Tooling (Re)Organization

[lilscorpion]

Subbed. You make the sickest stuff. And now you have a Jeep. It's like the pinnacle of threads.

Didn’t realize my garage thread had been Jeep bombed...that’s my 2014 JKU, 37’s, Dynatrac 60’s w/ 4.88’s, ++. It’s one of my “other projects”.



She’s gotten kinda pissed that I’ve been spending so little time working on her and so much on the shop. It’s easy to tell when she’s jealous...



At some point, once it’s warm enough to touch metal again with my hands, I’ll have no choice but to take a week off from working on the shop to give her a new stereo and the ARB Intensity lights my kids have her for Christmas.


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[jeepinerdeep]

Didn’t realize my garage thread had been Jeep bombed...that’s my 2014 JKU, 37’s, Dynatrac 60’s w/ 4.88’s, ++. It’s one of my “other projects”.



She’s gotten kinda pissed that I’ve been spending so little time working on her and so much on the shop. It’s easy to tell when she’s jealous...



At some point, once it’s warm enough to touch metal again with my hands, I’ll have no choice but to take a week off from working on the shop to give her a new stereo and the ARB Intensity lights my kids have her for Christmas.


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You had me at Dynatracs 60's.

 

[bj383ss]

I think you made a ton of progress. As you stated drawers take time and cold weather doesn't help. The fact that you added a divider in the left and came out with perfect dimension for woodworking is awesome. Looking forward to how the inside organization of the drawers ends up.

I was working at an out of town store the last 3 weeks and took home 6 brand new sheets of 3/4 ply they were throwing away. I kept wondering what I can use them for. Maybe I need a new workbench with more drawers.

Bret

 

[zmotorsports]

Nice Jeep with some nice mods.

 

[lilscorpion]

Looking forward to how the inside organization of the drawers ends up.

Probably one of the only benefits to repetitive tasks is it gives me time to think and thus far I’m somewhat stumped as to how I’m going to organize. I’ll likely machine more plastic because it’s worked so well in the past but the discussions around 3D printing and my latest research on CNC Routers... I too am looking forward to seeing what I come up with. Ha!

I was working at an out of town store the last 3 weeks and took home 6 brand new sheets of 3/4 ply they were throwing away. I kept wondering what I can use them for. Maybe I need a new workbench with more drawers.

Bret

Few plywood is king and 3 sheets would probably build a bench and drawers (except the drawer bottoms). Right place, right time. [emoji41]




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[BoilermakerFan]

If I bought a new NCS today I'd probably get this Hitachi - Hitachi N3804AB3. I don't personally own a Hitachi yet but some guys I know swear by them and they consistently get good reviews.

Getting caught up with your thread... I'll second the Hitachi. I have my dad's and it is sweet! Love it. He gets to boorow it when he needs it.

She’s gotten kinda pissed that I’ve been spending so little time working on her and so much on the shop. It’s easy to tell when she’s jealous...

That is hilarious!


So, thanks to this thread I have been researching 3D printers pretty much every evening I'm not working... And I know I want to primarily print PC and Nylons with fiber reinforcement. Long story short, to get the best strength and performance, you really have to have a heated bed AND a heated print envelope. The Prusa i3 style printers are not ideal for printing these materials because of the X/Y table movements. They can do it, but it's not ideal.

My research led me to the Folger Tech FT-5 R2. The Rev2 eliminated all the issues that people had with the printer and it's two-thirds the cost of the i3 Mk3 kit plus you can get a bigger discount off it if you join the Folger Tech Facebook page. Tons of support and upgrades for the FT-5 to make a very good large format printer even better so I'm pretty stoked and I will be ordering shortly. The only major upgrade it needs at the beginning is a E3D Titan Aero extruder/V6 hot end. Then there is a FrankenShuttle upgrade that you print out for the Titan Aero. You probably wouldn't need to upgrade the extruder and hot end for PLA or PETG, but for Nylons and PCs it's pretty much required.

After I have it built I will be adding it to my Killing Time thread along with all of the mods I will be doing to it.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Oh, I also noticed you used the Festool Dominos for assembly so I went off the web to check it out thinking it would be a $400-$500 machine.

Holy ****! They are REALLY proud of that machine. No domino joiner for me.

 

[EOC_Jason]

About to fix up this little stand I'm converting to add a drawer and some shelves... Since you seem to be the master at making drawers, any tips for a first-timer?

I was looking at your pics on the previous page, what's with the pieces you have labeled "4-1/8" & "3-5/8" ???

 

[lilscorpion]

So, thanks to this thread I have been researching 3D printers pretty much every evening I'm not working... And I know I want to primarily print PC and Nylons with fiber reinforcement. Long story short, to get the best strength and performance, you really have to have a heated bed AND a heated print envelope...



After I have it built I will be adding it to my Killing Time thread along with all of the mods I will be doing to it.

I do have some challenges adopting new technology and you’re unfortunately reinforcing my apprehension...i just want to use one not work on one. [emoji12]


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[lilscorpion]

Oh, I also noticed you used the Festool Dominos for assembly so I went off the web to check it out thinking it would be a $400-$500 machine.



Holy ****! They are REALLY proud of that machine. No domino joiner for me.

I too thought that way until I started using it. It’s the easiest way to do accurate joinery I’ve ever seen and a total game changer. If mine broke Saturday I’d have a replacement within 24 hours, no BS.


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[BoilermakerFan]

I do have some challenges adopting new technology and you’re unfortunately reinforcing my apprehension...i just want to use one not work on one. [emoji12]

Ah man, you don't need to have apprehension. If you just want to print tool trays I suspect PLA filament will be just fine and the bone stock printer would work just fine. Most people are really happy with the FT-5 with only the upgraded extruder/hot end which just gives it a much more consistent feed and melt so the final results just look so much nicer.

I will be installing upgrades on mine because, well... UPGRADES! The upgrades will make the printer more rigid and provide the absolute best printing environment I can make for a hobby level printer for printing difficult materials. I want to have the absolute best finished parts I can in order to ensure that my prototype designs for my motorcycles will fit before I machine them out of steel or aluminum on CNC mills. Other pieces will be replacement panels or fenders, housings, etc. So I want those to have the best surface finishes I can get and ensure the material is well bonded and strong. The FT-5 R2 will be my first printer and my test mule before I build a larger one from scratch so I can print my own custom fenders in ABS or PC with fiber reinforcement.

The other thing I will use mine for is multiple filament printing to make gifts and figurines for my kids and nieces/nephews. You just download the designs, make any tweaks to colors and/or support material, and then print it. There are FDA approved food safe filaments available too so I can print some cool water bottles, cups, plates, etc. for our camper. Just to have fun with it.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

I too thought that way until I started using it. It’s the easiest way to do accurate joinery I’ve ever seen and a total game changer. If mine broke Saturday I’d have a replacement within 24 hours, no BS.

That's cool, but I still have a hard time justifying either unit... If they were 30% cheaper, then I'd probably go for the smaller one first, but $1200+ for the XL (which is really the one I want...) is just more than I'm willing to spend while I still live in this house with my crappy garage. I'll just have to make a big doweling jig... maybe when an opportunity to move out of Indiana presents itself and land in our forever home i will make the investment in both sizes since I could see myself doing a lot of cabinets and framing projects.

 

[lilscorpion]

Ah man, you don't need to have apprehension. If you just want to print tool trays...

... The upgrades will make the printer more rigid and provide the absolute best printing environment I can make for a hobby level printer for printing difficult materials. I want to have the absolute best finished parts I can in order to ensure that my prototype designs for my motorcycles will fit before I machine them out of steel or aluminum on CNC mills.

Umm...my brain can’t even rationalize having something lesser. By now you guys know me.

My concern isn’t the act of having to go through the learning curve, it’s the time it takes. Maybe I’m not looking at this the right way. If I bought a CNC router I’d spend the two weekends getting it up and going because I know how much I’d use it. Maybe the problem here is I’m not yet sure?




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[BoilermakerFan]

Umm...my brain can’t even rationalize having something lesser. By now you guys know me.

My concern isn’t the act of having to go through the learning curve, it’s the time it takes. Maybe I’m not looking at this the right way. If I bought a CNC router I’d spend the two weekends getting it up and going because I know how much I’d use it. Maybe the problem here is I’m not yet sure?

Perhaps I can rephrase it... I will be building my FT-5 bone stock (except for the wiring, which will be upgraded out the gate to make it easier for later upgrades) to get it up and running. The Rev2 version is vetted out now so there aren't really any issues with it.

Then I will print the parts for the FrakenShuttle to upgrade to the E3D Titan Aero extruder/hotend combo and leveling sensor. I'll print in PETG and PLA just to get the experience with the printer. Then I'll start the bigger upgrades. This does two things that were pointed out earlier. First, it gets the machine up and running to make sure there are no bad parts out the gate. Second, it gets me printing, gives me a better understanding of the machine, and spreads out the cost of the upgrades over a wider span of time.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Speaking of CNC router, a 3D printer kit would give you great experience to tackle a DIY or CNC router kit. The stepper drivers, power supply, and X/Y axis just get bigger while the Z axis stays the same or gets smaller. If I didn't have access to HAAS CNCs and a full sheet CNC router I would be building my own too. Eventually I see a Tormach PCNC mill in my future.

 

[lilscorpion]

Perhaps I can rephrase it... I will be building my FT-5 bone stock (except for the wiring, which will be upgraded out the gate to make it easier for later upgrades) to get it up and running. The Rev2 version is vetted out now so there aren't really any issues with it.

Then I will print the parts for the FrakenShuttle to upgrade to the E3D Titan Aero extruder/hotend combo and leveling sensor. I'll print in PETG and PLA just to get the experience with the printer. Then I'll start the bigger upgrades. This does two things that were pointed out earlier. First, it gets the machine up and running to make sure there are no bad parts out the gate. Second, it gets me printing, gives me a better understanding of the machine, and spreads out the cost of the upgrades over a wider span of time.

That’s all rational (maybe too rational). I think I’m partially reliving the horrors of my first Torchmate CNC plasma table. Spent way too much time messing with it and not enough time cutting. Part of the problem was it was so new to me I didn’t know it couldn’t be fixed. Ended up selling it and buying a machine that addressed all the issues I’d grown to hate.

And

I know me. If it’s even half of what you say it is, I’ll not only upgrade it but I’ll buy a second and maybe even a third so I can run multiple parts around the clock. I’ll even be able to justify it (somehow). My only self defense mechanism against crazy-ville is hesitation and apprehension.



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[BoilermakerFan]

That’s all rational (maybe too rational). I think I’m partially reliving the horrors of my first Torchmate CNC plasma table. Spent way too much time messing with it and not enough time cutting. Part of the problem was it was so new to me I didn’t know it couldn’t be fixed. Ended up selling it and buying a machine that addressed all the issues I’d grown to hate.

And

I know me. If it’s even half of what you say it is, I’ll not only upgrade it but I’ll buy a second and maybe even a third so I can run multiple parts around the clock. I’ll even be able to justify it (somehow). My only self defense mechanism against crazy-ville is hesitation and apprehension.

Totally understand! By taking a week to do more research I discovered that the Prusa i3 MK3, while a phenomenal printer with great support, would not be an ideal fit for my needs. There are several 3D printing forums on the web, but I don't below to any yet. I just searched for recommendations for kits and hobbyist level 3D printers for printing Nylon. That led me to a couple models, one being the FT-5. From there I focused on reviews, issues, upgrades, etc. for the FT-5. There are a ton of videos on YouTube for the FT-5 too, so that helped put my mind at ease.

And it does seem that guys end up with two or three FT-5s! And it will fit on top of the Milwaukee 30" tool chest! I'll just need to make a top plate to extend the top 2" so I can put it in my basement hobby shop.

My plan is to build an even bigger envelope printer in the FT-5 style with dual extruder printer heads. With dual heads I could print up to 8 different filaments at the same time or run 4 to each head and run double the parts.

 

[gasserdan]

LilScorpin, You are a madman. An absolute madman. Love everything you have done.

 

[lilscorpion]

—> FT-5. <—

Alright damn it, what price am I hunting for and/or where to buy? Time to engage.



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[BoilermakerFan]

Alright damn it, what price am I hunting for and/or where to buy? Time to engage.



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Folger Tech:

FT-5 R2

$499 online, but if your join the Folger Tech Facebook page there is a pinned discount code. Give me a few minutes and I'll send you a DM.

 

[lilscorpion]

LilScorpin, You are a madman. An absolute madman. Love everything you have done.

Thank you sir. Much much more to come!



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[BoilermakerFan]

DM sent!

 

[Sawdustmaker]

Oh, I also noticed you used the Festool Dominos for assembly so I went off the web to check it out thinking it would be a $400-$500 machine.

Holy ****! They are REALLY proud of that machine. No domino joiner for me.

I did the same thing, with the same reaction. When I saw it was made by Festool I knew it would be $$$$$. Anything they make is costly.,, good tool, but mainly for the trade. For now I'll stick to my doweling jig and biscuit plate jointer.

 

[lilscorpion]

I did the same thing, with the same reaction. When I saw it was made by Festool I knew it would be $$$$$. Anything they make is costly.,, good tool, but mainly for the trade. For now I'll stick to my doweling jig and biscuit plate jointer.

To justify the expense it has to be used for more than one project every so often, I get it. I think the primary difference between the domino and doweling jigs is that it can cut oversized (width) mortises so you don’t need to be absolutely perfect in locating them. Dowels need to be perfect.

Festools are expensive but as you begin to use them and leverage the capabilities some of them provide, you realize why. Though I get it, I’d prefer realizing them at half the price.


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[Sawdustmaker]

To justify the expense it has to be used for more than one project every so often, I get it. I think the primary difference between the domino and doweling jigs is that it can cut oversized (width) mortises so you don’t need to be absolutely perfect in locating them. Dowels need to be perfect.

Festools are expensive but as you begin to use them and leverage the capabilities some of them provide, you realize why. Though I get it, I’d prefer realizing them at half the price.

True, point well taken. For what I do I couldn't justify the expense. Festool makes excellent tools. Almost bought their pin nailer at a woodworking show a few years ago.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Alright damn it, what price am I hunting for and/or where to buy? Time to engage.

Did you pull the trigger yet?

 

[lilscorpion]

Did you pull the trigger yet?

Emeresed in videos for the past two nights. I’m gonna buy one but now I’m thinking I need to build a space for it (with room for maybe 2 more) in the basement. Damn squirrels.


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[lilscorpion]

Did you pull the trigger yet?

Any DIY laser kits like this? Or conversions? I feel I’m on a slippery slope but I think I like it.


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[BoilermakerFan]

Any DIY laser kits like this? Or conversions? I feel I’m on a slippery slope but I think I like it.


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I'm going to search for a laser etching head that is compatible. There are other 3D printers out there that have an option for a laser engraver, so I don't see why not.

 

[lilscorpion]

Update: A Folger Tech FT-5 R2 3D Printer is now officially on order and I’ll find it difficult not to incorporate 3D printing into my (re)organizational strategy. According to the videos I’ve watched, I have ~ a 20hr assembly to get up and running. Personal experienced says I’ve got some software learning to do too. Gonna be sweet having additional capabilities and I already have a laundry list of ideas.






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[bimmer1980]

This will be intriguing to see as well!

My brother bought a lower end 3D printer (~$280) and it took quite a bit of fussing with the settings to get it to print well. I'll be interested to see how your set up goes.

A 3D printer is on my wish list, but not sure if I'm game for the set up time yet......

 

[lilscorpion]

This will be intriguing to see as well!

My brother bought a lower end 3D printer (~$280) and it took quite a bit of fussing with the settings to get it to print well. I'll be interested to see how your set up goes.

A 3D printer is on my wish list, but not sure if I'm game for the set up time yet......

I hear you. The setup time is time I don’t feel like I have but I think it’ll be worth the effort. What I don’t know is when I’ll start to realize the value.


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[BoilermakerFan]

Update: A Folger Tech FT-5 R2 3D Printer is now officially on order and I’ll find it difficult not to incorporate 3D printing into my (re)organizational strategy. According to the videos I’ve watched, I have ~ a 20hr assembly to get up and running. Personal experienced says I’ve got some software learning to do too. Gonna be sweet having additional capabilities and I already have a laundry list of ideas.

I hear you. The setup time is time I don’t feel like I have but I think it’ll be worth the effort. What I don’t know is when I’ll start to realize the value.

Woot! Woot! Congrats man! The more I research it the more I'm stoked to get mine too.

Are you getting the Titan Aero extruder/V6 Hotend upgrade right off the bat?

Did you check out 713maker yet? I'm already on the waiting list.

I don't know what other hobbies you have, but I'm sure you'll find stuff to print for the Jeep too. As others have said on the GJ, it seems like as soon as you have one, you begin to wonder how you lived without it. I haven't told my son we're getting a 3D printer yet otherwise the wait would kill him.

 

[lilscorpion]

[emoji481] Woot! Woot! Congrats man! The more I research it the more I'm stoked to get mine too.

Are you getting the Titan Aero extruder/V6 Hotend upgrade right off the bat?

Did you check out 713maker yet? I'm already on the waiting list.

I don't know what other hobbies you have, but I'm sure you'll find stuff to print for the Jeep too. As others have said on the GJ, it seems like as soon as you have one, you begin to wonder how you lived without it. I haven't told my son we're getting a 3D printer yet otherwise the wait would kill him.

I’m on the waiting list at 713Maker. Hadn’t purchased the Titan yet. Wasn’t sure if the config I need. I suspect 24v..



I haven’t told my son yet either (he’s 14) though I suspect he might already know since he caught me looking at Thingiverse...hell, I can’t wait.

Speaking of Thingiverse...you’re right, I can’t believe I’ve waited so long. I found more than a couple dozen parts that people shared I wish I already had.




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[BoilermakerFan]

I’m on the waiting list at 713Maker. Hadn’t purchased the Titan yet. Wasn’t sure if the config I need. I suspect 24v..



I haven’t told my son yet either (he’s 14) though I suspect he might already know since he caught me looking at Thingiverse...hell, I can’t wait.

Speaking of Thingiverse...you’re right, I can’t believe I’ve waited so long. I found more than a couple dozen parts that people shared I wish I already had.

Oh man, that makes it even better!

Glad you jumped on the 713 wait list too. Even if you don't go for the brackets, the bed, extruder shuttle and axis upgrades are pretty amazing pieces of kit. I'll probably just go for the deluxe kit and get the brackets for the looks.

Yes, for the FT-5 R2 you will need the 24V unit. If you print out the quick swap FrakenShuttle like Sean did on the YouTube channel, you can add a second Aero with a 3mm filament hot end, but start with the 1.75mm.

Several guys on the 3D forums, especially the FT ones have used the Duet WiFi board for an upgrade too. I'll eventually add the Duet WiFi board and upgrade the stepper motors and stepper drivers.

There are some DIY laser etching conversions, but I haven't found a definitive solution that everyone seems to get as apposed to most of the other FT-5 upgrades...

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Oh, I'll be looking into a heater setup for an enclosed FT-5. They're easy to enclose, but to get the best out of ABS and Nylon, they need to be heated. I have a few single loop temp controllers so I'm going to see what it takes. I'd really like to add a small heat exchanger setup so I can also pull off the odors and vent them outside without losing the heat. I'll probably tackle that little DIY project this summer.

 

[EltonS29]

If I bought a 3D printer, I would initially take it with a laser. These are laser engravers. Who knows, maybe tomorrow you'll want to open your tanneries. You can first take a low-power as in the link https://www.bestadvisor.com/laser-engraver . In my experience, they are in no way inferior, but more compact. If there are problems with the installation, then the instruction has always helped me, but with the accuracy of the drawing data, programs that convert raster images to vector, and vector to gcode help. For example, free distributed programs InkScape, SketchUp, GBRLcontroller, Repetierhost, Cura.
I hope I was able to help something.

 

[XJSuperman]

Im almost sorry I opened this avenue of insanity for you.....almost. Good luck on the new tech.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Im almost sorry I opened this avenue of insanity for you.....almost. Good luck on the new tech.

Thanks a lot man, you didn't just do this to lilscorpion.

 

[EOC_Jason]

So, I know what lilscorpion is planning to print with his...

What are some things you guys have printed, or plan to print?