
I picked up a 5k watt electric heater for $65 on black friday and just got some 220v 30A plugs and recrptacles in msil today from amazon. $9 each. Way cheaper than anyplace else I could find. The next project is do a quickinsulation job to atleast keep the heat in there while working this winter. Currently any heating used is pointless with full soffet around perimeter and ridge vent any heat goes right out.
I have a couple ideas but torn on what to do yet. I have 40 or so sheets 4x8' of 2" white expanded polystyrene R8. I plan on using 8 sheets to insulate exterior of wall before backfilling so i will have about 32 sheets left.
My ideas are-
1. Cut to width and put on underside of roof between studs and put small supports every so often to hold it in place then spray foam over the whole thing with a minimal thickness sealing it and seams. Being 2" foam there would be a 1.5" gap between foam and sheeting from soffet up to the ridge vent to keep roof cold and vented.
2. If this is even possible to get full 4x8 sheets into rafters fasten right to bottom of roof studs leaving full 3.5" for air flow instead of 1.5" and tape seams. This would be much cheaper, quicker and least work.
3. Drywall ceiling and blow insulation in. Most expensive most work option and lose ability to store **** easily in ceiling.
I have a lot of **** up there now that ill eventually use but have no where to put until garage floor is done and cabinets built etc.
In the end I would like to do option 1 or 2 and a couple years later 3 for lower heating cost.
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I picked up a 5k watt electric heater for $65 on black friday and just got some 220v 30A plugs and recrptacles in msil today from amazon. $9 each. Way cheaper than anyplace else I could find. The next project is do a quickinsulation job to atleast keep the heat in there while working this winter. Currently any heating used is pointless with full soffet around perimeter and ridge vent any heat goes right out.
I have a couple ideas but torn on what to do yet. I have 40 or so sheets 4x8' of 2" white expanded polystyrene R8. I plan on using 8 sheets to insulate exterior of wall before backfilling so i will have about 32 sheets left.
My ideas are-
1. Cut to width and put on underside of roof between studs and put small supports every so often to hold it in place then spray foam over the whole thing with a minimal thickness sealing it and seams. Being 2" foam there would be a 1.5" gap between foam and sheeting from soffet up to the ridge vent to keep roof cold and vented.
2. If this is even possible to get full 4x8 sheets into rafters fasten right to bottom of roof studs leaving full 3.5" for air flow instead of 1.5" and tape seams. This would be much cheaper, quicker and least work.
3. Drywall ceiling and blow insulation in. Most expensive most work option and lose ability to store **** easily in ceiling.
I have a lot of **** up there now that ill eventually use but have no where to put until garage floor is done and cabinets built etc.
In the end I would like to do option 1 or 2 and a couple years later 3 for lower heating cost.
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TractorJeff
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Number two would be cheaper than number one (spray foam) especially if you may later go with number three. Personally I would go with number three and be done with it. You can always have a small platform area up there to store stuff on.
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Sparkynutz
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If I was done setting up my shop I'd definitely do #3 right away but I will be adding a lot of wiring for receptacles and task lighting which would be so much easier with an open ceiling with no worry of all the blow in insulation making a mess if I need to remove a few sheets.
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