Nocturnal-G
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According to Bondhus, they have lifetime warranty so I guess I can. They were all magnetic as well... straight out of the box...
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According to Bondhus, they have lifetime warranty so I guess I can. They were all magnetic as well... straight out of the box...
marlinspike
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I know watches sometimes get magnetized in shipping,so it wouldn't surprise me to hear the same about tools. As far as the coating, even the sure-grip chrome on Wihas comes off. I really don't know what those coatings are for given how quickly they wear.
shoturtle
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It is the coating not the metal. With the coating gone, it is not quite as thick. So the screws are not sitting as snug.
In the last pic it sure looks like the edge is worn and no longer straight. In any case, if the coating is so thick as to noticably affect fit, and that coating wears off quickly leaving a driver that cams out easily -there's a problem.
shoturtle
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I agree, not a big fan of heavy coated tips really.
N.I.
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The real sharp edges on new screwdrivers will wear off with use and is only natural.
It is hard to make out a whole lot from your photos, but the tip does not look bad. The fact that you say it slips constantly would lead me to question if you are using the right screwdriver for the job, or if you are working with poor quality screws?
Screwdrivers at the end of the day are a consumable item - ask your electrician how often they replace their most common drivers.
Screwing in/ out screws with the driver at an angle to the screw will accelerate wear, as will using the wrong screwdriver, or applying too little pressure and allowing it to cam.
20/30 screws should be nothing in the life of a screwdriver and there should be no notable wear other than the coating coming off.
I believe the metal as well, it doesn't grip as well anymore... slips constantly. Here is another picture...
It is hard to make out a whole lot from your photos, but the tip does not look bad. The fact that you say it slips constantly would lead me to question if you are using the right screwdriver for the job, or if you are working with poor quality screws?
Screwdrivers at the end of the day are a consumable item - ask your electrician how often they replace their most common drivers.
Screwing in/ out screws with the driver at an angle to the screw will accelerate wear, as will using the wrong screwdriver, or applying too little pressure and allowing it to cam.
20/30 screws should be nothing in the life of a screwdriver and there should be no notable wear other than the coating coming off.
ultgar
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I agree...I find a lot of people either misusing the screwdrivers (ie, a #2 when a #3 should be used or phillips drivers with pozidriv screws) or using poor quality screws and then complain that the tool didn't last. There are times I wish all screws were torx drive...but then, many people would still be using PH2 screwdrivers and bits on those as well. SD
y20dth
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have you been using them on philips, or Posidriv screws?
shoturtle
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I did not think about it, but if you put ph on pz it can cam the head with improper fit.
ultgar
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Festool uses a lot of pozidriv screws....the handle on their CT vacuums uses pozidriv #3 and most customers are putting them on with PH2 drivers. They should probably be including the PZ3 bit with the hardware for this handle accessory.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Pz is very common in the US. It's certainly not in Canada, and at least when I emmigrated from there 5yrs ago I had never seen one (Ph on vehicles and Robertson on wood screws etc).
shoturtle
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PZ is showing up more and more actually in the US. Allot of the stuff I ran into at work were PZ before I move to Germany.
Nocturnal-G
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Nope... haven't used the tool improperly, at angles, or on PZ. Perhaps it's just a defect... I do own a Felo T15 driver that I used and it's holding up great, oxide coating is still intact...
I did drive a screw or two into wood with the PH, nothing crazy... and I used the steel cap to remove a few screws with paint in them.
I did drive a screw or two into wood with the PH, nothing crazy... and I used the steel cap to remove a few screws with paint in them.
Toptul 130pcs 1/4 + 3/8 + 1/2 Metric and sae sockets:
Bhae, is it right that I see the metric as "european masculine fruit-skin finish" and the SAE socket as "american glossy" ? Quite odd in a complete set?
Or is it just the light at your photo set up. Very nice set, though.
Bhae, is it right that I see the metric as "european masculine fruit-skin finish" and the SAE socket as "american glossy" ? Quite odd in a complete set?
Or is it just the light at your photo set up. Very nice set, though.
left sae(mirror), right mm (satin)Thanks!
shoturtle
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That actually makes sense, quick ID of the socket type.
jeffmoss26
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It appears that Klein is now selling rebranded NWS pliers.
http://www.kleintools.com/content/klaw™-pump-pliers
http://www.kleintools.com/content/klaw™-pump-pliers
Doesn´t snap-on offer a lifetime warranty.... ?
cool !!!!
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shoturtle
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craftsman are knipex, klein NWS good deal, more options for US consumers.
Bhae, is it right that I see the metric as "european masculine fruit-skin finish" and the SAE socket as "american glossy" ? Quite odd in a complete set?
Or is it just the light at your photo set up. Very nice set, though.
Just to add -if you check the Toptul catalogue, they offer you the option of polished or satin finish with several of their tools.
Or maybe just because they had the two variants in the production line - europeans tend to be fund of satin finish and americans loves all the glossy stuff:
Marketing guy at Toptul: "We have a new idea: A complete set!"
Production manager: "Err..But the metric and the SAE line looks different? We can´t afford a new production line in the factory!"
Marketing guy: "We make it a feature!"
CEO: "Good idea!"
shoturtle
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toptul is not that big in the US, not the most easy brand to find.
Not easy to find anywhere apart from Bhae's shop in Spain it seems. I've heard they don't make it easy to become a distributor though
shoturtle
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that is funny that they just printed blue point on the sleeve and the tool has knipex stamped on it.
shoturtle
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Not easy to find anywhere apart from Bhae's shop in Spain it seems. I've heard they don't make it easy to become a distributor though
A member here was considering being a distributor in TX, but the initial order was huge.
ultgar
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Just got an Facom 18v impact to go along with the Festool 15v and Makita 10v. Battery technology has definitely gotten better over the years. Still need air impacts for big torque applications. Steve D
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That's exactly what I heard elsewhere. It seems really odd -almost like they don't care to try and penetrate any particular market. Apart from what we've seen Bhae post, I've yet to find anybody selling more than a relatively small selection of their tools. It's unfortunate because the quality and value seem to be excellent.
shoturtle
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nice set of power tools, are they lista cabinets they are sitting on?
shoturtle
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It is not to hard to find their tools in Germany. Think they focus mainly in the European market.
Yeah -also surprised me that Snap On are selling them under the "budget" line, when (I think) they sell budget Channel Locks under the Snap On brand?
Not easy to find anywhere apart from Bhae's shop in Spain it seems. I've heard they don't make it easy to become a distributor though
Strange - I can see most of their tools on UK E-bay? Just search Toptul...
Wren Handtools in the US: http://www.wrenhandtools.com/index.html
ES Teknik in Denmark: http://www.es-teknik.com/Pages/Category.aspx?cid=23000&pno=2
But this is in fact really off-topic, is Taiwan old world?
ultgar
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The quality is excellent as is the pricing.....I brought in a few of those 130pc sets back in 2010 and landed cost was under $100. Unfortunately, outside of this forum, there's not a lot of demand for Toptul. I'm following in the footsteps of the early Charlotte NC dealer and Mike Wren by selling off all of my old stock and dropping the line.
Becoming a Toptul distributor is not that costly...they wanted at least $10k as an opening order and figure on adding another 22% to that in cost for shipping & customs. SD
shoturtle
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Strange - I can see most of their tools on UK E-bay? Just search Toptul...
Wren Handtools in the US: http://www.wrenhandtools.com/index.html
ES Teknik in Denmark: http://www.es-teknik.com/Pages/Category.aspx?cid=23000&pno=2
But this is in fact really off-topic, is Taiwan old world?
Actually they are if you consider the UK and Iraland old world. They are all islands of Eurasia.
ultgar
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Yes...these are my oldest Lista cabinets that I bought back in 1996...filled with hardware.
shoturtle
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Very nice. Love the lista cabinets, great storage system.
Strange - I can see most of their tools on UK E-bay? Just search Toptul...
Wren Handtools in the US: http://www.wrenhandtools.com/index.html
ES Teknik in Denmark: http://www.es-teknik.com/Pages/Category.aspx?cid=23000&pno=2
But this is in fact really off-topic, is Taiwan old world?
Usually only a few bits from either Vantage or Blackwell/Redasche -and most of the hits are those LED socket extensions. It does looks like a new player has entered the mix though (nsk-fastener) with a couple offerings, but ignoring the LED lights I get a whopping 13 results on ebay UK (including some used items).
I've contacted Vantage here and they don't seem to want to sell any Toptul that they don't list on their website -which is limited to the more basic items (lots of it, just not much in the way of interesting stuff).
Ok, i didn´t browse e-bay that much...
What i like is that they seem to be a quite serious company, and they show real pictures from their factory on the web. There are facts about technical items, capacities, production volumes and so on. They seek accreditation from TÜV etc. and their tools follow DIN standards (can´t say if thats difficult? Hi-Fi amplifier DIN standards ie. demands 2 x 6 Watts output). If you take the time to read other Taiwan tool sites, like Jonnesway, it´s more a long romantic story of the hardworking founder, left out in the rain when he was in the US to close a deal! I quote from the Jonnesway site: "Customers were price oriented. Quality seemed to the least concern. One time, Mr. Liao flew 22 hours to the U.S.A. to meet with his potential customer. However, the customer did not spare any time for him on Friday afternoon. He had to wait till Monday morning. Walking on the crowded street under the snowy sky of U.S.A., Mr. Liao carried two 50 kg suitcases and could not even get a taxi. His jacket was covered with snow, his shirt was soaked with sweat, and his night was freezing and hungry."
In that sense, i like the more factual style of Toptul ...
I know this is far from the subject, but you´ve got to be amazed about the different styles of story telling and marketing.