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Monte said:
in the meantime i used it 10 times and it works like a charm :)

Here is a how to video:


really ?? Maybe the handle is made here and the file there or vice versa :) Or sometimes they buy the file in Germany and sometimes in Poland...? :) Or it´s NOS and made around 1940 or so... 😁 :oops:🤪:rolleyes::censored:






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Thanks Monte for providing the video of the brake caliper file. I didn’t know it existed besides a wire brush.
 
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Can't fault you for that. It took me quite a while to memorize the name of the Italian OEM of those Hakkos. A flush cutter is the only thing I have. Their other pliers aren't that impressive.
 
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dukefx said:
Can't fault you for that. It took me quite a while to memorize the name of the Italian OEM of those Hakkos. A flush cutter is the only thing I have. Their other pliers aren't that impressive.
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Are they same company as C.H.P. Hand Tools?
 
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dukefx said:
I don't think they are. Hakko seems to have started out as a company manufacturing soldering equipment and they also import various tools from Piergiacomi. If you see made in Italy it's almost certain to be from them.

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My pair is marked C.H.P. Hand Tools. The do have website. All the product links go to Amazon or Hakko for purchase. Hakko purchased them.
 
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I thought you meant CHP/Hakko being the same as Piergiacomi. My reply was regarding that, I don't think they are anything more than business partners as Piergiacomi is an OEM for a lot of brands. As for CHP, yes, the company is owned by Hakko.
 
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CGarage said:
I have two Steinel heat guns and like them very much.

I would not pay the Snap-On premium for one in SnapOn livery, however.
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I have the Steinel HL1620S. Very happy with it, and it was an impulse buy at the Obi at some point for about ~25€. Looks very simple and professional (those old style hard plastic German style tools with no soft rubber on it) and does 1600W. They're 44€ at Obi today.

The Snap On looks very similar. Except their 1300W is 130$ and the 1600W comes with an LCD and is sold for 487$?!? Closest Steinel equivelant with the LCD seems to be the HL2020E which is around 110€ while the much more powerful 2300W HG2320E is 127€. Though I guess the Snap On is wired differently for 120V power and you probably can't expect to pull more than ~1600W out of a normal wall outlet in a 120V system?
 
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F-22 said:
I have the Steinel HL1620S. Very happy with it, and it was an impulse buy at the Obi at some point for about ~25€. Looks very simple and professional (those old style hard plastic German style tools with no soft rubber on it) and does 1600W. They're 44€ at Obi today.

The Snap On looks very similar. Except their 1300W is 130$ and the 1600W comes with an LCD and is sold for 487$?!? Closest Steinel equivelant with the LCD seems to be the HL2020E which is around 110€ while the much more powerful 2300W HG2320E is 127€. Though I guess the Snap On is wired differently for 120V power and you probably can't expect to pull more than ~1600W out of a normal wall outlet in a 120V system?
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Steinel has made heat guns fir the US market and electrical grid for decades.
I have a Milwaukee branded digital heat gun made by Steinel that is probably 20 years old nowadays, and Steinel was making heat guns for the US market at least a decade or two before that.
The US 120v sockets in new construction are usually 20 amps rated nowadays, which would work out to 2,400 watts.
Older sockets were 15 amps rated, which would be 1,800 watts, and that is what most power tool manufacturers usually expect and work to.
Some really old sockets are spec’d at 10 amps.

You can purchase a Steinel Digital heat gun in the US for about $200 to $400 depending on the model, and the extras included.
Steinel has a line of “Industrial” heat gungs, that can easily cost $1,000 or more, although I have no clue what the difference in build quality is.
 
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neophyte said:
Steinel has made heat guns fir the US market and electrical grid for decades.
I have a Milwaukee branded digital heat gun made by Steinel that is probably 20 years old nowadays, and Steinel was making heat guns for the US market at least a decade or two before that.
The US 120v sockets in new construction are usually 20 amps rated nowadays, which would work out to 2,400 watts.
Older sockets were 15 amps rated, which would be 1,800 watts, and that is what most power tool manufacturers usually expect and work to.
Some really old sockets are spec’d at 10 amps.

You can purchase a Steinel Digital heat gun in the US for about $200 to $400 depending on the model, and the extras included.
Steinel has a line of “Industrial” heat gungs, that can easily cost $1,000 or more, although I have no clue what the difference in build quality is.
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Interesting to think how such limits historically limited the development of power tools. The US undoubtedly produced a lot of groundbreaking designs and patents for tools through the last two centuries.
 
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CGarage said:
You are paying Snap-On dearly for the warranty, up front.
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Well, it seems they only offer a two year warranty with it so I wouldn't say the extra cost adds up in this case at all... Steinel probably offers at least a 1 year warranty (I think that's the legal requirement in some countries).
 
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F-22 said:
Interesting to think how such limits historically limited the development of power tools. The US undoubtedly produced a lot of groundbreaking designs and patents for tools through the last two centuries.
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True.
Unfortunately, it also means it’s harder to rin certain tools from European brands like Mafell.

I always figured one of the reasons some of the Japanese power tools were durable, was because they use 100v and 200v power systems in different parts of the country, which would necessarily require higher amperage for the same power level as 120v and 230v systems.
The power tool motors seem to routinely be the same motors the companies sell overseas, just with the rpm adjusted on the labels, presumably meaning the motors are designed to run on 100v-125v power supplies, or 200v-240v power supplies.
 
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dukefx said:
Hornbach has probably the most German stuff. Most tool stores have little to nothing of the good stuff and stock mostly imported tools. You could also try Obi, a lot of their in-house brand (Lux) tools come from some of the better German manufacturers like Felo for example. The smaller specialty shops usually have close to nothing on stock. That's all I can think of but I'd still suggest just ordering online unless you're the kind of guy who likes to shop aimlessly.
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You think this West German tool was manufactured by Felo?
 

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Highly doubt it. Hammermühle was East German (no idea what they produced back then other than "forged tools"), and when they moved to Neustadt and renamed themselves to Felo they only produced screwdrivers and bits as far as I know. I've seen a tiny image that claims to be a vintage Felo tool set where you can see other tools, but it's so tiny I can't verify anything.

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dukefx said:
Highly doubt it. Hammermühle was East German (no idea what they produced back then other than "forged tools"), and when they moved to Neustadt and renamed themselves to Felo they only produced screwdrivers and bits as far as I know. I've seen a tiny image that claims to be a vintage Felo tool set where you can see other tools, but it's so tiny I can't verify anything.

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Thank you kindly for the response. Good info!
 
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Just got these from mail.

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I think that is Peddinghaus logo. Only clearly visible is W. Germany.
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Also included was this. Looks to be Belzer. Did they make this type of a hammer?
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Edit: First I thought the Belzer hammer had marking 3781, but after little cleaning I thought it was 3701...1726230615149.jpeg

But I found an old katalog which says it's 3761 and now I can now I can't unsee the correct number in the hammer.
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Has anyone here compared a Gedore or Elora round head ratchet to the Facom/USAG/Proto models?

It looks like they all use a similar heart spring and sliding block pawl with 72 tooth count, but I don't know if there is much difference in feel/operation besides the handle shape.

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Reversible ratchet 1/4" 129 mm

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