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Lofthouse

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That looks really nice, how is it? I have a few Bosch 10.8v tools and love them.
I like it, a bit more powerful than the Dremel
got it for ~100€ vs Dremel 8200 120€ makes the decision easy

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old G-Man saw from Norway.
Nowadays made in Sweden: www.g-mantools.se

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So this is a socket set that my Dad bought maybe 25+ years ago. I don't know anything about it particularly so here's some pics so that maybe someone else can tell me something. :)

It's a Tool Star, Japan, 1/2" socket set, including SAE, mm, and whitworth sockets, all 12pt. The ratchet handle has some slight damage on it as you can see. I've no idea how this came about. I think it's 44/45 tooth.

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So this is a socket set that my Dad bought maybe 25+ years ago. I don't know anything about it particularly so here's some pics so that maybe someone else can tell me something. :)

It's a Tool Star, Japan, 1/2" socket set, including SAE, mm, and whitworth sockets, all 12pt. The ratchet handle has some slight damage on it as you can see. I've no idea how this came about. I think it's 44/45 tooth.


1/2" drive ratchet handle by R1ch85, on Flickr

My guess is that it was made for export by a Japanese company called Flag (no longer in business).
 

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I want to try a bit of electrode welding and while not having any plans of turning pro I am nevertheless on the look-out for some decent welding accessories like welding clamps, right angle clamps.
So far I've looked at Schweisskraft and Bessey offerings, Bessey being on the top of the game and an old world manufacture.
What about Schweisskraft? Are they any good? Are they into local manufacturing; or China re brands? Should I trust them and save some money over Besey?
 
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I want to try a bit of electrode welding and while not having any plans of turning pro I am nevertheless on the look-out for some decent welding accessories like welding clamps, right angle clamps.
So far I've looked at Schweisskraft and Bessey offerings, Bessey being on the top of the game and an old world manufacture.
What about Schweisskraft? Are they any good? Are they into local manufacturing; or China re brands? Should I trust them and save some money over Besey?
Schweisskraft clamps are rebranded strong hand clamps from china.
www.stronghandtools.com
For F-clamps etc. i would check out Bessey and Turnus. Welding magnets are made in England by Eclipse and Serpent Dove in Australia for example: www.eclipsemagnetics.com www.serpent-dove.com.
Swiss made ground clamps/electrode holders are available from "Original Fix" www.raetzer-ag.ch. French made welders gloves are available from www.espuna.com

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Schweisskraft clamps are rebranded strong hand clamps from china.
www.stronghandtools.com
For F-clamps etc. i would check out Bessey and Turnus. Welding magnets are made in England by Eclipse and Serpent Dove in Australia for example: www.eclipsemagnetics.com www.serpent-dove.com.
Swiss made ground clamps/electrode holders are available from "Original Fix" www.raetzer-ag.ch. French made welders gloves are available from www.espuna.com

Thanks Monte, very good advice!
 

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Thanks Monte, very good advice!

One more from me: can you recommend a good welding helmet manufacturer?
I presume manufacturers of welding equipment don't also manufacture their own helmets but are being supplied by a dedicated company (3M comes to mind).
 

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Metabo 10.8v powermaxx bs quick pro. Does anyone know if it's made in Germany or China? It says "Nurtingen, Germany" on the label, but it doesn't say "made in Germany" so I'm not sure!

If it doesn't explicitly say "Made in Germany" then it's China.
 
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Metabo 10.8v powermaxx bs quick pro. Does anyone know if it's made in Germany or China? It says "Nurtingen, Germany" on the label, but it doesn't say "made in Germany" so I'm not sure!
nice tool ! I really like it ! Compact size, removeable chuck etc...
It´s made in China by Metabo. But it seems it´s a good tool otherwise Mafell wouldn´t slap their name on the tool :)

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One more from me: can you recommend a good welding helmet manufacturer?
I presume manufacturers of welding equipment don't also manufacture their own helmets but are being supplied by a dedicated company (3M comes to mind).
Speedglas (3M) or Optrel.

www.optrel.com (swiss made)
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/Speedglas/WeldingShields/ (made in Sweden (?))

I have a Speedglas 9002x and i´m very happy with it.















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Thanks guys, bit of a shame but I expected it to be made in China. They hid the COO very well!

it's a very good drill nevertheless. I have a milwaukee fuel 12v drill and it's huge in comparison, with only a few nm difference in torque. It also feels half the weight! :thumbup:

That mafell has prettier colours than the metabo too!
 
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Thanks guys, bit of a shame but I expected it to be made in China. They hid the COO very well!

it's a very good drill nevertheless. I have a milwaukee fuel 12v drill and it's huge in comparison, with only a few nm difference in torque. It also feels half the weight! :thumbup:

That mafell has prettier colours than the metabo too!
The retail price already says "Made in China" :)
Only the Festool CXS and TXS are made in Germany.
Yes the Mafell looks pretty :thumbup:
















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Long time since my last posting here...my garage is cold, and i´ve got no way to heat it. So not so many new, NOS or old tools from the old world. All the local fleamarkets closed for season too...:dunno: I have really enjoyed all your tools here.

But this came from ebay (uk): NOS Fisco carpenters angle made in UK.
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Fisco is a part of Hultafors now, i can´t find anything similar in their catalogue. Anybody knows, if Fisco still makes them?

Everyone seems to claim the garage, when the weather is cold and damp, so it gets a bit crowded...******....it´s my playground, not a storage room...

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Old, big tool, haven´t showed you before...Esab Smashweld 250 A Mig/Mag.
20 years old, but works just fine. 250A/35% and 160A/100% - much more than I´ll ever need. PSD 250 Swanneck gun. Made in Sweden.

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Too cold and crowdy in the garage, but my wife had an idea. She bought 4 windows at a larger second-hand shop, and wanted to replace a door between our stairroom and a livingroom with the 4 windows. (Our house is from 1928 and has (too many) doors, but is quite dark inside because most windows are to the north-side. :lol: That´s due to old building habbits, the livingrooms to the street-side, and the less "posh" rooms (kitchen etc.) to the garden-side. Let me just excuse that pictures aren´t up to my standard, mobile photos due to i lost the camera-charger :lol: So, door out...

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The old windows (bought from Genbyg, Copenhagen http://www.genbyg.dk

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Masons tools in use...old bricks too...Tools from Sprehn and Eskimo (both Denmark)
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A step back: Due to the former door opening, a height difference had to be leveled out. So, i welded a "T-beam" (4 mm steel). Laying bricks and welding, building is fun ...

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Some week later, the hole was made, and a HEB 100 steel beam (jib) was up to support the opening. For fire protection, i´ve packed the steel in rockwool and chickenwire. Then applayed some tile-adhesive, to ease the later plaster-work.

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Finishing the opening...making it some kind of rectangular...Bessey clamps (made in Germany). Old "Fino" mahogny level, made in Denmark. But can´t stand all evening just watching the old tools...Out in the cold to blend some mortar...:(

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The upper side was the most difficult - if any of you are masons by trade, you´ll probably smile - but hey - i´m a book designer with sloppy arms...:lol:

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(Old world tools: Stabila TRK Aluminium straight edges)

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(Old world dog: "Valde", our garagedog, a swedish-born Newfie-mix takes a nap...demotivating...:wtf: Old world radio: Grundig Music-boy 1000)

A friend of mine suggested me to make a steel tube frame for the 4 windows. I used 20 x 40 mm (1,5 mm wall). The wooden frame windows was screwed in from top/bottom. In the picture one of the mounting holes is visible. I drilled 5 mm through both walls, then the outer hole up to 14 mm, giving me space for the Torx-bit. You´ll get the idea. Esab Smash...used.

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It did fit just fine...

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I know that a steel frame would normally be a cold bridge - but this is between two rooms indoor.

Most surpricing to me, the frame didn´t seem ridgid enough, it would flex some 4-5 mm. at the center (it was only screwed into the brick wall at the sides) so some kind of center-fixing was needed. At the bottom i could simply drill/nylon-plug/screw into the bricks, but at the top, all i had was 12 mm. plaster and a 100 mm steel jib underneath. No way to screw into that...i don´t own a magnetic drill.

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Ok, we´re welding the stuff...:thumbup:

After some more plaster-work ... job done! What´s left is just polishing and painting.

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Maybe a bit off topic - but many tools from the old world was used...
 
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@Roverbo: Thanks for the tutorial ! :) Show some pics when its finished ! Looks good so far :thumbup:
btw. nice Garage ! I have a sticker on the door of my room which goes like this: "Only the small mind keeps everything organized, the genius can overview the chaos" ;)
 

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I still see plenty of Fisco squares in builders merchants or hardware stores, I haven't looked to see the coo on them though, I actually use the American Empire ones myself.
 
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@Roverbo: Thanks for the tutorial ! :) Show some pics when its finished ! Looks good so far :thumbup:
btw. nice Garage ! I have a sticker on the door of my room which goes like this: "Only the small mind keeps everything organized, the genius can overview the chaos" ;)

You´re welcome, Monte. Just added a picture above of the near finished project. Subject right now is to find 2 meters of the right type foot panel (profiled wood). I think they used at least 10 types of wooden panels, when they build this house. No standards back in 1928 :dunno:. Another project this winter was the back end of my old Range Rover: Rust in frame, car body and tank. Started in end of october, wasn´t finished before end of november...stupid time of the year to do such a job, especially since the car can´t get into the garage! But in the summer, not enough time, since the family wants to visit friends and go on vacation, weekends etc. :p More pictures to come soon, including old world tools, and quite old car.
 

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I still see plenty of Fisco squares in builders merchants or hardware stores, I haven't looked to see the coo on them though, I actually use the American Empire ones myself.

The seller had "Made in the UK" as a promise, but not stated anywhere on the carton. From the degree of grease absorbed by the back of the paperbacking, i think it could be NOS some years old.:dunno: The stainless steel ruler has no COO stamped, but has both metric and imperial measures. The body is cast iron with brass fittings. Very nice tool. Wasn´t cheap, 19£.
Hultafors makes nice tools too. What I don´t like about them, is the dodgy COO. Seems odd that their knives are made "from finest japanese steel" when they have swedish steel right in their backyard. But maybe shorter transport from Japan to China....:wtf:
 

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Yes Hultafors makes some very nice tools, but you can never find coo for them anywhere, which means they don't want us to know, plus they are expensive, I have a few of their tools.
 

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Long time since my last posting here...my garage is cold, and i´ve got no way to heat it. So not so many new, NOS or old tools from the old world. All the local fleamarkets closed for season too...:dunno: I have really enjoyed all your tools here.

But this came from ebay (uk): NOS Fisco carpenters angle made in UK.
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Fisco is a part of Hultafors now, i can´t find anything similar in their catalogue. Anybody knows, if Fisco still makes them?

The carpenters angle is usually referred to in the North America as a Combination Square.

If Fisco is the same as the British Fisher branded rules and squares, then Fisco/Hultafors still sells them. The reviews I've read of the current versions don't sound very good. Fine woodworking reviewed one at one point.

http://www.finewoodworking.com/tool-guide/product-finder/fisher-combination-square-model-285.aspx

The quote that summed their opinion up was "The Fisher was utterly deficient".

The best currently available ones are probably the forged steel ones made by Starrett. If you want a UK made one Moore and Wright makes a couple different types. One type, the MW, is very similar to the Starrett versions and the square you have, the other "better" type is the MWC***, version. Neither is really inexpensive. The price on the MW version is low enough that I doubt it's made in the UK.

http://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/Moore---Wright-Universal-Bevel-Protractor-MW52001.html

https://www.cromwell.co.uk/M&W3421695E
 

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@Roverbo: Thanks for the tutorial ! :) Show some pics when its finished ! Looks good so far :thumbup:
btw. nice Garage ! I have a sticker on the door of my room which goes like this: "Only the small mind keeps everything organized, the genius can overview the chaos" ;)

****, i must have the smallest mind on earth.....:lol_hitti
 
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You´re welcome, Monte. Just added a picture above of the near finished project. Subject right now is to find 2 meters of the right type foot panel (profiled wood). I think they used at least 10 types of wooden panels, when they build this house. No standards back in 1928 :dunno:. Another project this winter was the back end of my old Range Rover: Rust in frame, car body and tank. Started in end of october, wasn´t finished before end of november...stupid time of the year to do such a job, especially since the car can´t get into the garage! But in the summer, not enough time, since the family wants to visit friends and go on vacation, weekends etc. :p More pictures to come soon, including old world tools, and quite old car.
The result looks very nice !!! Congratulations ! :beer: Maybe you can copy the foot panels with a router ?? Some Range Rover pics would be cool !! :drool:

Facom punch sets
nice sets :drool:

NICE! I was just researching that plastic/aluminum punch set last night. Looks like a company called T&E Tools either makes it, or copies it.

Let us know your first impressions and how it fairs. :beer:

The T&E is about 1/2 the price, so maybe knock off...http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004KMHJNU/?tag=atomicindus08-20
ze Germans make a set too:
https://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/metalworking-tools/286-mechanic-s-metalworking-set

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The carpenters angle is usually referred to in the North America as a Combination Square.

If Fisco is the same as the British Fisher branded rules and squares, then Fisco/Hultafors still sells them. The reviews I've read of the current versions don't sound very good. Fine woodworking reviewed one at one point.

http://www.finewoodworking.com/tool-guide/product-finder/fisher-combination-square-model-285.aspx

The quote that summed their opinion up was "The Fisher was utterly deficient".

The best currently available ones are probably the forged steel ones made by Starrett. If you want a UK made one Moore and Wright makes a couple different types. One type, the MW, is very similar to the Starrett versions and the square you have, the other "better" type is the MWC***, version. Neither is really inexpensive. The price on the MW version is low enough that I doubt it's made in the UK.

http://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/Moore---Wright-Universal-Bevel-Protractor-MW52001.html

https://www.cromwell.co.uk/M&W3421695E

Yes, my fault not using the correct name, combination square. I took a glance on the Fischer square, but they doesn´t look the same. I took another glance at the Fisco website, and measuring tapes seems to be the only branch left. It´s hard to make a real test, since I don´t have access to reference square blocks. But using my (english...hmmm...) Stanley square, it looks OK. It´s within 0,5 mm off at 200 mm. I tend to use this for metalwork, marking sheet steel, angle steel and tubes. Draw a cutting line with soapstone or a Sharpie.

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The Fisco seems OK, but it´s not like german precision...the threading is coarse, and the finish is "english" ... you can see the pitting in the cast base:

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The steel ruler is the best part, it´s quite stiff, and the engraved markings are of high quality. It´s solid stainless steel, no flacking chrome. Maybe the part-number can be a hint to something?

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The base is 20 mm wide - i would like it wider, like the US made Lagesse LaSquare (50 mm) but haven´t traced a dealer near me yet. Buying tools from the US to Denmark means >$20 in freight + DKK 200,- in Customs fee ($40) and then the fun really stops for me. :sad:

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The threaded hole is off center...

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Thickness of the ruler: 2,0 mm

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I have only read nice things about Starrett, so that could be my next choice. Thanks for the links. Starrett is also available through RS Components, who operates here in Denmark too.
 

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Very nice! :thumbup:

The retail price already says "Made in China" :)
Only the Festool CXS and TXS are made in Germany.
Yes the Mafell looks pretty :thumbup:

That's true, german quality comes at a price!

Does anyone know if/where I can get a replacement handle for my stahlwille socket set case (No 45ma/28/5)? I've contacted stahlwille australia and germany with no reply. :dunno:
 

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I get those type of screwdrivers from the local army surplus, dirt cheap. Only downside: they also smell of dirt (with some ***** matter mixed into)
 
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Does anyone know if/where I can get a replacement handle for my stahlwille socket set case (No 45ma/28/5)? I've contacted stahlwille australia and germany with no reply. :dunno:
did you try to call them ...?

Found this Sandvik-Belzer 1" wrench set. Had to buy it :drool:
Weighs about 30 kilo's.
sweet !:pimpflash
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Some storage boxes for the workshop...:
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...Obi...

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...and OKT:

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