Tools from the old world

[Tooling Around]

Has anyone tried one of these Felo socket sets? Are the ratchets and sockets very strong?

 

[HCNDM]

HNCDM - I've found the best way to get a secondhand Snap On box is from my Snap On dealer! They seem to get a lot of boxes traded in as guys upsize, and sometimes repossessions.

My own box was the latter - half retail price, still on the pallet, and still covered in plastic. Dealer usually has at least 6 used boxes at any one time, but you need to arrange to vist him at his base as he obviously can't keep 'em all on the truck!

Facom Jet boxes appear quite often on special deals from Facom - worth finding a dealer and finding out what's being discounted. The deals usually last a year!

that doesn't apply in NL, I bet I can buy a brand new facom trolley (WITH TOOLS !!!) for half the price of a slightly larger SO one

I would like a better box as mentioned but in no hurry. Any of the Better European brands will do or snap-on.

I need to save a bit... and if one pops up second hand I'll ****** it up. In the luxury position of having time

 

[Superbec]

Has anyone tried one of these Felo socket sets? Are the ratchets and sockets very strong?

why gamble? go wera , never look back

 

[decaf]

why gamble? go wera , never look back

AMEN to that!!

 

[HCNDM]

AMEN to that!!

Or Facom found heads or stahlwille each has their plusses.

 

[losvre]

You can find the cabinets at Hornbach, this is the biggest, 200E + the hooks 30-40E, the only bad thing about it is the provided mounting hardware... I think it's really impossible to mount it properly using original hardware.

It will save a lot of space even with the not so deep cabinets

What is the original brand of the cabinet at Hornbach? I am visiting Netherlands and Germany in a while[emoji6]

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[Monte]

Ahhh, icic. Or maybe make your own bullet style toolbox

for example The cone shaped ends will be difficult to form though...So my toolbox will be just round with flat ends

I got lucky at a car-boot sale and bought this for €15/$17.

It needs some cleaning, but it works o.k.

awesome price !!!

Back to tool boxes. I still want one. Preferably a hazet - snapon - facom - in no particular order. 26 inches plus minus. Other contenders beta - gedore - any good brand.

This would be a good start
http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/doe-het...285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr

or how about ?
http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/auto-di...85449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr#

if you want Snap-On this would be a start:
http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/auto-di...285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr

Some Padre NWS Pliers:

nice haul !

What is the original brand of the cabinet at Hornbach? I am visiting Netherlands and Germany in a while[emoji6]

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i think www.fr-kuepper-gmbh.de















Lessmann wire wheel

 

[losvre]

Thanks Monte

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[Blöckw@rt]

My new Stanley Tool bag....i saw in another thread....I'am impressed and 100% satisfied !

 

[Superbec]

What is the original brand of the cabinet at Hornbach? I am visiting Netherlands and Germany in a while[emoji6]

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kupper ? if that's the original manufacturer I have no idea

http://www.hornbach.nl/shop/Werkplaatsinrichting/S9205/artikeloverzicht.html

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Back to tool boxes. I still want one. Preferably a hazet - snapon - facom - in no particular order. 26 inches plus minus. Other contenders beta - gedore - any good brand.

Have you looked on eBay UK? We have loads here, and a lot go for pretty decent money. I bought a near-new 26" Snap-on KRA, top and bottom for £500.

I'm driving into France/Spain/Netherlands some time in the coming months so could possibly bring one over, or bring it into France.

on of the nice things about marktplaats is being able to save searches. It sends you an email once a day for all new results. Meaning if you have patience something will come up.

I'll have to try that. I only found my stuff by chance, i searched a discontinued Hazet part number for something i wanted and a Marktplaats listing came up, and the guy turned out to have a lot of discontinued Hazet items i wanted.

 

[losvre]

Something different than German tools

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[Laro13]

My new Stanley Tool bag....i saw in another thread....I'am impressed and 100% satisfied !

Nice bag.

 

[Laro13]

Have you looked on eBay UK? We have loads here, and a lot go for pretty decent money. I bought a near-new 26" Snap-on KRA, top and bottom for £500.

A lot of UK sellers only do pickup+cash. Some weeks ago I got lucky and finally found a vintage Snap-on topbox, for on my vintage(rusty) KRA379.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201202
It took me only 3 years to find one.





cheers, Jasper

 

[losvre]

kupper ? if that's the original manufacturer I have no idea

Thanks Superbec

 

[dam427]

A lot of UK sellers only do pickup+cash. Some weeks ago I got lucky and finally found a vintage Snap-on topbox, for on my vintage(rusty) KRA379.


cheers, Jasper

Nice Find, man.

 

[dam427]

I only have a couple of BSW tools made on this side of the pond

The first and second pic is a 1/4 and 5/16 BSW box wrench from 1950. It took me a quite a while to figure out that it wasn't a misprint (not the quickest of cats at the best of times). Got a SAE 5/16" to compare the size difference.

3rd pic is an entire BSW set of 3/8" drive Gray sockets (Made in Canada)

Last pic is my entire collection of German Combo Wrenches. 3 Belzer and a Hazet 600 Series in SAE? Is that strange to anyone else?

 

[losvre]

Very nice stuff!!!

Have a good day

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[HCNDM]

Have you looked on eBay UK? We have loads here, and a lot go for pretty decent money. I bought a near-new 26" Snap-on KRA, top and bottom for £500.

I'm driving into France/Spain/Netherlands some time in the coming months so could possibly bring one over, or bring it into France.



I'll have to try that. I only found my stuff by chance, i searched a discontinued Hazet part number for something i wanted and a Marktplaats listing came up, and the guy turned out to have a lot of discontinued Hazet items i wanted.

Thanks moose! Not sure I am there yet. Like I said the shed / shop needs a new floor walls and ceiling. Before I can redo the benches and seriously consider more big tool buys like a box. In the current setup I have too much moisture and no space.

With all the other things the SWMBO wants done to the house that might only happen next year this time as money comes available. Well have to see what the downstairs renovation + painting house + backyard does to the savings.

I have an additional problem the current shed roof is asbestos (makes removal a little trickier) and also shared with the neighbors. Meaning I have to get them onboard for the demo and rebuild of their end of the shed / shop. Legislation with regards to anything asbestos is a nightmare and if I demo my side they will pretty much be forced to do theirs at the same time.

Current guideline with regards to asbestos is all residential properties must remove and replace with non asbestos product by 2024 or risk being fined, and forced to take down the roof.

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/asbest/inhoud/verbod-op-asbestdaken

Good news... we get subsidized to do the removal.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Thanks moose! Not sure I am there yet. Like I said the shed / shop needs a new floor walls and ceiling. Before I can redo the benches and seriously consider more big tool buys like a box. In the current setup I have too much moisture and no space.

Well if/when you find one you want let me know. I can arrange to collect it and store it in my storage unit, then when i drive into Europe i can meet you somewhere or deliver it. (As long as it fits in my car, since i'm selling my van!)

 

[HCNDM]

Well if/when you find one you want let me know. I can arrange to collect it and store it in my storage unit, then when i drive into Europe i can meet you somewhere or deliver it. (As long as it fits in my car, since i'm selling my van!)

either way I have cold beer if you make it to Holland!

 

[R. Deschain]

Thanks for sharing....those are amazing! ...heirloom tools?

Some of them are, but not as many as I once had. Many of the ones pictured were picked up after my shop was broken into a few years ago. They will become heirloom tools after I am gone though. I have been using hand planes with my son for a few years. I am sure he will fall for the table saw and router when he is of age, but my hope is that he returns to the molding planes and carving chisels eventually.

 

[losvre]

Anyone knows the coo

Not important for what it is used for though

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[Tellingthem]

Need a little help id'ing a screwdriver. I've been googling this for a few hours now and still haven't found anything. I picked it up at a second hand store so no packaging at all. It's a stubby (pozi I believe) marked B426-2Y Made in England. I'm sure it's probably something common but for the life of me I can't find anything on it. Thanks!

 

[superautobacs]

Some of them are, but not as many as I once had. Many of the ones pictured were picked up after my shop was broken into a few years ago. They will become heirloom tools after I am gone though. I have been using hand planes with my son for a few years. I am sure he will fall for the table saw and router when he is of age, but my hope is that he returns to the molding planes and carving chisels eventually.

As a beginning bobbyist woodworker, I find myself on the fence....I have the appreciation for both, the old-school methods using "primitive" hand tools and for the 21st century way of using "precision" machine tools. I trying to find a happy medium.

I think as long as your son appreciates and enjoys making something using his very own hands, whether it be from old heirloom tools or from modern machinery, it makes him stand out. There's a great population amonst the younger generation today that doesn't have the knack nor the interest to do so.

Need a little help id'ing a screwdriver. I've been googling this for a few hours now and still haven't found anything. I picked it up at a second hand store so no packaging at all. It's a stubby (pozi I believe) marked B426-2Y Made in England. I'm sure it's probably something common but for the life of me I can't find anything on it. Thanks!

Just a wild guess. ...maybe a Stanley?

 

[Brunel]

Need a little help id'ing a screwdriver. I've been googling this for a few hours now and still haven't found anything. I picked it up at a second hand store so no packaging at all. It's a stubby (pozi I believe) marked B426-2Y Made in England. I'm sure it's probably something common but for the life of me I can't find anything on it. Thanks!

I'm sure it's a Spiralux, a Sheffield-based company that I think became part of the Neill Tools group which was then bought by Spear and Jackson. I'm pretty sure I've seen older Spiralux screwdrivers with yellow transparent handles like yours.

EDIT: I wasn't quite right there. Neill Tools bought Spear and Jackson in 1985, but in 1995 they changed their name to Spear and Jackson. See http://www.spear-and-jackson.com/about-us There is also some interesting history at http://www.thestar.co.uk/retro/retr...that-went-from-strength-to-strength-1-6974160 . Info on Spiralux is scarce but this page says they were bought by Spear and Jackson: http://www.woodcentral.com/woodwork...ls.pl/bid/3104/md/read/id/30098/sbj/spiralux/ . There's also evidence of a Sheffield company called Mastercraft Tools (not to be confused with foreign companies of the same name) which may been the original owners of the Spiralux name

The giveaway is the six flute handle with alternate flutes having fine ribbing.

They are currently sold as Spear and Jackson but they don't list a PZ2 chubby any more:

http://www.spear-and-jackson.com/product/pozidriv-supadriv®/pozidriv-supadriv®-0

The interesting thing is that RS Components, a large and well-known UK distributor with an electronics background, has sold its own brand tools for years. Their standard screwdrivers have been this particular style since the 1980s, if not earlier, with the handle always in red (corporate colour scheme). Generations of people know these as RS screwdrivers, and a PZ2 chubby is currently in their range:

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/screwdrivers/0545418/

(click the datasheet link for a PDF with a large photo)

I have some of these drivers, and also Spiralux nut spinners with the same style of handle. I'll try to post some photos later.

I'm not an expert but it's possible yours dates from the 1970s or early 1980s. I know that by the mid-1980s Spiralux used black handles for screwdrivers sold under their name, so a yellow handle will predate that. I'm not aware of them making screwdrivers for anyone other than RS since the mid-1980s. I can't see it being less that 30 years old, more likely 35-40.

I would regard Spiralux as top-quality and yours looks unused. It's a nice piece of British tool history.

Is this sort of historical information of interest to people here? Or am just being a tool geek...

 

[Van Steele]

You are being an utter tool geek here mate.





Just how we like it.

Great info! Keep up the good work.

 

[Tellingthem]

I'm sure it's a Spiralux, a Sheffield-based company that I think became part of the Neill Tools group which was then bought by Spear and Jackson. I'm pretty sure I've seen older Spiralux screwdrivers with yellow transparent handles like yours.

I have some of these drivers, and also Spiralux nut spinners with the same style of handle. I'll try to post some photos later.

I'm not an expert but it's possible yours dates from the 1970s or early 1980s. I know that by the mid-1980s Spiralux used black handles for screwdrivers sold under their name, so a yellow handle will predate that. I'm not aware of them making screwdrivers for anyone other than RS since the mid-1980s. I can't see it being less that 30 years old, more likely 35-40.

I would regard Spiralux as top-quality and yours looks unused. It's a nice piece of British tool history.

Is this sort of historical information of interest to people here? Or am just being a tool geek...

Thanks! And yes the information is always welcomed. Always interesting to read about a tool or tool companies history.

 

[Brunel]

Thanks! And yes the information is always welcomed. Always interesting to read about a tool or tool companies history.

Glad to have helped.

Here are my RS-branded Spiralux screwdrivers. These are probably fairly late examples, and I suspect they were made after manufacturing moved to Asia. I think earlier ones have a duller finish on the handles and don't have the black tips.

If it's not clear from the pics, there's 3mm and 5mm parallel, 6mm and 8mm flared, and 0/1/2 points in PH and PZ.

The similar styling to yours should be obvious.

 

[Milwookie]

In your signature, I think the word you're looking for is "shrieks."

 

[Brunel]

And here are my nut spinners, labelled Eclipse (a very famous brand name, with an excellent reputation among those old enough to remember, part of Neill Tools). Sizes are 5.5, 6, 7, 8, 10mm, and 5/16 WW. The latter is for nuts on potentiometers and is deep to accommodate a long shaft. Unfortunately most of these nuts are now metric so the tool isn't much use.

The handles are a dark blue colour but again you can see the style is the same as before. The design of the socket end with the two knurled bands is a Spiralux distinctive, although very old examples are different.

I think I bought these 20-25 years ago!

 

[north]

Nice tools and history lessons Brunel.

 

[Tellingthem]

Thanks again Brunel! Interesting stuff!

In your signature, I think the word you're looking for is "shrieks."

Thanks just corrected it. I had copied and pasted it from a website and never really looked at it.

 

[Dave455]

Need a little help id'ing a screwdriver. I've been googling this for a few hours now and still haven't found anything. I picked it up at a second hand store so no packaging at all. It's a stubby (pozi I believe) marked B426-2Y Made in England. I'm sure it's probably something common but for the life of me I can't find anything on it. Thanks!

Well guys, I'll add my two pence worth as wel!!

Brunel is dead on about the fluted pattern with the ribs on alternate flutes!

This is a very distinctive pattern, but as far as I can find it originated with Stanley in the U.S. I have a couple of drivers of my Grandfathers that I believe were purchased in the 1950's and were the first to use this pattern. I think they were the first mass produced drivers to feature cellulose acetate handles (two tone green and black).

The pattern was then used extensively by Stanley in the U.K. throughout the 60's and 70's. The handles were originally all clear, slotted and Phillips having red highlights and Pozidriv having blue (late 80's tools reverted to original green/black) so I can see why it might be mistaken for a Stanley, but the colour suggests otherwise, unless it was a short run!

Since then the pattern has been used by a whole lot of other firms. How many I wouldn't like to say, but include all those already mentioned! Spiralux is a good bet!

I suspect that there are at least 2 firms making these still. Aside from the Neill group, a former colleague of mine once told me he saw loads of tools in this pattern being produced in a Birminghsm factory for export to the U.S. They were decent quality and destined for the gunsmithing industry!

Sorry this hasn't helped the OP much! The quest continues!

 

[losvre]

How many uses a torque wrench have? pick a part of it and imagine

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[Superbec]

How many uses a torque wrench have? pick a part of it and imagine

silencer?....

 

[losvre]

That was a Sealey rated to 127 Nm RRP £75 bought it for £40 on sale. It never felt good on the hand I was wondering if it was actually calibrated.

So I tested and I admit that I may exceeded the rating by 10 or so Nm

 

[Superbec]

That was a Sealey rated to 127 Nm RRP £75 bought it for £40 on sale. It never felt good on the hand I was wondering if it was actually calibrated.

So I tested and I admit that I may exceeded the rating by 10 or so Nm

sealey...

I threw away a drapper last week when I felt something was wrong torquing a hayabusa's spark plugs

I'll dig it up , see what's inside

 

[losvre]

sealey...

I threw away a drapper last week when I felt something was wrong torquing a hayabusa's spark plugs

I'll dig it up , see what's inside

Haha, Sealey, Drapper, you name it... all the same ***.

Ok to play with bit if you depend to service cars or certain equipment better get something decent.

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[dutchgray]

Haha, Sealey, Drapper, you name it... all the same ***.

Ok to play with bit if you depend to service cars or certain equipment better get something decent.

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Especially when you can pick up new Norbar torque wrenches for not a whole lot more money